ISSUE IDEA: Save Jeeboosh

by **Australian rePublic** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:44 am

Apparently many Arabs validate their claims of their countries by claiming to be decendant from the ancient peoples that inhabbitted their lands
Lebanon- The Phoenicians
Palestine- The Jebusites and other Cannanites
Turkey- The Hittites
Also, some people claim that the Aboriginals weren't the original inhabitants of Australia, thereby unintentionally discrediting any land rights
However, most of these groups can't prove it
I think this should be a good topic.

[title] Can't Swallow that Tablet

[desc] An ancient city-state called Jeevoosh had been rumored to exist within the territory of @@NAME@@, but the evidence for Jeevoosh is sketchy at best. Recently, archaeologists discovered stone tablets in the border town of Red Hill. Written in a language which seems to be the ansestor of Modern Lilliputian, the tablets are an epic poem with a plot similar to the famous Lilliputian epic, "The King of Books."

[validity]Co-Authored by Australian rePublic and Radical Islamic Buddhism, must allow private property

[option] "This land is mine. God gave this land to me," crows @@RANDOMNAME@@, the ambassador from Lilliput. He stops singing and proudly shouts, "There has long been a theory that Jeevoosh was the missing link between prehistoric cultures and modern Lilliputian culture. Now, we have proof in the language and literature! They even put the Jeevooshian tablet on display in the town square, so obviously the people still retain sooo much of their traditional Jeevooshian culture. Free Jeevoosh to where it belongs, and Lilliput shall have its heritage back! Plus, it'll show international goodwill and peaceful cooperation between our nations."
[effect] aggressive foreign countries have annexed 90% of @@NAME@@’s territory by claiming their ancestors lived there 3000 years ago.

[option] "These claims are totally baseless!" sneers @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Patriotism. "Red Hill is formally recognized as a part of our country, and Lilliput is violating our territorial integrity. Everyone knows the Lilliputians are from the mountains on the opposite end of @@REGION@@! Further, all the local tribes in the area spoke Ancient Lilliputian, even the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ ones. Modern Lilliputian evolved after the mass migration of the Liliputians. And even if they used to be Jeevooshians, they're not anymore and are just doing this in order to legitimize their blatant imperialism! Why are we even taking them seriously, @@LEADER@@?"
[effect] burning land deeds and claiming nobody ever owned the land has replaced eminent domain in @@NAME@@.

[option] "That's not enough, @@LEADER@@," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, the Minster of Extreme Patriotism. The people of Red Hill celebrate the myth of a powerful, mythical city-state for fun by showing off this random old rock with letters on it, but now it looks like we might lose the whole town of Red Hill because of this stupid myth. Put an end to it! I propose we ban all references to Jeevooshian culture or any ancient culture some idiot country can use to claim our land! Nobody cares if your linguistic ancestors lived there millennia ago!" @@HE@@ throws a @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag at you as @@HE@@ leaves the room.
[effect] ancient history is no longer included in textbooks.

[option] Cheep Haggles, a so-called 'compromise enthusiast,' stumbles into your room, looking extremely exhausted. "Uhhh, ya know what…oh, I'm so tired…why don't we just rename it Jeevoosh and make the town autonomous?" Cheep yawns loudly and continues, "That way, both countries are happy and the citizens get freedom to acknowledge the great history behind that part of @@NAME@@..." Cheep falls asleep on the floor.
[effect] liberty-lovers across @@NAME@@ have opened up an industry for creating fake ancient monuments.

[option] "Let’s just chill," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Creative Solutions, while drawing lines all over your office. "According to the tablet, the flag of Jeevoosh was fully purple to show off the city's wealth. Incidentally, half the houses in Red Hill are purple! Let's give the purple houses to Lilliput to show our respect for their heritage, and let's keep the non-purple houses. What could possibly go wrong?!"
[effect] children are stopped at border checkpoints 200 times on their way to school.

by **Chipu** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:46 am

Is there a policy for "no military"?
If so, then the issue should be invalid if that policy is present (that is, if it exists)

by **Trotterdam** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:55 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Also, some people claim that the Aboriginals weren't the original inhabitants of Australia, thereby unintentionally discrediting any land rights
However, most of these groups can't prove it

"We've been here for tens of thousands of years" is a pretty good basis for claiming land rights, even if you're technically not the very first people to live there.

