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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:36 am

The Marsupial Illuminati wrote:I approve of the death.

You now have to amend the opening and the first option:
Ah yes, oversight errors. I've changed the two so that it now fits.

Personally, I like the way this has come along. Still, looking for more feedback.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:27 am

Sacara wrote:
The Marsupial Illuminati wrote:Regarding our previous discussion, have you decided on another way for the man to die?
Yes, I changed the way the man died. Check it out :P


I must say I don't approve. Dying during sex drives the dilemma home much better, and then also more directly makes you wonder about the stance of the husband about how his sperm should be used.
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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:31 am

Chan Island wrote:I must say I don't approve. Dying during sex drives the dilemma home much better, and then also more directly makes you wonder about the stance of the husband about how his sperm should be used.
Fair point, Chan. However, Marsupial also brought this up in an earlier discussion:
Marsupial Illuminati wrote:I just realized that the way the man dies is very important. This issue is basically about consent. If the man dies during sex, that would make the woman's case stronger, since the act of sex clearly implies that he would have wanted to impregnate her, and thus we can say he gave his consent before he died. If the man dies while walking in the park or something, the woman's case is not so strong since we don't have the man giving his consent for his sperm to be used. You have to decide which road to take here.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:39 am

Sacara wrote:
Chan Island wrote:I must say I don't approve. Dying during sex drives the dilemma home much better, and then also more directly makes you wonder about the stance of the husband about how his sperm should be used.
Fair point, Chan. However, Marsupial also brought this up in an earlier discussion:
Marsupial Illuminati wrote:I just realized that the way the man dies is very important. This issue is basically about consent. If the man dies during sex, that would make the woman's case stronger, since the act of sex clearly implies that he would have wanted to impregnate her, and thus we can say he gave his consent before he died. If the man dies while walking in the park or something, the woman's case is not so strong since we don't have the man giving his consent for his sperm to be used. You have to decide which road to take here.


I have mixed feelings about that.

Perhaps it's the fact that it feels like you've swung it too far the other way right now. The woman should have a case that her husband wanted to impregnate her, and having this guy die randomly without any mention of it makes it feel a bit weak right now.
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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:46 am

Chan Island wrote:I have mixed feelings about that.

Perhaps it's the fact that it feels like you've swung it too far the other way right now. The woman should have a case that her husband wanted to impregnate her, and having this guy die randomly without any mention of it makes it feel a bit weak right now.
Right, but that's the point that Marsupial brought up. Most of the time, it's just the wife wants the husbands sperm. That's it. The only claim to sperm that many people in real life is the fact that they're married, and most countries honor that. Seems weird, but it's the way it works.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:53 am

Sacara wrote:
Chan Island wrote:I have mixed feelings about that.

Perhaps it's the fact that it feels like you've swung it too far the other way right now. The woman should have a case that her husband wanted to impregnate her, and having this guy die randomly without any mention of it makes it feel a bit weak right now.
Right, but that's the point that Marsupial brought up. Most of the time, it's just the wife wants the husbands sperm. That's it. The only claim to sperm that many people in real life is the fact that they're many, and most countries honor that. Seems weird, but it's the way it works.


Not a field I am intimately familiar with, so no opinions about it in real life.

As for the draft though, if the argument in real life really is that men have so much sperm that it doesn't matter the wife nabs a couple of the from her dead husband, then that argument should appear here too.

And just because in real life countries are a bit "sure, whatever" about just anyone who comes forward doesn't mean it should be the case in NS. This draft should have a difficult moral dilemma, and some kind of wish on the part of the deceased (except for the marriage part) for or against in either his activities just before death should be put in. In my opinion.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:02 am

Chan Island wrote:As for the draft though, if the argument in real life really is that men have so much sperm that it doesn't matter the wife nabs a couple of the from her dead husband, then that argument should appear here too.

And just because in real life countries are a bit "sure, whatever" about just anyone who comes forward doesn't mean it should be the case in NS. This draft should have a difficult moral dilemma, and some kind of wish on the part of the deceased (except for the marriage part) for or against in either his activities just before death should be put in. In my opinion.
For your bolded part, I meant married, not many. My bad!

I'm not sure if I'm going to make any major changes to the draft as it stands. I kind of like it. However, I would also like to hear how others feel about this as well.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:06 am

Sacara wrote:
Chan Island wrote:As for the draft though, if the argument in real life really is that men have so much sperm that it doesn't matter the wife nabs a couple of the from her dead husband, then that argument should appear here too.

And just because in real life countries are a bit "sure, whatever" about just anyone who comes forward doesn't mean it should be the case in NS. This draft should have a difficult moral dilemma, and some kind of wish on the part of the deceased (except for the marriage part) for or against in either his activities just before death should be put in. In my opinion.
For your bolded part, I meant married, not many. My bad!

I'm not sure if I'm going to make any major changes to the draft as it stands. I kind of like it. However, I would also like to hear how others feel about this as well.


Fair enough. It's your draft, not mine after all. :p
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:14 pm

I agree strongly with Chan.

The issue is stronger if death is during intercourse, because then you get the interesting interplay of the implied consent of him wanting to become a father, weighing up against the fact that harvesting sperm post-mortem to induce pregnancy is a totally different context.
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Postby Sacara » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:51 pm

Well, I suppose. I defaulted back to version two, which has the death happening during intercourse.
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Postby Sacara » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:59 pm

Submitted. Thanks to all that helped.
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:07 pm

Gl, Sacara; near-certainly a keeper. :clap:
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Postby Sacara » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 am

This has been accepted as Issue #1123, with the same name as it was submitted with.

Huge thanks to The Marsupial Illuminati for editing this, as well as everyone who helped during the drafting process. :)
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