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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:07 am

This is an idea that I mentioned in the Writers’ Block a while back, but which was set aside while I worked on a couple of others. It’s based on a situation that occurred in RL: ‘Gambling ships’ of this type operated offshore from parts of the USA in the years before WW2, before the rise of legal casino gambling at places like Las Vegas and Atlantic City. Admittedly the territorial limit has been extended since then in RL, and it’s likely that many NS nations use the modern 12-mile limit (or even 24 miles, as a GA resolution allows) rather than the older 3-mile line, but I think that the concept is still valid.
The fixed name that I’m currently using for the second speaker comes from the 1960s ‘Batman’ movie: I included this on a whim, and wouldn’t object to changing it if people feel strongly on the matter. Yes, the speaker in the fourth option is a version of the Joker: The original version of him in the comics briefly operated a gambling ship near Gotham City version back in the early 1940s, so he seemed an obvious person to use in this role here… and, as you might recognize, that option’s effect line is a ‘Casablanca’ reference.
^_^

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Casino Ahoy!

[issue]Certain 'entrepeneurs' have found a way around @@NAME@@′s ban on gambling: They have built a casino aboard a ship, and keep this just outside of your territorial waters (apart from brief resupply runs to foreign ports) while using fast boats to ferry their clientele to and fro.
[validity]Gambling is banned; nation has Police; leaving the nation is legal; Capitalism… and maybe also — to ensure that there are enough potential customers for this enterprise to work — some combination of high Wealthy Income, high Income Inequality, and/or low Taxation?

[option]"It's a disgrace!" exclaims @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ Joyless, your Anti-Gambling Tsar'. "@@DEMONYMPPLURAL@@ mustn't be allowed to do things outside this country that they couldn't legally do within it. Change the law so that people need an official permit even to take boat-trips past the territorial limit, and so that any @@DEMONYM@@ who does do something illegal while they are elsewhere can be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly, when they come back home afterwards."
[validity]unrestricted (If the nation previously lacked Courts then this would reinstate them)
[effect]offshore fishermen and recreational sailors hug the coast closely for fear of arrest

[option]"That's bit much, though," grumbles Commodore Schmidlapp, your adviser on maritime matters, perhaps remembering some incidents from visits to foreign ports during his own sea-going career. "Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can 'arrest' them and take over?"
[validity]nation has a Military.
[effect]the navy’s special forces have adopted a skull-&-crossbones flag

[option]"Actually, @@LEADER@@, maybe this indicates that the ban on Gambling was a mistake to start with?" @@RANDOMNAME@@, a Treasury official murmurs. "If people are going to keep on gambling anyway, then we might as well let them do it legally, so that we can tax the business..."
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]the government ends up with much more of gamblers′ money than casino owners do

[option]"That would be no fun,″ complains somebody who seems to have found his way into this meeting without an invitation, a decidedly pale-skinned man whom you recognise as casino-ship owner Mr Joseph Kerr. ″If you leave the situation as it is, without allowing competitors ashore or meddling in other ways, then we will pay a reasonable 'tax' – in untraceable cash, of course – directly to your office."
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]@@LEADER@@ is publicly shocked — shocked! — to find that gambling is going on aboard ships just outside the nation′s territorial waters

Changes from fourth draft: Alterations to that draft which that were marked on it by striking through or use of green colour made into normal text; one more word deleted from option four.

Casino Ahoy!

[issue]Certain 'entrepeneurs' have found a way around @@NAME@@′s ban on gambling: They have built a casino aboard a ship, and keep this just outside of your territorial waters (apart from brief resupply runs to foreign ports) while using fast boats to ferry their clientele to and fro.
[validity]Gambling is banned; nation has Police; leaving the nation is legal; Capitalism… and maybe also — to ensure that there are enough potential customers for this enterprise to work — some combination of high Wealthy Income, high Income Inequality, and/or low Taxation?