Most places on Earth have changed hands enough time that who were actually the very first settlers, if we can even determine such a thing, is hardly relevant. Besides, in many cases, the true first settlers have long since been either genocided or culturally assimilated into later conquerors.

Also, see #1048.

by **Krogon** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 am

Saying that @@NAME@@ conquered this land infringes on player made history.

by **Australian rePublic** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:00 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Also, some people claim that the Aboriginals weren't the original inhabitants of Australia, thereby unintentionally discrediting any land rights
However, most of these groups can't prove it
"We've been here for tens of thousands of years" is a pretty good basis for claiming land rights, even if you're technically not the very first people to live there.

Most places on Earth have changed hands enough time that who were actually the very first settlers, if we can even determine such a thing, is hardly relevant. Besides, in many cases, the true first settlers have long since been either genocided or culturally assimilated into later conquerors.

Also, see #1048.

Hey, it's not my argument

by **Australian rePublic** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:04 am

Krogon wrote:Saying that @@NAME@@ conquered this land infringes on player made history.

Why? Why does a war from centuries prior effect player autonomy in modern times

by **Aclion** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:52 am

You could be vague and say the lands were conquered and the city is now part of @@NAME@@. That way players still have freedom to interpret how this came to be.

by **USS Monitor** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:15 am

Is the city Jeeboosh or Jeevoosh?

Also, I've noticed that you put a lot of made-up names in your drafts. I think you should cut back a little. Not necessarily take it out of this draft, but just cut back in general.

by **Krogon** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:41 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Krogon wrote:Saying that @@NAME@@ conquered this land infringes on player made history.

Why? Why does a war from centuries prior effect player autonomy in modern times

Many nations, like myself, have an entire world and history. This absolutely infringes on autonomy.

by **Australian rePublic** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:35 pm

Krogon wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Why? Why does a war from centuries prior effect player autonomy in modern times

Many nations, like myself, have an entire world and history. This absolutely infringes on autonomy.

And you mean to tell that in an entire space of centuries of centuries, your nation has never invaded anyone, not even once? And if you say "yes, but not Jeevoosh", then how does this issue affect autonomy more than any other issue? Including those involving indigenous populations? There are many issues which assume your nations history, many of which assume indegenous populations, including one which was written by yours truely. (0664, 0129, 1048, 969, 457, etc. etc.). There are many issues which assume the opposite, too, that the majority population of @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ have populated @@NAME@@ for centuries. So basically, the issue base contradicts itself. If we can have both types of history placed and cannonised in the issue base, why can't assume about the outcome of one specific war which happened centuries prior?

by **Pogaria** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 pm

Jeevooshits

Yeah, we can't use that name. I strongly suggest that you change it.

by **Krogon** » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:12 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Krogon wrote:
Many nations, like myself, have an entire world and history. This absolutely infringes on autonomy.

And you mean to tell that in an entire space of centuries of centuries, your nation has never invaded anyone, not even once? And if you say "yes, but not Jeevoosh", then how does this issue affect autonomy more than any other issue? Including those involving indigenous populations? There are many issues which assume your nations history, many of which assume indegenous populations, including one which was written by yours truely. (0664, 0129, 1048, 969, 457, etc. etc.). There are many issues which assume the opposite, too, that the majority population of @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ have populated @@NAME@@ for centuries. So basically, the issue base contradicts itself. If we can have both types of history placed and cannonised in the issue base, why can't assume about the outcome of one specific war which happened centuries prior?

Is it really so hard to change this issue to reflect on player autonomy?

Also, indigenous tribes does not infringe on player autonomy. An entire war, on the other hand, does.

Also, you need to change Jeevoshits.

You also assume Southwell is a name of a city??? Why, why not use @@CAPITAL@@???

It also assumes that slavery was once legal.

#1048 also hugely overlaps with this issue.

By the way, apologies if I sound at all rude.

by **Australian rePublic** » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:09 am

Pogaria wrote:
Jeevooshits

Yeah, we can't use that name. I strongly suggest that you change it.

It was a play on "Jebusites". Looks like I need to change it. Thanks

by **Radical Islamic Buddhism** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:13 am

As for the Jeevooshits, name them Jeevooshites or Jeevooshians, although Jeevooshites are my fav. I would also infringe on autonomy less. I suppose you can assume Jeevoosh existed long ago, but not that the nation conquered it.

