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[SUBMITTED 16/1/19] Family Matters

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[SUBMITTED 16/1/19] Family Matters

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:51 am

Been needing a reversal of No Courts that has no validity criteria for some time, so hopefully this will deliver.

SECOND:
TITLE:

Family Matters


VALIDITY:

Courts have been abolished


DESCRIPTION:

The police are reporting to you that several organised crime families have taken to setting up "neighbourhood tribunals" which offer mediation, judgement and punishment to their local communities in the absence of official courts. Surprisingly, many citizens seem to be in favour of these lawbreakers-turned-lawmakers, willingly bringing their grievances to them for arbitration.


OPTION ONE

Without pausing for breath once, interior designer @@randomname@@ gabbles @@HIS@@ reasons for turning to the illegal courts: "Basically, I lent my neighbour my lawnmower two years ago and he never returned it, and when I said I wanted it back, he said that he'd owned it for longer than me so it was his, and he'd been mowing my lawn anyway, so I owed him, and I said that was rubbish, so he said 'so sue me' and I said 'you know I can't because there's no courts', and he said that it sucks to be me, and I said that well maybe there is a court, and then I said 'capiche?' which means 'you know what I mean' but I was implying that I meant the Mafia with my lingo, if you know what I mean, and he said 'sure, let's do this,' so we did, and now he's sleeping with the fishes, and that's not actually what I wanted, but what choice did I have, and maybe if you reinstated some proper courts we could have resolved this in a proper court, so why haven't you done that already, so..." @@HE@@ faints suddenly, from oxygen deprivation.

OUTCOME:

the aphorism "there's no need to argue" has been dismissed by @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@


OPTION TWO

"We're doing you a favour by dealing with people like that," says crime boss 'Actually Quite Thin' Tony. "Look, you got rid of the courts to get rid of bureaucracy and cut costs. That's something I'd appreciate as a taxpayer, if I paid taxes. Why don't you make our neighbourhood tribunal system official, and you'll get back a court system, but we'll be entirely self-funding. That's a win-win for everyone, wouldn't you say?"


OUTCOME:

the most commonly-worn shoes are concrete ones



OPTION THREE

"Perps cannot be allowed to take law into their own hands," says police officer Joe De Redd, knocking the crime boss down with his police baton. "The system works. We the police, act as judge and jury. We arrest, then we pass sentence, we administer punishments. Crime bosses, citizens seeking illegal arbitration, underground street lawyers - they all need to respect the law. I am the Law."

OUTCOME:

beat cops are named for the beatings they deliver


FIRST:
TITLE:

Family Matters


VALIDITY:

Courts have been abolished


DESCRIPTION:

The police are reporting to you that several organised crime families have taken to setting up "neighbourhood tribunals" which offer mediation, judgement and punishment to their local communities in the absence of official courts. Surprisingly, many citizens seem to be in favour of these lawbreakers-turned-lawmakers, willingly bringing their grievances to them for arbitration.


OPTION ONE

Without pausing for breath once, interior designer @@randomname@@ spiels @@HIS@@ reasons for turning to the illegal courts: "Basically, I lent my neighbour my lawnmower two years ago and he never returned it, and when I said I wanted it back, he said that he'd owned it for longer than me so it was his, and he'd been mowing my lawn anyway, so I owed him, and I said that was rubbish, so he said 'so sue me' and I said 'you know I can't because there's no courts', and he said that it sucks to be me, and I said that well maybe there is a court, and then I said 'capiche?' which means 'you know what I mean' but I was implying that I meant the Mafia with my lingo, if you know what I mean, and he said 'sure, let's do this,' so we did, and now he's sleeping with the fishes, and that's not actually what I wanted, but what choice did I have, and maybe if you reinstated some proper courts we could have resolved this in a proper court, so why haven't you done that already, so..." @@HE@@ faints suddenly, from oxygen deprivation.

