[DRAFT] Universal basic income for @@NAME@@?

by **Picuros** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:33 am

Draft 2.0

Title:
Basic income incoming?

Validity: Not available for nations without a welfare budget

[Description] Following @@NAME@@'s top economic analysts' prediction of the collapse of the nation's welfare system as we know it, there's been talk about a complete overhaul to avert the impending crisis - including the introduction of a universal basic income.

Options:
[Option] "Too right! We need a guaranteed income for everyone, and we need it quick!" Says @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, accompanied by his trophy wife and two children as he hops out of his SUV. "I believe it goes without saying that we should axe the current system to achieve this. If I'm going to be taxed like I am right now, I'd at least like *something* in return! Of course a basic income would apply to the unemployed as well, but being part of the upper middle class isn't easy, you know!" His wife and children nod in agreement.
[Effect] Starvation is plummeting while the rich enjoy their extra holiday a year.

[Option] In storms @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of @@NAME@@'s largest labor union, with a significant portion of the @@CAPITAL@@'s industrial workforce behind @@HIM@@. "Of course that's what *he* would say! The current welfare system is in place to help the less fortunate and it should keep on doing exactly that. Granting bourgeois pigs like mr. Money Bags over here a basic income is the easiest way to make the rich richer! Whatever happened to 'from each according to his ability, to each according to--'" @@HE@@'s cut off by the sound of @@HIS@@ eight squirming toddlers. "Anyway, our *need* is more money for welfare."
[Effect] Life expectancy is higher for the homeless than for retail workers.

[Option] "Please, everyone, hold your horses!" Pleads @@RANDOMNAME@@ amidst the escalating tensions. "The taxes. You haven't thought about the taxes, you parasites! The current welfare system has shown to be too large of a burden to be sustainable and a universal basic income is doomed to suffer the same fate. Besides, how is keeping people above the poverty line unconditionally going to tackle unemployment in any way? I say we just scrap it all and send the people a clear message -- an unemployed @@DEMONYM@@ is an unhappy @@DEMONYM@@."
[Effect] Inhabitants of @@NAME@@'s many concrete jungles don't see a penny from the emerging urban safari industry.

[Option] "By @@LEADER@@’s @@ANIMAL@@, I can't believe what I'm hearing!" Screams @@RANDOMNAME@@, the projected valedictorian of @@CAPITAL@@ University's graduating class this year. "I haven't even finished college yet and this is what you want to do to my future? The only reasonable option is a strong welfare system alongside universal basic income, no dilemma needed. Forget about the taxation, there's simply no alternative that ensures the well-being of every social class in @@NATIONNAME@@. I will not have me and my fellow students' fates decided by budget cuts!" @@HE@@ belts, before graduate caps get thrown all around.
[Effect] @@NAME@@ is thoroughly enjoying its high life standards before the taxpayer gets fed up.

Option 1 and 4 could introduce policy: universal basic income?

by **Hediacrana** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:56 am

Interesting idea. Will follow!

You don't need to include stat effects, the editors take care of that.

by **Picuros** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:57 am

Hediacrana wrote:Interesting idea. Will follow!

You don't need to include stat effects, the editors take care of that.

Thanks, had no idea, quite new to the forum! I'm just glad you didn't see any fundamental faults in it.

by **Candensia** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:04 am

I’ll drop a pointer or two in as well, then.

Your effect lines do not need capitalization at the beginning, nor punctuation at the end, the system does these things automatically.

Like this:

[effect] - this is a very funny example of how an effect line should look

Upon first glance, you do posses the writing ability required to write an issue. This fact bodes quite well for you.

by **Hediacrana** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:09 am

Picuros wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Interesting idea. Will follow!

You don't need to include stat effects, the editors take care of that.

Thanks, had no idea, quite new to the forum! I'm just glad you didn't see any fundamental faults in it.

Well, it looks like a pretty good start to me, but don't trust my opinion too much

I've haven't got a single accepted issue under my belt yet. You'll probably want to wait till a more experienced author or editor comes along.

by **Candensia** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:17 am

Surely we can come up with a better title, however.

Good titles are punny, shocking, contain a degree of wordplay, or otherwise capture the attention of the reader.

Something like “Basic Income Incoming?” or “Universal Income Incoming?”

EDIT: I beat USS Monitor to it.

by **USS Monitor** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:22 am

Can you think of a more interesting title? (EDIT: looks like Candensia beat me to it) I think this is a viable topic for an issue, but the presentation needs to be polished up a bit.

Says @@RANDOMNAME@@, accompanied by his trophy wife and two children as he hops out of his SUV.

In storms @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of @@NAME@@'s largest labor union, with a significant portion of the @@CAPITAL@@'s industrial workforce behind her.

@@RANDOMNAME@@ should be used with @@HE@@, @@HIS@@, @@HIM@@ not "he" or "her." It can give both male and female names, and you need the pronouns to change based on the name that comes up.

If you want this to be available to nations with no same sex marriage, then the first one should be @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@ and you can keep the male pronouns.

Hediacrana wrote:I've haven't got a single accepted issue under my belt yet.

I think you'll get there if you keep at it.

by **Picuros** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:50 am

USS Monitor wrote:Can you think of a more interesting title? (EDIT: looks like Candensia beat me to it) I think this is a viable topic for an issue, but the presentation needs to be polished up a bit.