[title] Save Jeevoosh

[desc] In ancient times, Jeevoosh was a city-state inhabited by the Jeevooshites. However, after thousands of years of history, Jeevoosh is currently within the territory of @@NAME@@ and the location of the ancient kingdom is now a modern city near the border called @@ANIMAL@@stan. The Blackacreans claim to be descendents of the Jeevooshites and are demanding that @@NAME@@ give them their land back.

[validity] all, I guess

[option] "We praise Jeevoosh, God gave this land of heritage to us," crows @@RANDOMNAME@@, the ambassador from Blackacre, apparently singing Blackacre's national anthem. He stops singing and proudly shouts, "Centuries ago, this land was ours, but now it happens to be under your control, and the people have assimilated into @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ culture! However, half the people still celebrate their ancient holidays and sing Jeevooshite folk songs! Free Jeevoosh, @@LEADER@@, free Jeevoosh!"
[effect] Anyone can steal someone else's land by claiming their ancesters owned it 3000 years ago.

[option] "Our national anthem says it too," sneers @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Patriotism. "From the water to Jeevoooooosh," he happily sings to the tune. "You see, @@LEADER@@, these scumbags will find any excuse to take our land! They don't even have any proof that they're Jeevooshites! I mean everyone knows Blackacreans come from the mountains on the opposite end of @@REGION@@! Besides, Blackacre didn't even exist until long after the ancient Happy Loman Empire conquered Jeevoosh."
[effect] Burning land purchase records and claiming nobody ever owned the land has replaced eminent domain in @@NAME@@.

[option] "Why don't we share the land?" asks your Minister of Creative Solutions, drawing lines all over your office. "We'll just split @@ANIMAL@@stan according to ethnicity, and then everyone will be happy. The homes of the descendants of Jeevooshites will be part of Blackacre, and the homes of @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@ will belong to @@NAME@@. What could possibly go wrong?"
[effect] Children are stopped at border checkpoints 200 times on their way to school. OR IF YOU LIKE THIS BETTER In a multiethnic family, the kitchen is a DMZ.

by **The Free Joy State** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:28 am

Glad Aussie has planned to change the name.

Radical Islamic Buddhism wrote:As for the Jeevooshits, name them Jeevooshites or Jeevooshians, although Jeevooshites are my fav.

I'd say it's also a flat "no" on "Jevooshites", and anything with "shit" or "shite" at the end.

Aussie, I suggest that you try a completely different name.

by **Radical Islamic Buddhism** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:39 am

but you can change the names and whatever, I changed a few other things such as grammar and the story.

[title] Save Jeevoosh

[desc] In ancient times, Jeevoosh was a city-state inhabited by the Jeevooshians. However, after thousands of years of history, Jeevoosh is currently within the territory of @@NAME@@ and the location of the ancient kingdom is now a modern city near the border called @@ANIMAL@@stan. The Blackacreans claim to be descendents of the Jeevooshians and are demanding that @@NAME@@ give them their land back.

[validity] all, I guess

[option] "We praise Jeevoosh, God gave this land of heritage to us," crows @@RANDOMNAME@@, the ambassador from Blackacre, apparently singing Blackacre's national anthem. He stops singing and proudly shouts, "Centuries ago, this land was ours, but now it happens to be under your control, and the people have assimilated into @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ culture! However, half the people still celebrate their ancient holidays and sing Jeevooshian folk songs! Free Jeevoosh, @@LEADER@@, free Jeevoosh!"
[effect] Anyone can steal someone else's land by claiming their ancesters owned it 3000 years ago.

[option] "Our national anthem says it too," sneers @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Patriotism. "From the water to Jeevoooooosh," he happily sings to the tune. "You see, @@LEADER@@, these scumbags will find any excuse to take our land! They don't even have any proof that they're Jeevooshians! I mean everyone knows Blackacreans come from the mountains on the opposite end of @@REGION@@! Besides, Blackacre didn't even exist until long after the some ancient country conquered Jeevoosh."
[effect] Burning land purchase records and claiming nobody ever owned the land has replaced eminent domain in @@NAME@@.