OUTCOME:

the aphorism "there's no need to argue" has been dismissed by @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@


OPTION TWO

"We're doing you a favour by dealing with people like that," says crime boss 'Actually Quite Thin' Tony. "Look, you got rid of the courts to get rid of bureaucracy and cut costs. That's something I'd appreciate as a taxpayer, if I paid taxes. Why don't you make our neighbourhood tribunal system official, and you'll get back a court system, but we'll be entirely self-funding. That's a win-win for everyone, wouldn't you say?"


OUTCOME:

the most commonly-worn shoes are concrete ones



OPTION THREE

"Perps cannot be allowed to take law into their own hands," says police officer Joe De Redd, knocking the crime boss down with his police baton. "The system works. We the police, act as judge and jury. We arrest, then we pass sentence, we administer punishments. Crime bosses, citizens seeking illegal arbitration, underground street lawyers - they all need to respect the law. I am the Law."

OUTCOME:

beat cops are named for the beatings they deliver
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:02 am

I just...

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Postby Window Land » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:17 am

Oxford comma after judgment in the description. Also, in option one, 'spiels' doesn't seem to be the right word. Besides that, it looks great!
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:06 am

Thanks for the compliments, guys!

Window Land wrote:Oxford comma after judgment in the description. Also, in option one, 'spiels' doesn't seem to be the right word. Besides that, it looks great!


Leaving off Oxford commas is intentional, sorry.

Not sure why "spiels" isn't the right word. Any reason for saying that?
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Postby Window Land » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:16 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Not sure why "spiels" isn't the right word. Any reason for saying that?

Spiel is typically used as a noun and its use as a verb confused me. I thought you meant spells at first and had to double check to make sure it was a verb. For simplicity's sake, I would recommend 'spells' or 'lists' instead of 'spiels'.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:28 pm


Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Leaving off Oxford commas is intentional, sorry.


Aaaagghhh! I'm melting... meeellllltttiiiinnngggggg!

Not sure why "spiels" isn't the right word. Any reason for saying that?


Not OP, but my take is that while it's probably technically correct, spiel by itself is usually a noun, and might be a bit non-standard. The common verb usage I see is invariably paired with "off" in the form "spiels off." If the line were written "@@randomname@@ spiels off @@HIS@@ reasons..." I would have no quibble whatsoever with it.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:33 pm

Firstly - I love this concept as an issue so much, and the way you have implemented it is astounding. Certainly far better than I could do!
This will be my new favourite issue when it passes!

With that, I do have one small bit of advice:

"Those Pperps cannot be allowed to take law into their own hands," says police officer Joe De Redd


I would suggest fixing it to remove the red-strike parts, and include the green ones.
I think adding "Those" would make the transition a little better, as when reading it, I was thrown off.

I We am are the Law.

Another small wording change, very minor, but he was just referring to the police in general, and drawing back to himself without a transition doesn't make the most sense (to me, take any advice I give with a grain of salt).

The system works.


I would suggest a change here to make it more of a smooth transition: "It simply isn't how the system works."

Again, please don't hate me for brining up small problems I have with the draft, just trying to be helpful...
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:00 pm

Option 1- see, the thing about organised crime is that it's well, organised. You don't get to become a mob boss by randomly killing people over petty lawn mower disputes. For example, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the godfather, but in the opening scene, Vito refused to kill a man who BASHED THE SHIT out of a woman, LET ALONE a lawn mower dispute. A successful organised crime syndicate APPEARS to be just and APPEARS to be uncorrupt. (Just like the government of a dictatorship like China). Organised crime syndicates don't go around comitting random thugery. (The exception is extortion. I have no idea how that shit works)
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:13 am

Window Land wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Not sure why "spiels" isn't the right word. Any reason for saying that?

Spiel is typically used as a noun and its use as a verb confused me. I thought you meant spells at first and had to double check to make sure it was a verb. For simplicity's sake, I would recommend 'spells' or 'lists' instead of 'spiels'.