[option]"It's a disgrace!" exclaims @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ Joyless, your Anti-Gambling Tsar'. "@@DEMONYMPPLURAL@@ mustn't be allowed to do things outside this country that they couldn't legally do within it. Change the law so that people need prior approval an official permit even to take boat-trips past the territorial limit, and so that any @@DEMONYM@@ who does do something illegal while they are elsewhere can be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly, when they come back home afterwards."
[validity]unrestricted (If the nation previously lacked Courts then this would reinstate them)
[effect]offshore fishermen and recreational sailors hug the coast closely for fear of arrest

[option]"That's bit much, though," grumbles Commodore Schmidlapp, your adviser on maritime matters, perhaps remembering some incidents from visits to foreign ports during his own sea-going career. "Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can 'arrest' them and take over?"
[validity]nation has a Military.
[effect]the navy’s special forces have adopted a skull-&-crossbones flag

[option]"Actually, @@LEADER@@, maybe this indicates that the ban on Gambling was a mistake to start with?" @@RANDOMNAME@@, a Treasury official murmurs. "If people are going to keep on gambling anyway, then we might as well let them do it legally, so that we can tax the business..."
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]the government ends up with much more of gamblers′ money than casino owners do

[option]"That would be no fun,″ complains a man who has somebody who seems to have found his way into this meeting without an invitation, a decidedly pale-skinned figure man whom you now recognise as casino-ship owner Mr Joseph Kerr. ″If you leave the situation as it is, without allowing competitors ashore or meddling in other ways, then we will pay a reasonable 'tax' – in untraceable cash, of course – directly to your office."
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]@@LEADER@@ is publicly shocked — shocked! — to find that gambling is going on aboard ships just outside the nation′s territorial waters

Changes from third draft: quotation marks straightened, various minor changes to wording in options 1, 3, & 4.

Casino Ahoy!

[issue]Certain 'entrepeneurs' have found a way around @@NAME@@′s ban on gambling: They have built a casino aboard a ship, and keep this just outside of your territorial waters (apart from brief resupply runs to foreign ports) while using fast boats to ferry their clientele to and fro.
[validity]Gambling is banned; nation has Police; leaving the nation is legal; Capitalism… and maybe also — to ensure that there are enough potential customers for this enterprise to work — some combination of high Wealthy Income, high Income Inequality, and/or low Taxation?

[option]″It′s a disgrace!″ exclaims @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ Joyless, your ′Anti-Gambling Tsar′. ″@@DEMONYMPPLURAL@@ mustn′t be allowed to do things outside this country that they couldn′t legally do within it. You must change the law so that people can't even take boat-trips past the territorial limit without prior approval, and so that any @@DEMONYM@@ who does do something illegal while they're elsewhere can be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly, when they come back home afterwards.″
[validity]unrestricted (If the nation previously lacked Courts then this would reinstate them)
[effect]offshore fishermen and recreational sailors hug the coast closely for fear of arrest

[option]″That′s bit much, though,″ grumbles Commodore Schmidlapp, your adviser on maritime matters, perhaps remembering some incidents from visits to foreign ports during his own sea-going career. ″Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over?″
[validity]nation has a Military.
[effect]the navy’s special forces have adopted a skull-&-crossbones flag

[option]″Actually, @@LEADER@@, maybe this indicates that the ban on Gambling was a mistake to start with?″ @@RANDOMNAME@@, a Treasury official murmurs. ″If people are going to keep on gambling anyway, then we might as well let them do so legally, and then we could tax the business...″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]the government ends up with much more of gamblers′ money than casino owners do

[option]″That would be no fun,″ complains a person who has found his way into this meeting without an invitation, a tall and pale-skinned figure whom you now recognise as casino-ship owner Mr Joseph Kerr. ″If you leave the situation as it is, without allowing competitors ashore or meddling in other ways, then we will pay a reasonable ′tax′ – in untraceable cash – directly to your office. ″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]@@LEADER@@ is shocked — shocked! — when told that gambling is going on aboard ships just outside the nation′s territorial waters

Changes from second draft: introduction expanded to mention resupply abroad, first option expanded slightly to answer the "Why not just stop the boats that take their customers out?" question, first option's effect line changed.

Casino Ahoy!

[issue]Certain ′entrepeneurs′ have found a way around @@NAME@@′s ban on gambling: They have built a casino aboard a ship, and keep this just outside of your territorial waters while using fast boats to ferry their clientele to and fro.
[validity]Gambling is banned; nation has Police; leaving the nation is legal; Capitalism… and maybe also — to ensure that there are enough potential customers for this enterprise to work — some combination of high Wealthy Income, high Income Inequality, and/or low Taxation?