[option] "Why don't we share the land?" asks your Minister of Creative Solutions, drawing lines all over your office. "We'll just split @@ANIMAL@@stan according to ethnicity, and then everyone will be happy. The homes of the descendants of Jeevooshians will be part of Blackacre, and the homes of @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@ will belong to @@NAME@@. What could possibly go wrong?"
[effect] Children are stopped at border checkpoints 200 times on their way to school. OR IF YOU LIKE THIS BETTER In a multiethnic family, the kitchen is a DMZ.

by **The Free Joy State** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:51 am

Welcome Radical Islamic Buddhism. GI always welcomes new faces.

It's not polite, however, to rewrite someone's entire issue without including explanations as to why you think things need changing.

And many of your suggestions (such as a national anthem -- for which you suggest the lyrics) both require a validity and impinge on player autonomy (many players have their own anthem in mind, or at least a version of it -- and not every nation has an anthem).

I would be very annoyed if you told me what my anthem was.

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:10 pm

Pogaria wrote:
Jeevooshits

Yeah, we can't use that name. I strongly suggest that you change it.

Thanks!

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:15 pm

Krogon wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:And you mean to tell that in an entire space of centuries of centuries, your nation has never invaded anyone, not even once? And if you say "yes, but not Jeevoosh", then how does this issue affect autonomy more than any other issue? Including those involving indigenous populations? There are many issues which assume your nations history, many of which assume indegenous populations, including one which was written by yours truely. (0664, 0129, 1048, 969, 457, etc. etc.). There are many issues which assume the opposite, too, that the majority population of @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ have populated @@NAME@@ for centuries. So basically, the issue base contradicts itself. If we can have both types of history placed and cannonised in the issue base, why can't assume about the outcome of one specific war which happened centuries prior?

Is it really so hard to change this issue to reflect on player autonomy?

Also, indigenous tribes does not infringe on player autonomy. An entire war, on the other hand, does.

Also, you need to change Jeevoshits.

Thanks

You also assume Southwell is a name of a city??? Why, why not use @@CAPITAL@@???

Because if you give @@CAPITAL@@ away, it will f**k over half the issue base. You need to use a city which isn't used in any other issue

It also assumes that slavery was once legal.

Thanks

#1048 also hugely overlaps with this issue.

I don't believe that it does. The difference between #1048 and this issue is that 1048 KNOWS who the indegenous peoples are. This issue doesn't

By the way, apologies if I sound at all rude.

Not at all.

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:56 pm

Radical Islamic Buddhism wrote:but you can change the names and whatever, I changed a few other things such as grammar and the story.

[title] Save Jeevoosh

[desc] In ancient times, Jeevoosh was a city-state inhabited by the Jeevooshians. However, after thousands of years of history, Jeevoosh is currently within the territory of @@NAME@@ and the location of the ancient kingdom is now a modern city near the border called @@ANIMAL@@stan. The Blackacreans claim to be descendents of the Jeevooshians and are demanding that @@NAME@@ give them their land back.

[validity] all, I guess

[option] "We praise Jeevoosh, God gave this land of heritage to us," crows @@RANDOMNAME@@, the ambassador from Blackacre, apparently singing Blackacre's national anthem. He stops singing and proudly shouts, "Centuries ago, this land was ours, but now it happens to be under your control, and the people have assimilated into @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ culture! However, half the people still celebrate their ancient holidays and sing Jeevooshian folk songs! Free Jeevoosh, @@LEADER@@, free Jeevoosh!"
[effect] Anyone can steal someone else's land by claiming their ancesters owned it 3000 years ago.

[option] "Our national anthem says it too," sneers @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Patriotism. "From the water to Jeevoooooosh," he happily sings to the tune. "You see, @@LEADER@@, these scumbags will find any excuse to take our land! They don't even have any proof that they're Jeevooshians! I mean everyone knows Blackacreans come from the mountains on the opposite end of @@REGION@@! Besides, Blackacre didn't even exist until long after the some ancient country conquered Jeevoosh."
[effect] Burning land purchase records and claiming nobody ever owned the land has replaced eminent domain in @@NAME@@.

[option] "Why don't we share the land?" asks your Minister of Creative Solutions, drawing lines all over your office. "We'll just split @@ANIMAL@@stan according to ethnicity, and then everyone will be happy. The homes of the descendants of Jeevooshians will be part of Blackacre, and the homes of @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@ will belong to @@NAME@@. What could possibly go wrong?"
[effect] Children are stopped at border checkpoints 200 times on their way to school. OR IF YOU LIKE THIS BETTER In a multiethnic family, the kitchen is a DMZ.

