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[DISCARDED] Red Like a Book

Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:34 am

So, idk how many of you remember this draft, but I decided to take a little inspiration from it to make this one.
This is based on the concept of innovation, and hiring creative thinkers to come up with new inventions for the nation.
Note: This is for communists and there is no reversal option.

Idk if this exactly works, and the title I was never sure on, but hopefully it'll be good with a little bit of work. :)

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Title: Red Like a Book
The Issue: Due to the state-run market in @@NAME@@, innovation has become a rarity. With what few recent technological innovations existing having been borrowed from the capitalist United Federation, you've arranged a meeting to discuss ways to keep up with the anti-socialist nations.
Validity: Must not have private industry; Must not have very high scientific advancement

Option 1: "The current state of things are not very good, comrade," informs your military-strategist Minister of Creative Solutions, currently frazzled from designing a toaster with an off switch. "We need to pay for inventors and innovators to come together and solve tasks you assign them. Though there won't be much money in the project, it'd improve quality of life and help the manufacturers make things cheaper in the long haul. It'd also make my life a lot easier."
[effect] the struggle to afford the latest toasters has made toast a rarity

Option 2: "Why do that when you could rely on the kindness of volunteers?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, a @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@ worker allowed in the meeting because everyone is equal. "People will love to give you their help if you ask for it. I'd have shared with you my design for a camera disguised as a telescope if you did. Put together a department to review the working man's ideas, and we may even get some decent military designs made!"
[effect] pink tanks that shoot bubbles is the latest in cutting-edge military technology

Option 3: "You people rely too much on sympathy," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a capitalist revolutionary who's been secretly trading hamsters for the velcro @@HE@@ sells. "If you want to get people interested, then start public competitions for the best inventions, and whoever wins gets a prize. It's cost-effective, it's efficient, and it only sorta resembles capitalism... which isn't such a bad thing, you know."
[effect] being better than your equals makes you equally more rich

Option 4: "Why do we need all this fancy-pancy new stuff?" inquires old-man Ovie, holding what appears to be a good, old-fashioned rope. "Wasting money on ideas is a bad thing. Hard work: that's how things get done. Pay nothing for creativity; just give us what we need to live in the world." The rope he attempts to use snaps, and he falls to the floor in agony.
[effect] grey people in grey houses eat grey bowls of grey soup with grey spoons


Title: Red Like a Book
The Issue: Due to the state-run market in @@NAME@@, innovation has become a rarity. With what few new technologies having been borrowed from the capitalist United Federation and all living rooms looking the same shade of red, you've arranged a meeting in a similarly bland room to discuss ways to keep up with the anti-socialist nations.
Validity: Must not have private industry; Must not have very high scientific advancement

Option 1: "Our current manufacturers are not doing a very good job, comrade," informs @@RANDOMNAME@@, a @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@ worker allowed in the meeting because everyone is equal. "We're stuck with the same crap we've had for, what, years now? Something like that. And yet we have the same bad toasters, same bad houses, same bad phones. It's bad, @@LEADER@@! It really is! People are willing to come up with better things for cheap, if you give it a shot."
[effect] the struggle to find affordable low-quality toasters has made toast a rarity

Option 2: "You want inventors to come up with WHAT now?" shrieks military veteran @@RANDOMNAME@@, now one of the industrial planners for a major region in upper @@NAME@@. "Creative thinkers should be working on military projects, not useless stuff like televisions and refrigerators! Regear education for military strategizing and technology. That'll be money well-spent!"
[effect] pink tanks that shoot bubbles is the latest in cutting-edge military technology

Option 3: "Why do we need all this fancy-pancy new stuff?" inquires old-man Ovie, holding what appears to be a good, old-fashioned rope. "Wasting money on ideas is a bad thing. Hard work: that's how things get done. Pay nothing for creativity; just give us what we need to live in the world." The rope he attempts to use snaps, and he falls to the floor in agony.
[effect] grey people in grey houses eat grey bowls of grey soup with grey spoons


Title: Red Like a Book
The Issue: Due to the state-run market in @@NAME@@, innovation has become a rarity. With what few new technologies having been borrowed from the capitalist United Federation and all living rooms looking the same shade of red, you've arranged a meeting in a similarly bland room to discuss ways to keep up with the anti-socialist nations.
Validity: Must not have private industry

Option 1: "Our current manufacturers are not doing a very good job, comrade," informs @@RANDOMNAME@@, a @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@ worker allowed in the meeting because everyone is equal. "We're stuck with the same crap we've had for, what, years now? Something like that. And yet we have the same bad toasters, same bad houses, same bad furniture. It's bad, @@LEADER@@! It really is! People are willing to come up with better things for cheap, if you give it a shot."
[effect] the struggle to find affordable low-quality toasters has made toast a rarity