@@RANDOMNAME@@ should be used with @@HE@@, @@HIS@@, @@HIM@@ not "he" or "her." It can give both male and female names, and you need the pronouns to change based on the name that comes up.

What's the actual process for improving your submission? More drafts and then wait till a mod likes it? Excuse my ignorance haha :lol2:

by **Hediacrana** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:19 am

Picuros wrote:What's the actual process for improving your submission? More drafts and then wait till a mod likes it? Excuse my ignorance haha

Basically, read the suggestions, keep working the ones that seem useful into newer drafts, till an experienced author or editor tells you that it's ready to go and/or no more new suggestions are made.

USS Monitor wrote:I think you'll get there if you keep at it.

Thanks for the encouragement.

by **USS Monitor** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:34 am

Picuros wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Can you think of a more interesting title? (EDIT: looks like Candensia beat me to it) I think this is a viable topic for an issue, but the presentation needs to be polished up a bit.

What's the actual process for improving your submission? More drafts and then wait till a mod likes it? Excuse my ignorance haha

Get feedback, write new drafts based on the feedback. (You don't have to use every suggestion; just think them over and use the ones that will make the draft better.) When it feels like the draft is as good as you can make it, or you start getting feedback saying, "This is really good; you should submit it," instead of pointing out stuff to fix, then you submit your issue.

Impressing the editors is more important than impressing the mods. Editors are the ones who review the submissions and choose which issues get added to the game. Some mods can edit issues, but in practice we aren't actively doing it and the editors are managing the issues game.

by **Aclion** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:38 pm

I notice that option one and option four aren't very different. Both are arguing for the implementation of a basic income while the effects for 4 are stronger. I think to distinguish between them more it would make sense for option one to argue for replacing the existing welfare systems with a basic income system. This is sort of implied already but it should be explicit. It also give a strong reason why someone like him would want a basic income system, it will cost less then the current welfare system(this doesn't need to be true necessarily, he just needs to believe it).

by **Sacara** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:02 pm

Honestly, I feel like this whole debate can be within one option. You should make the premise something along the lines of what you have right now, in which the welfare state will collapse, and one of the options can be to introduce UBI.

by **Jutsa** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:20 pm

Several attempts at a UBI issue have been made and submitted.
None've made it, though. All I can say is good luck.

by **Aclion** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:40 pm

Jutsa wrote:Several attempts at a UBI issue have been made and submitted.
None've made it, though. All I can say is good luck.

I wonder if this is an issue of quality or theres a technical issue that prevents UBI being represented acceptably.

by **USS Monitor** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:47 pm

Aclion wrote:
Jutsa wrote:Several attempts at a UBI issue have been made and submitted.
None've made it, though. All I can say is good luck.

I wonder if this is an issue of quality or theres a technical issue that prevents UBI being represented acceptably.

Usually if it's a technical problem, but a good quality issue, we just fudge it the best we can. If quality is borderline, then the difficulty of implementing it might tip the balance, but if quality is really good, then it's "make it work" time.

by **Evil Dictators Happyland** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:52 pm

Couldn't the effects of a UBI be represented by reducing the income of the rich and increasing the income of the poor, upping Income Equality without changing Average Income?

by **USS Monitor** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Couldn't the effects of a UBI be represented by reducing the income of the rich and increasing the income of the poor, upping Income Equality without changing Average Income?

No, because it raises everyone's income.

It might lower the disposable income of the rich, since it would raise their taxes, but it wouldn't lower their income.

iiWiki · by **Nouveau Yathrib** » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:17 pm

Jutsa wrote:Several attempts at a UBI issue have been made and submitted.
None've made it, though. All I can say is good luck.

What have been the problems with previous UBI issue attempts?

by **Picuros** » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:41 am

In my second draft, I changed the title to Candensia's punny "Basic Income Incoming?", I made the replacement of the welfare system with UBI in Issue 1 explicit instead of implicit, I correctly formatted the second and fourth issues' pronouns to be of both sexes while keeping the first one's male (for non-same-sex marriage nations to be eligible as well). Any more suggestions? I wanna thank you all for contributing because this first NS writing experience has been a very fun one for me

by **Australian rePublic** » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:23 am

Option 1- but wouldn't the upper middle class salary exceed the universal basic income?

by **USS Monitor** » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:34 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Option 1- but wouldn't the upper middle class salary exceed the universal basic income?

He'd be getting both his salary and the UBI.

by **Westerly Star** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:29 am

I was looking to see if someone had this idea and it looks like someone did! Fix this up a little using a more punny title and I think this could really work! :bow:

by **Jutsa** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:32 am

Wellh, I'm afraid this draft was last worked on 1.75 years ago. Actually, there've been a couple of drafts on UBI, I believe;
but thus far we haven't any accepted issues on the topic.

You could always work on one, yourself, but definitely refer back to existing threads for details as to why UBI drafts may not have panned out in the past.

by **Australian rePublic** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:38 am

If the welfare system is on the verge of collapse, how would giving out more welfare solve anything?

by **Westinor** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:21 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:If the welfare system is on the verge of collapse, how would giving out more welfare solve anything?

I think the idea here isn't to stack more welfare on top of existing welfare, but rather to redistribute funds back as UBI. At least, I believe that's the plan.

[DRAFT] Universal basic income for @@NAME@@?

[DRAFT] Universal basic income for @@NAME@@?

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