Wow this is excellent. You're officially my co-author for this issue! Excellent, excellent, excellent! Great job. However, I have a few concerns:
1. Option 1- I never intended for the song to be Blackacre's national anthem. The song which the person's singing is "This Land is Mine"- The Exodus Song and is refering to God freeing the Hebrew slaves from Egypt, giving them the land of Israel. However, in this context, a better use of the song will be the better known version of the song is Nina Paley's use of it, from her film "Exodus" where she uses the song to depict the various wars in Jerusalem over the past few millenia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo). (CAUTION: Lots of cartoon violence). Given that the war between Israel and Palestine was part of the inspiration for this (the other part was the Old Testament, I'll get to that later), I would like to use that song as a reference. Basically, the person in option and the person in option 2 are both singing "This Land Is Mine- The Exodus Song" not a national anthem.

Option 2- Option 2- Blackacre didn't even exist until well after WE conquered Jeevoosh. Which is the point. @@NAME@@ conqured Jeevoosh, and Blackacre claims that they're Jeevoosh, so when they gained their independence, they formed the entire new country of Blackacre. The Turks claim that Asia-Minor belongs to them based on the fact that they're descendant from the Hitites would, by definition mean that Turkey wasn't formed till WELL AFTER the Hittite empire ceased to exist. However, the Greeks would argue that the Turks came from Central Asia, rather than the Hittites. If the Hittites continued to exist, then we would know the fate of their empire, their people and their descendants, and we would know whether or not Turkey's claims to be descendants from the Hittites are true. The same applies to Israel and Palestine. The Bible states that God told the Israelites to conquer the city of Jebus, from the Jebusites. The Isralites did conquer Jebus and renamed it Jerusalem. The Palestinians claims to be descendant from the Jebusites because Jebus was wipped off the map. Had Jebus continued to exist, we would have known the fate of their decendants and we would be able to verify Palestine's claim to be decendant from them. Which brings me to my next point...

Option 3- I don't think that this option will work the way it is now, sorry. The entire point of the issue is that WE DON'T KNOW who the descendants of the Jeevoshians are. Do their decendants still exist? We don't know. Did their decendants become @@DENONYMPLURAL@@, we don't know. Did their descendants become Blackacreans? We don't know. Did Jeevoosh ever exist? We don't know. Where do the Blackacreans come from? We don't know

This relates to the story of Jebus from the Bible. Did Jebus ever exist? If you believe the Bible, then yes, it did. What happened to the Jebusites? We don't know. All we know is that weren't whipped out entirely. Did they become part of wider Israeli society? We don't know. Did they eventually form their own new country,well according to Palestine, yes, yes they did, and that country is Palestine. According to Israel, no, no they didn't. Did the Jebusites exist? Well if you don't believe, then we don't know. We don't know whether or not they even existed. Where did Palestine come from? Well according to the Palestinians, they're decendant from the Jebusites and other Cannonite tribes named in the Bible. According to Israel, they came from other parts of the Middle East. Who's right? We don't know! That's the point of this issue, we don't know. The same applies to Jeevosh in this issue. We don't know what happened to them, and we don't know where Blackacre comes from. Therefore, we can't give the land owned by the Jeevoshians to the Blackacreans, because we don't know who the Jeevooshians are. Where did the Blackacreans come from? We don't know? Are the Blackacreans the Jeevoshians? We don't know. Some Lebanese people claim to be descendant from the Phoenicians. Are their claims true? We don't know. What happened to the Phoenicians? We don't know. And that's what distinguishes this issue from every other issue about indigenous populations in that, in every other issue, we are well aware of who the indigenous peoples are in. In this issue, we don't, and the lack of records into these ancient groups. The lack of knowledge of who the Jeevooshites are is the prime theme of the issue, as oppose to who the land belongs to which is a secondary theme. This could also apply to other groups. For example, we know very well that the modern day English are decendant from a combination of Celts, Anglos, Saxans, Normans and Vikings. We know that modern-day white Americans are decendant from a combination of Germans, Brits, Native Americans, etc. We know very well that Black Americans are decendant from many African nations. Where does every individual Englishperson trace his or her origin to? The Celts? The Anglos? The Saxons? The Vikings? The Normans? A combination? Don't know, doesn't matter. In either case it doesn't matter, he/she is English. Where does an individual white American trace his/her ansestry to? Germany? Britain? We don't know, and it doesn't matter. He/she is American, etc. etc. etc. The only reason why is does matter in this situation is that @@NAME@@ and Blackacre both claim to be the legitimate occupiers of the disputed land.

