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[DRAFT]Serious Sirens Incite Sorrow

Postby Wabexer » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:15 pm

I have already published one issue (although under another nation) though it was almost five years ago, so I am still basically a novice. Any help would be much appreciated and I would like to contribute to this site again.

Description: Richer citizens of @@CAPITAL CITY@@ have been caught using blue flashing lights and sirens to bypass the laws of traffic and get where they want to go faster.

Validity: Not valid for nations where cars are banned, not valid for nations with unlimited speed roads.

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[option] “What? Just let me go about my day.” Grumbles an overweight man in a tracksuit who is also wearing several gold chains and a gold watch, as he squats in a chair in front of your desk. “I’m a busy chelloveck! I've got to be places if I want to keep my, err, “@@INDUSTRY@@” company running strong. I don't have time to observe all the tedious and arbitrary traffic laws like the rest of the rabble! Besides, it’s just a product, and if someone’s got the money to get where they want to go on time, they should be allowed to!” [effect] CEOs can be seen weaving between cars on their way to work.

[option] “Are you kidding me? These sirens are a symbol of the pig-dog bourgeoisie!” shouts mad-as-hell student activist @@FEMALE NAME@@, who is also somehow an overly concerned busybody mom. “Think of the children!” everyone else present noticeably rolled their eyes when she said this, “And the common man! These speeding fake official cars are in danger of hitting stray children, and a sign of the hideous decadence of this nation’s wealthy! No one should be above traffic laws, for Violet’s sake! I propose that individuals with a net worth over a million @@CURRENCY@@s be fined more than the average person for speeding. That'll show them for being capitalist leeches who hate children and probably baby ducks and puppies too!” [effect] Millionaires have suddenly taken to riding bikes or having their butlers drive them places.

[option] “I’ve got an even grander idea!” cries your cousin Janine, who has suddenly burst forth from a pile of old and dirty coats in the corner. “It’s always cars this, cars that, I’ve had enough of the degenerate “auto culture” in this country! It used to be that only the wealthy had cars—they were symbols of high culture, power, and status! But now there’s nothing separating the aristocracy from the unwashed masses. I propose we force all people who make under a million dollars a year to go around in electrically powered pedal cars! That way, they'll know their place...” she recedes back into the pile of coats while giving you a knowing smile and a wink. [effect] The streets are clogged by ridiculous vehicles caught somewhere horribly in between electric bicycles and cars.

[option] “OR, we could forget all that noise and give more funds to public transport!” cries your cousin Janine, who has suddenly burst forth from a pile of old and dirty coats in the corner. “It’s always cars this, cars that, I’ve had enough of the degenerate “auto culture” in this country! Always reminds me I'm too broke to afford one… Anyway, we should have a complete overhaul of our public transport system! That’ll definitely get more people to use it. Not only is it more eco-friendly, it’ll make me feel a little less self-conscious!” she recedes back into the pile of coats while giving you a knowing smile and a wink. [effect] The government has spent millions on making sure there’s no more gum or trash under the seats of its buses.

[option] Noted sycophant and Chief Strategist (who also happens to be your secretary) Reave Shannon chimes in, “Why don't we allow only government officials to use this service and ban everyone else? At least it wouldn't require a tax hike like that crackpot public transit campaign.” She says, shooting a withering look at the pile of old coats. “Besides,” she stretches out both hands to you with a look in her eyes that is at once manic and adoring, “we would, of course, have the biggest and loudest of sirens and the biggest and brightest of lights on your presidential motorcade, O Leader, O Lord Sovereign and Pantocrator!” [effect] Citizens flee in terror as the careening motorcade of @@LEADER@@ or any other government official can be heard from miles away.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:13 am

Wabexer wrote:Someone has already made a draft that was too similar to my own, so this has been scrapped.

Please put [ABANDONED] into the title of your OP. I came here under the impression that I had a serious siren issue to analyse! (Also, where is this other draft you speak of?)
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Postby Baggieland » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:26 am

Wabexer wrote:Someone has already made a draft that was too similar to my own, so this has been scrapped.