[option]″It′s a disgrace!″ exclaims @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ Joyless, your ′Anti-Gambling Tsar′. ″@@DEMONYMPPLURAL@@ mustn′t be allowed to do things outside this country that they couldn′t legally do within it. You must change the law so that when they come back they can be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly.″
[validity]unrestricted (If the nation previously lacked Courts then this would reinstate them)
[effect]@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ who travel abroad routinely face police interrogation when they return

[option]″That′s bit much, though,″ grumbles Commodore Schmidlapp, your adviser on maritime matters, perhaps remembering some incidents from visits to foreign ports during his own sea-going career. ″Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over?″
[validity]nation has a Military.
[effect]the navy’s special forces have adopted a skull-&-crossbones flag

[option]″Actually, @@LEADER@@, maybe this indicates that the ban on Gambling was a mistake to start with?″ @@RANDOMNAME@@, a Treasury official murmurs. ″If people are going to keep on gambling anyway, then we might as well let them do so legally, and then we could tax the business...″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]the government ends up with much more of gamblers′ money than casino owners do

[option]″That would be no fun,″ complains a person who has found his way into this meeting without an invitation, a tall and pale-skinned figure whom you now recognise as casino-ship owner Mr Joseph Kerr. ″If you leave the situation as it is, without alllowing competitors ashore or meddling in other ways, then we will pay a reasonable ′tax′ – in untraceable cash – directly to your office. ″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]@@LEADER@@ is shocked — shocked! — when told that gambling is going on aboard ships just outside the nation′s territorial waters

Changes from first draft: Options 2 & 4 both expanded in response to feedback.

[issue]Certain ′entrepeneurs′ have found a way around @@NAME@@′s ban on gambling: They have built a casino aboard a ship, and keep this just outside of your territorial waters while using fast boats to ferry their clientele to and fro.
[validity]Gambling is banned; nation has Police; leaving the nation is legal; Capitalism… and maybe also — to ensure that there are enough potential customers for this enterprise to work — some combination of high Wealthy Income, high Income Inequality, and/or low Taxation?

[option]″It′s a disgrace!″ exclaims @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ Joyless, your ′Anti-Gambling Tsar′. ″@@DEMONYMPPLURAL@@ mustn′t be allowed to do things outside this country that they couldn′t legally do within it. You must change the law so that when they come back they can be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly.″
[validity]unrestricted (If the nation previously lacked Courts then this would reinstate them)
[effect]@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ who travel abroad routinely face police interrogation when they return

[option]″That′s bit much, though,″ grumbles Commodore Schmidlapp, your adviser on maritime matters, perhaps remembering some incidents from visits to foreign ports during his own sea-going career. ″Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to seize that ship and then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over?″
[validity]nation has a Military.
[effect]the navy’s special forces have adopted a skull-&-crossbones flag

[option]″Actually, @@LEADER@@, maybe this indicates that the ban on Gambling was a mistake to start with?″ @@RANDOMNAME@@, a Treasury official murmurs. ″If people are going to keep on gambling anyway, then we might as well let them do so legally, and then we could tax the business...″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]the government ends up with much more of gamblers′ money than casino owners do

[option]″That would be no fun,″ complains a person who has found his way into this meeting without an invitation, a tall and pale-skinned figure whom you now recognise as casino-ship owner Mr Joseph Kerr. ″If you leave the situation as it is, without meddling, then we will pay a reasonable ′tax′ – in untraceable cash – directly to your office. ″
[validity]unrestricted
[effect]@@LEADER@@ is shocked — shocked! — when told that gambling is going on aboard ships just outside the nation′s territorial waters
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:19 am

Quiet in here, isn't it?

BUMP!

Seriously, five days since this was first posted and no feedback at all?

Is this already so good that the reason nobody commented was because nobody could see any need to suggest changes?
Is it so bad that the reason nobody commented was because nobody wanted anything at all to do with it?
Or is it just so "meh" that nobody felt it worth commenting on?
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Postby Candensia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 am

As I see it, it runs right up to the line when it comes to verisimilitude, but doesn’t quite cross it.

Clearly, no ship can remain at sea indefinitely (consider maintenance, food, fuel, etc.) and the smaller resupply ships are obvious targets for law enforcement when they enter @@DEMONYM@@ jurisdiction.

However, I like it. I think the idea is really fun, and that is worth something.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:59 am

Candensia wrote:Clearly, no ship can remain at sea indefinitely (consider maintenance, food, fuel, etc.)
It then be resupplied by other ships running between it and the coast, and make brief visits to foreign ports.

Candensia wrote:and the smaller resupply ships are obvious targets for law enforcement when they enter @@DEMONYM@@ jurisdiction.
No more or less so than the ones carrying the customers. A mention of doing that could be added to option 1, though.