It is a verb though, and it's clear here that I'm using it as a verb and not a noun, right? I'm not keen on being simple for it's own sake - I can't stand it when things are deliberately dumbed-down on the assumption that audiences won't cope. I mean, if it was specialist technical language then sure, I'd likely add a clarification, but this is just an ordinary English word.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar, the reason for capitalising Perps and for using "I am the Law!" was in reference to Judge Dredd, as is the pattern of speech. Thanks for the comments though.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:14 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Option 1- see, the thing about organised crime is that it's well, organised. You don't get to become a mob boss by randomly killing people over petty lawn mower disputes. For example, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the godfather, but in the opening scene, Vito refused to kill a man who BASHED THE SHIT out of a woman, LET ALONE a lawn mower dispute. A successful organised crime syndicate APPEARS to be just and APPEARS to be uncorrupt. (Just like the government of a dictatorship like China). Organised crime syndicates don't go around comitting random thugery. (The exception is extortion. I have no idea how that shit works)


True, but NS is prone to comedic exaggeration, and concrete shoes for minor infractions is the sort of thing that a comedic depiction of a mob boss would do. There's a balance here between silliness for the sake of humour, and verisimilitude, of course.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:40 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Option 1- see, the thing about organised crime is that it's well, organised. You don't get to become a mob boss by randomly killing people over petty lawn mower disputes. For example, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the godfather, but in the opening scene, Vito refused to kill a man who BASHED THE SHIT out of a woman, LET ALONE a lawn mower dispute. A successful organised crime syndicate APPEARS to be just and APPEARS to be uncorrupt. (Just like the government of a dictatorship like China). Organised crime syndicates don't go around comitting random thugery. (The exception is extortion. I have no idea how that shit works)


True, but NS is prone to comedic exaggeration, and concrete shoes for minor infractions is the sort of thing that a comedic depiction of a mob boss would do. There's a balance here between silliness for the sake of humour, and verisimilitude, of course.

Yes, but I think this crosses the line. Although that's just my crackpot opinion, you as an editor know better. However, I will say this, death isn't funny. I mean, you could have a funny consequence to all this, e.g. the mob boss could tatoo a lawn mower to the victim's head, or place the lawn mower's engine in his bed, or something like that. Alternatively, you could keep the murder (though I think it's too extreme) and then discuss how the plaintiff (the speaker, the person who comissioned the mafia) is arrested for manslaughter under the very courts that he was advocating for.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:13 am

Itchy and Scratchy teach me that death is, in fact, hilarious.

Mind you, I have a black sense of humour. Yesterday my nephew was complaining about a bad haircut, and my wife suggested he should shave his head to get rid of it, that'd be less likely to be teased. I then added that he could probably use that to get some time off school too, if he claimed to be on chemo.

He laughed, but my wife whacked me on the back of the head.

Anyway, I do like the lawnmower tattoo. May use that in place, just on the grounds that it is funnier.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:43 am

I think the "sleeping with the fishes" line works fine and I like the rambling speaking style in that option, but I kind of agree that where you've used "spiels" as a verb sounds a bit odd. It's obvious that it's being used as a verb, but that's a new usage for me.

Edit: Don't change it to "spells," though. That'd be worse. I'd probably go with "rattles off," but there are other verbs that would work if you have a different preference.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:50 am

Okay, I'll go with gabbles, and keep sleeping with the fishes. Second draft up.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:29 am

One and only bump on this.

Any thoughts anyone?
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Postby Hiram Land from School » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:31 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:One and only bump on this.

Any thoughts anyone?

heh. bump.

anyway this issue has potential, knowing that not only is it good, but it was written by a senior issues author or something. :)

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:31 am

Heh - while being an editor does mean issues get automatically accepted, it doesn't mean they get auto-published, and generally it takes 1-2 years for an editor's issue to make it to the game, whereas it takes weeks or months for a good player-written issue to make it in. Generally all balances out.

I'm thinking option 1 is too long still, even with the joke of being waffly. What do y'all think?
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Postby Jutsa » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:40 am

Naeh, I think the longwindedness is just enough for this guy, myself. :)
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