Okay mate. The premise is exactly the same, although there is some difference in the options.

If you would like to continue with this draft, then please do, I will abandon my draft (police prostitution), however, if you want to use some of my ideas in your draft, I would like that. I'm kind of busy in the editing room these days anyway. I'll keep my eye on this one as it goes through GI.

By the way, you don't need to include the stats in your draft. We editors do all that.

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Postby Wabexer » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 am

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Wabexer wrote:Someone has already made a draft that was too similar to my own, so this has been scrapped.

Please put [ABANDONED] into the title of your OP. I came here under the impression that I had a serious siren issue to analyse! (Also, where is this other draft you speak of?)

The other draft was Baggieland's "Police Prostitution". If I'm not mistaken, both of our issues are based off of the use of certain sirens and license plates in Russia that allow vehicles to essentially ignore the laws of traffic. Last I read, the practice has been banned for all non-government officials, however the plates are still widely sought after on the black market. However, Baggieland has been kind enough to cease work on their own issue so I may continue with mine. I will keep the [ABANDONED] part in mind for future reference, however, thank you very much for telling me!
Baggieland wrote:Okay mate. The premise is exactly the same, although there is some difference in the options.

If you would like to continue with this draft, then please do, I will abandon my draft (police prostitution), however, if you want to use some of my ideas in your draft, I would like that. I'm kind of busy in the editing room these days anyway. I'll keep my eye on this one as it goes through GI.

By the way, you don't need to include the stats in your draft. We editors do all that.

Thank you very much! This means a lot, I will continue work on it immediately! I'll do my best and I will look through yours again and see what I can incorporate, and I will remove the stats and leave that to you!

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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:45 am

Wabexer wrote:Last I read, the practice has been banned for all non-government officials, however the plates are still widely sought after on the black market.
...License plates on the black market? Does that work? I mean, I thought the point of license plates was to be easily identifiable, so owning one that is also contraband doesn't seem like a very smart move.

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Postby Wabexer » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:58 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Wabexer wrote:Last I read, the practice has been banned for all non-government officials, however the plates are still widely sought after on the black market.
...License plates on the black market? Does that work? I mean, I thought the point of license plates was to be easily identifiable, so owning one that is also contraband doesn't seem like a very smart move.

I know! The whole situation seems absurd and unsafe, almost like something the Onion would publish, so it’s prime NS material. I read about it here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/worl ... oscow.html
Special license plates that provide immunity from traffic rules are also coveted. These come in three series, beginning with AAA (called Annushkas, or little Annas), OOO (Olgas) and SSS (Svetlanas). Where to buy these is a hot topic on Russian blogs.

The whole package — a blue light, siren, license plate and supporting documents — sold on the black market for about $20,000 three years ago, according to an article published then by Novaya Gazeta, a muckraking Moscow newspaper. Now, about 7,500 cars in Russia have special plates or blue lights.

With the lights and special plates multiplying — and with companies like Business Car Service advertising on the Web — few believe every siren is whisking a public servant to important state business.

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Postby Krogon » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:26 pm

Wabexer wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:...License plates on the black market? Does that work? I mean, I thought the point of license plates was to be easily identifiable, so owning one that is also contraband doesn't seem like a very smart move.

I know! The whole situation seems absurd and unsafe, almost like something the Onion would publish, so it’s prime NS material. I read about it here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/worl ... oscow.html
Special license plates that provide immunity from traffic rules are also coveted. These come in three series, beginning with AAA (called Annushkas, or little Annas), OOO (Olgas) and SSS (Svetlanas). Where to buy these is a hot topic on Russian blogs.

The whole package — a blue light, siren, license plate and supporting documents — sold on the black market for about $20,000 three years ago, according to an article published then by Novaya Gazeta, a muckraking Moscow newspaper. Now, about 7,500 cars in Russia have special plates or blue lights.

With the lights and special plates multiplying — and with companies like Business Car Service advertising on the Web — few believe every siren is whisking a public servant to important state business.


I really like the issue, but keep in mind you're going to have to put a fallout, (but you probably already have that on your mind).