I think the last two options are too similar. Both allow the gambling to continue (either openly or clandestinely) while collecting money from then casino (through either taxes or bribes), the only difference being that one version is more corrupt. If you want to keep that option, you need a better reason why the government and/or the casino owner doesn't want gambling to be openly legalized.

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Candensia wrote:Clearly, no ship can remain at sea indefinitely (consider maintenance, food, fuel, etc.)
It then be resupplied by other ships running between it and the coast, and make brief visits to foreign ports.

Candensia wrote:and the smaller resupply ships are obvious targets for law enforcement when they enter @@DEMONYM@@ jurisdiction.
No more or less so than the ones carrying the customers. A mention of doing that could be added to option 1, though.
I'll consider such an addition.
Ships like this did exist in RL, so there must have been some workable way of handling it.

Trotterdam wrote:I think the last two options are too similar. Both allow the gambling to continue (either openly or clandestinely) while collecting money from then casino (through either taxes or bribes), the only difference being that one version is more corrupt. If you want to keep that option, you need a better reason why the government and/or the casino owner doesn't want gambling to be openly legalized.
I'll think about this. My thought was that the "tax" paid under option 4 would be less than the taxes collected under option 3, and thus preferable to the shipowners (who also wouldn't have to face increased competition from legal gambling establishments ashore), and -- as you recognize -- @@LEADER@@ might favour '4' over '3' because of the greater potenttial for corrupt behaviour.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:56 pm

Why can't you just ban the supply ships from departing @@NAME@@'s waters? Also, effect gor option 2, why would a floating casino invite in pirates? That's like a bank inviting in a man wearing a vlaklava whilst holding a machine gun. Besides, there would be far more consequences than the wrong flag. E.g. your navy seizing legitimate foreign cruise ships

Bears Armed wrote:Quiet in here, isn't it?

BUMP!

Seriously, five days since this was first posted and no feedback at all?

Is this already so good that the reason nobody commented was because nobody could see any need to suggest changes?
Is it so bad that the reason nobody commented was because nobody wanted anything at all to do with it?
Or is it just so "meh" that nobody felt it worth commenting on?

Actually, I just didn't see it
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:16 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Why can't you just ban the supply ships from departing @@NAME@@'s waters?
Too hard to do legally without banning all boats from leaving the nation's waters (which, admittedly, could be the basis of an additional issue)? They'd continue running the boats -- which, being fast and [potentially] operating from different places on different nights, wouldn't necessarily be eay for the authorities to find -- illegally anyway?

Australian rePublic wrote:Also, effect gor option 2, why would a floating casino invite in pirates? That's like a bank inviting in a man wearing a vlaklava whilst holding a machine gun.
Presumably those attacker would either infiltrate the customers -- and not announce their "piratical" intentions until already aboard (I did say the they'd be dressed in civilian clothes, and it's not as though there's a compulsory "pirate" uniform (peg-legs and shouldered parrots all round?) is it? -- or sneak up on the ship and board without an invitation? I'll think about clarifying this in the text.
Australian rePublic wrote:Besides, there would be far more consequences than the wrong flag. E.g. your navy seizing legitimate foreign cruise ships
That depends on how much licence they're given to launch attacks without the authorities designating specific targets in advance. I think that it's going further than I want to take this... but if this issue gets accepted for use then maybe there'd be scope for another one, treeing off of this option, about that possibility?
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:50 am

Second draft, with options 2 & 4 both expanded in response to feedback, posted.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:43 am

Third draft posted: changes made (introduction expanded to mention resupply abroad; first option expanded slightly to answer the "Why not just stop the boats that take their customers out?" question, and first option's effect line changed) are a delayed response to Australian rePublic's last comment.
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Jutsa » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:05 pm

Hello, Bears Armed! I haven't done a draft review in a while, mostly cause I'm way less active in GI and I don't find I can add much to the table
(and this draft being no exception) [also partially due to sheer laziness],
but I felt like giving this a look since I myself had wanted to see an issue like this and, well, this'd do nicely. :lol:

Quite nice ideas, all-around. Just a few things:
1) Not too fond of the effect lines, personally, but I mean, most of mine've been changed anyway so that's an aside.
2) You're using those slanted quote things again. "dumb quotes", BA. ;)
3)
″Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over?″

First half: fine. Second half: becomes kinda clunky and somewhat run-on. Personal suggestion (use if you want, don't if you don't. :P) would be something like
"to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control? Then they could move it inside the territorial limit within our territorial waters, where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over? arrest the crew."