And that's before you consider that cross-racial breeding would make option 3 a complete and utter logistical nightmare. I'm 30% Jeevooshian, 30% @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ and 40% other. Which land do I get. I'm 50% Jeevooshian, 50% @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@, which land do I get? I am neither, my grandparents migrated here. Which land do I get? etc.

Other than that, your draft is excellent, and I would be honoured to have you as a co-author. Let's work together and make this issue great

by **Krogon** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:00 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Krogon wrote:
Is it really so hard to change this issue to reflect on player autonomy?

Also, indigenous tribes does not infringe on player autonomy. An entire war, on the other hand, does.

Also, you need to change Jeevoshits.

Thanks

You also assume Southwell is a name of a city??? Why, why not use @@CAPITAL@@???

Because if you give @@CAPITAL@@ away, it will f**k over half the issue base. You need to use a city which isn't used in any other issue

i see your point, which i have to admit makes a whole lot of sense. Maybe use something like @@ANIMAL@@city or something? I don't like how specific it is.

It also assumes that slavery was once legal.

Thanks

#1048 also hugely overlaps with this issue.

I don't believe that it does. The difference between #1048 and this issue is that 1048 KNOWS who the indegenous peoples are. This issue doesn't

perhaps make this clearer?

By the way, apologies if I sound at all rude.

Not at all.

Good, you're much better at issue writing than I'll ever be so I don't wanna make an enemy with someone like you

by **Radical Islamic Buddhism** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:56 pm

Australian Republic - Wow, thank you! I never expected this but it sounds great! I'm actually really inspired by your issue as I am an uncreative loser myself who lacks issue ideas. Sorry if I rewrote your entire issue, I wanted to just edit it a bit in some weak places but went overboard and didn't expect this now. Anyways, let's see about some of these issues you present...

Option 1 - I don't know the Exodus song, so maybe you could just change back the song part to that and then for the speech say that the people of both @@ANIMAL@@stan and Blackacre enjoy the same folk music and that some people in @@ANIMAL@@stan claim Jeevooshian heritage as do Blackacreans, and the ambassador can point to that as evidence that the people of @@ANIMAL@@stan belong to Blackacre.

Option 2 - The national anthem infringes on autonomy according to The Free Joy State. Let's take out that part. Then there's the underlying structural issue of who the Jeevooshians are. You know, the history of the Jebushites better than I do, so I will trust you to rewrite this part. My guess is that it would be about how Blackacre has no claim but some distant tribe from ancient times, and they don't even actually know for sure they're descended from that, they just use the Jeevooshians as a sort of patriotic heritage to claim they really own that land.

Option 3 - Maybe this sounds sketchy, you think of editing it yourself or something, but maybe instead of that, they can split the city into people who claim Jeevooshian heritage and people who claim to be loyal @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@. However you want to phrase this, it should be like equivalent into splitting Jerusalem into Israel and Palestine with every person going to the nation to which they claim allegiance.

As for Jebushian history, we should just follow the two story lines. "We are descended from the Jeevooshians and this is our land" or "Blackacreans come from Blackacre and have no heritage left from some ancient people except for these baseless claims." Then the third compromise option of "whoever you claim to be descended to, you choose which nation you want to be in."

Also we can change @@ANIMAL@@stan although I personally like it now, some ideas: @@ANIMAL@@grad, @@LEADER@@ville, @@ANIMAL@@ville, or we can just use a name like Southwell - it doesn't seem to really infringe on autonomy as nations have many cities. But what we could do is @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@ville or something like that idk. I like @@ANIMAL@@stan and @@ANIMAL@@grad best because they're unique and interesting while ville and city are generic and boring.

Probably more pressing to autonomy is the fact that the city is at a border. Maybe someone wants to make @@NAME@@ an island nation? Let's just take that out and say it's a city somewhere in @@NAME@@.

by **USS Monitor** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:16 pm

Radical Islamic Buddhism wrote:I'm actually really inspired by your issue as I am an uncreative loser myself who lacks issue ideas.