Option 2: "You're complaining about toasters? Have you seen just how disgusting this room is?" asks your Minister of Culture, grimmacing at the sight of your desk. "There's no creativity these days, it's all the same drab colours the same drab books about how great you are. Not that there's... anything wrong with that. But seriously, you've gotta let creative people submit their designs to us and have manufacturers have some variety for once."
[effect] deficit in material has made an entire town yellow with purple polka dots

Option 3: "You want the manufacturers to do WHAT now?" shrieks military veteran @@RANDOMNAME@@, now one of the industrial planners for a major region in upper @@NAME@@. "Creative thinkers should be working on military projects, not sissy stuff like the colored tea cozies and oven mits! Regear education for military strategizing and technology. That'll be money well-spent!"
[effect] pink tanks that shoot bubbles is the latest in cutting-edge military technology

Option 4: "Why do we need all this fancy-pancy new stuff?" inquires old-man Ovie, holding what appears to be a good, old-fashioned rope. "Wasting money on ideas is a bad thing. Hard work: that's how things get done. Pay nothing for creativity; just give us what we need to live in the world." The rope he attempts to use snaps, and he falls to the floor in agony.
[effect] grey people in grey houses eat grey bowls of grey soup with grey spoons
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Postby Chan Island » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:48 am

I don't quite get what the problem here is. If the Commies are having special problems innovating, then why isn't the government just throwing scientists at the specific concerns like the USSR did?

Also, how is the interior decorating related to if @@NAME@@ can get the latest greatest household appliance?
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Postby New Excalibus » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:50 am

Chan Island wrote:I don't quite get what the problem here is. If the Commies are having special problems innovating, then why isn't the government just throwing scientists at the specific concerns like the USSR did?

Also, how is the interior decorating related to if @@NAME@@ can get the latest greatest household appliance?

Agreed. To both of those points.
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:52 am

I mean, if you've got manufacturers that're currently being efficient with resources,
they're probably not going to be investing much money on tons of fashion unless told otherwise. :P

That said, I do admit that it's a little bit of a stretch from "innovation", and I'd not be heartbroken if I end up cutting that option out.
In fact, I'm starting to like that idea, but I'll wait for a third opinion first.

ed: nvm got the third opinion, cutting it. :rofl:

course, that'll mean having to change option 3 a bit so I'll get right on that.
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Postby Shrive » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:54 am

I'm communist, but I'm well within the top 1% for scientific advancement and culture and the top 2% for defense forces. This issue shouldn't apply to me. Perhaps more requirements?

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:57 am

Fair point, particularly with scientific advancement. Military... well, you can't have enough military, right? :P
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:36 am

Jutsa wrote:With what few new technologies exist having been borrowed from the capitalist United Federation
You don't have to use that word, but there's something missing in the sentence without it.

Other than that, I'm unclear on what this issue is about. It looks like it's going to be about how to motivate people to innovate in a communist country, but then it seems to talk more about which areas you want to innovate in without ever doing a very good job of explaining how you plan on doing so. I don't understand the first effect line, either.

Also take a look at #340, which isn't full communist, but where other factors are impairing the profitability of innovation.

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:49 pm

It's supposed to be a joke about communism. :P

I'll take a closer look at Trot's comment in a bit, but I can see this one'll need a lot of work at best.
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:33 am

Hmm... y'know, sometimes it'd really help me if I broke down my general issue like so many other people do.
Something about not seeing the forest for the trees or something.

So what I've currently got is something like this:
"innovation in @@NAME@@ sucks. How to boost it?"
> Boost household stuff
> Boost militech
> Don't

So, the question is how, and the answer is who. Very bad.
This'll be a while until I fix and mostly rewrite this one, and in the meanwhile I'll analyze my other drafts for logical inconsistencies like this.
The fact that I haven't yet already is truly remarkable.
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:02 pm

Alrighty, changed it so the options are "how" instead of "who".
ed: Well, ok, it's still technically "who" but it's "who does it" instead of "who benefits most". :rofl:

Hope this is good, although tbh it was a pretty quick change and I'm sure it'll still need work...

but, I gotta say this: I already feel much better about it. :)
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:22 pm

Oh and added a new option 3 after posting that. Yes, I stole the hamster guy from my quota draft. :lol:
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:23 pm

Also I can quad-post in my own thread, right?
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:39 am

er... hexapost?

Bump~ :rofl:
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Postby Palos Heights » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:27 am

Jutsa, necessity is the mother of invention, not capitalism. Communists are capable of innovating, they got a dog into space after all. Your issue doesn't have a solid base to work from and barring you learning more about the economic models, I don't see this issue being salvageable.
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Postby Jutsa » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:47 am

necessity is the mother of invention, not capitalism
In capitalist culture, necessity to make a better product to keep a business afloat is also a thing.
In a communist culture, there's no need for that.

Admittedly launching a dog into space is petty impressive, but do recall that that was in order to get into space (in competition against the United States, I might add),
and not to make quality of life better.

Course, looking at my draft, I admit that it's still not well executed. The options play out like a lack of consumer goods innovation is a problem,
without there being a reason why.

Now I see why writing communist drafts is so hard. Discarded. >_>
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