Not much else to say, really! A couple of little punctuation errors, but I won't be as picky as I used to be.
Right now those are the three biggest things that pop out to me. Everything else looks pretty submittable. :)

edit: Oh, small note: I don't think the military restriction on option 2 is needed. :P

edit2: Also, funny issue option idea: Use cannons to shoot down the ship. :rofl:
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:27 am

Jutsa wrote:Hello, Bears Armed! I haven't done a draft review in a while, mostly cause I'm way less active in GI and I don't find I can add much to the table
(and this draft being no exception) [also partially due to sheer laziness],
but I felt like giving this a look since I myself had wanted to see an issue like this and, well, this'd do nicely. :lol:
Thank you.

Quite nice ideas, all-around. Just a few things:
1) Not too fond of the effect lines, personally, but I mean, most of mine've been changed anyway so that's an aside.
That's fine, I'm not completely satisfied with these ones myself.

2) You're using those slanted quote things again. "dumb quotes", BA. ;)
The computers to which I have access are set so that they default to "slanted" ones. I specifically used the 'proper' sort when creating the original draft, but forgot to copy-&-paste one of those when making changes. I'll fix it before submission.

3)
″Why not just send a crew of Navy men togged-up in civvies, pretending to be crooks themselves, to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control then move it inside the territorial limit where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over?″

First half: fine. Second half: becomes kinda clunky and somewhat run-on. Personal suggestion (use if you want, don't if you don't. :P) would be something like
"to get aboard that ship somehow and seize control? Then they could move it inside the territorial limit within our territorial waters, where the police can ′arrest′ them and take over? arrest the crew."
I'll consider this.

edit: Oh, small note: I don't think the military restriction on option 2 is needed. :P
No military => no navy => nobody to send on the suggested mission.... No?

edit2: Also, funny issue option idea: Use cannons to shoot down the ship. :rofl:
Cannon from where? How many [RL] nations still have shore batteries?
And if you mean "cannon" in the old-fashioned sense (muzzle-loaders, firing roundshot) then any ships out beyond the territorial waters would normally be out of range for shore-based cannon anyway, in fact that limitation was actually a factor in why the [old] three-mile limit was chosen for the territorial waters' boundary.

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i'll probably re-write the first option significantly, again, as well.
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Postby Jutsa » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:32 am

@Military: Eh, good point, but I think the general consensus is that "no military" isn't exactly a validity
since, like, all nations probably have some kind of military and if not directly from government budget then some kind of militia or contractors.
Not for certain, though, so yeah I guess leaving it in would be on the safe side.

@Cannon: I wasn't meaning literally; I just meant blowing the ship out of the water by bombing it, or with gunships,
or, if you've got pirates, hypothetically actual cannon fodder. Or just swarthy swordy seamen with sores and scurvy.

@Option 1: I'm actually alright with it, though I admit it could probably use a little humor.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:06 am

Fourth draft posted.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:58 am

Seems extremely solid. Good topic.
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Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Seems extremely solid. Good topic.

Thank you.
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I've fiddled a bit more with the wording of the first and fourth options, but so far by using sttike and colour on the existing draft rather than by posting another new draft.
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:47 am

Last Call.
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:59 am

Really "Last Call": Barring any further comments that persuade me changes need to be made, I'll submit this on Thursday.
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:35 pm

Nothing from me, BA. Looks really nice. :)

Good luck. :D
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:43 am

One last apostrophe fixed (3rd option's effect line).

Submitted.

That makes five more of my drafts submitted since around the time of the most recent one so far to have entered use: I wonder whether any of the four that preceded this one are actually under consideration? I do realise that ‘A Wooden Legacy’ might have been rejected because some of the editors considered it too duplicative — although I argued in the drafting thread that it wasn’t (and it would be a pity to lose the Effect line about @@LEADER@@ being rumoured to talk to the trees…) ) — and that ‘Yes, We Have no Vanilla’ might have been rejected because of the number of options involved (even though no nation would qualify for more than six of the eight, and many would receive only four or five… and the last two could be cut completely, anyway, leaving four as the most for any nation…), but I still have hopes for ‘How Common?’ and ‘It’s A Puzzle’…
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:32 am

Good Luck!
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:25 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Good Luck!

Thank you.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
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