You don't need to be so hard on yourself.

This forum can be a bit rough on your self-esteem if you aren't very confident to begin with. People need to tell each other what they are doing wrong because that's just part of the process. But I don't think anyone intended for you to walk away thinking you're a loser.

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:02 pm

Krogon wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Thanks

Because if you give @@CAPITAL@@ away, it will f**k over half the issue base. You need to use a city which isn't used in any other issue

i see your point, which i have to admit makes a whole lot of sense. Maybe use something like @@ANIMAL@@city or something? I don't like how specific it is.

@@ANIMAL@@ City has the same problem. It's already established in the issue base.

Thanks

I don't believe that it does. The difference between #1048 and this issue is that 1048 KNOWS who the indegenous peoples are. This issue doesn't

perhaps make this clearer?

Good point, thanks

Not at all.

Good, you're much better at issue writing than I'll ever be so I don't wanna make an enemy with someone like you

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Don't be so hard on yourself. When I first startedvout, I couldn't even spell "issue", now 1% of all of them have my name on them. It's not a matter of how you start out, I started out really shitty, it's a matter of developing into a good author. You do this by listening to advice, actively engaging with community, and practicing over and over again. Besides, you started out a lot better than I did

by **Australian rePublic** » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:58 am

Radical Islamic Buddhism wrote:Australian Republic - Wow, thank you! I never expected this but it sounds great! I'm actually really inspired by your issue as I am an uncreative loser myself who lacks issue ideas. Sorry if I rewrote your entire issue, I wanted to just edit it a bit in some weak places but went overboard and didn't expect this now. Anyways, let's see about some of these issues you present...

You're not a loser, you just need to find your spark. I am a really good ideas man, but I wasn't the best at putting them together. Nevertheless I improved, and so can you. Like I said, you just need to find your spark.

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Option 1 - I don't know the Exodus song, so maybe you could just change back the song part to that and then for the speech say that the people of both @@ANIMAL@@stan and Blackacre enjoy the same folk music and that some people in @@ANIMAL@@stan claim Jeevooshian heritage as do Blackacreans, and the ambassador can point to that as evidence that the people of @@ANIMAL@@stan belong to Blackacre.
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@@ANIMAL@@stan has the same problem as @@CAPITAL@-, in that @@ANIMAL@@ City is already cannon in the issue base

Option 2 - The national anthem infringes on autonomy according to The Free Joy State. Let's take out that part. Then there's the underlying structural issue of who the Jeevooshians are. You know, the history of the Jebushites better than I do, so I will trust you to rewrite this part. My guess is that it would be about how Blackacre has no claim but some distant tribe from ancient times, and they don't even actually know for sure they're descended from that, they just use the Jeevooshians as a sort of patriotic heritage to claim they really own that land.

Thanks

Option 3 - Maybe this sounds sketchy, you think of editing it yourself or something, but maybe instead of that, they can split the city into people who claim Jeevooshian heritage and people who claim to be loyal @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEPLURAL@@. However you want to phrase this, it should be like equivalent into splitting Jerusalem into Israel and Palestine with every person going to the nation to which they claim allegiance.

Most people wouldn't know/care. You could just have a divided city, like Niccossia or Jerasulem, or Berlin durin g the Cold War. The residents can decide where they live for themselves. Like I said, most wouldn't know/car

As for Jebushian history, we should just follow the two story lines. "We are descended from the Jeevooshians and this is our land" or "Blackacreans come from Blackacre and have no heritage left from some ancient people except for these baseless claims."

That's the plan
Then the third compromise option of "whoever you claim to be descended to, you choose which nation you want to be in."

Also we can change @@ANIMAL@@stan although I personally like it now, some ideas: @@ANIMAL@@grad, @@LEADER@@ville, @@ANIMAL@@ville, or we can just use a name like Southwell - it doesn't seem to really infringe on autonomy as nations have many cities. But what we could do is @@RANDOMLASTNAME@@ville or something like that idk. I like @@ANIMAL@@stan and @@ANIMAL@@grad best because they're unique and interesting while ville and city are generic and boring.
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Probably more pressing to autonomy is the fact that the city is at a border. Maybe someone wants to make @@NAME@@ an island nation?

Have had this discussion before. Have argued about island nations before. The general consensus it's safe to assume that @@NAME@@ has a land border

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