The issue desc also seems a bit lackluster, not to be rude, and I feel like it could be expanded upon. Something along these lines:

After several businessman have been pulled over after using police lights to avoid traffic, your Minister of Police has stumbled into your office a mess, explaining the situation. Several others with their own opinions have trailed behind him.

Like I said, I'm not saying to do exactly what I said, but just expand upon the description a bit. I'd also like to point out that the options feel a bit like writing from Harper Lee, if you know what I mean. In all her books she feels very pretentious. Don't get me wrong, I love her writing, but her style is a bit bland for me.

Either way, the execution and premise of the issue are wonderful. With a few more revisions, I can sense this issue will succeed.

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Postby Baggieland » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:56 pm

Trotterdam wrote:...License plates on the black market? Does that work? I mean, I thought the point of license plates was to be easily identifiable, so owning one that is also contraband doesn't seem like a very smart move.


Where I live, you can buy license plates on the side of the road.
Wabexer wrote:Thank you very much! This means a lot, I will continue work on it immediately! I'll do my best and I will look through yours again and see what I can incorporate, and I will remove the stats and leave that to you!


Looking forward to see how this develops. :)

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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:28 am

Why is it only the wealthy doing this? Fake sirens are cheap(ish)
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Postby The Sakhalinsk Empire » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:32 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Why is it only the wealthy doing this? Fake sirens are cheap(ish)

Maybe it came from the Police Prostitution thread, where wealthy(?) people paid for police escorts. It could also come from the original AAA/OOO/SSS license plates, which are expensive.
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Postby Newmanistan » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:39 am

Nations like mine have unlimited speed roads due to a prior issue.
Therefore the validity of this issue needs to consider that.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:27 am

The Sakhalinsk Empire wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Why is it only the wealthy doing this? Fake sirens are cheap(ish)

Maybe it came from the Police Prostitution thread, where wealthy(?) people paid for police escorts. It could also come from the original AAA/OOO/SSS license plates, which are expensive.

AAA/OOO/SSS?
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Postby Baggieland » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:31 am

Hi, option 1 is the people who abuse sirens and option 2 is the guy who wants to stop this abuse. Both are fine. However, option 3: better public transport has been done to death and isn't really connected to the premise. Option 4: only let government officials use this system is kinda obvious and what most countries do anyway. Consider replacing these last two options with a crazy option. Example the helicopter option in my draft is one idea, or someone else might give you better idea!

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Postby The Sakhalinsk Empire » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:33 am

Baggieland wrote:Hi, option 1 is the people who abuse sirens and option 2 is the guy who wants to stop this abuse. Both are fine. However, option 3: better public transport has been done to death and isn't really connected to the premise. Option 4: only let government officials use this system is kinda obvious and what most countries do anyway. Consider replacing these last two options with a crazy option. Example the helicopter option in my draft is one idea, or someone else might give you better idea!

No offense to your last idea, but I remember last time, not many people liked your crazy option.
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Postby Baggieland » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:07 am

The Sakhalinsk Empire wrote:No offense to your last idea, but I remember last time, not many people liked your crazy option.


The helicopter option wasn't in my original draft. It was suggested by other players in GI.

In fact it was Danganronpia who first suggested helicopters and most players seemed to really like that idea.

Besides that, I did give 'helicopters' as a suggested 3rd option, made it quite clear if the author has a better idea, or a better idea from another player, to go with that.
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Baggieland wrote:
The Sakhalinsk Empire wrote:No offense to your last idea, but I remember last time, not many people liked your crazy option.


The helicopter option wasn't in my original draft. It was suggested by other players in GI.

In fact it was Danganronpia who first suggested helicopters and most players seemed to really like that idea.

Besides that, I did give 'helicopters' as a suggested 3rd option, made it quite clear if the author has a better idea, or a better idea from another player, to go with that.

Oh ok. Just letting you know that people might not want to see that option again. However, I do agree that there needs to be a kind of crazy option.
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Postby Wabexer » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:52 pm

Baggieland wrote:Hi, option 1 is the people who abuse sirens and option 2 is the guy who wants to stop this abuse. Both are fine. However, option 3: better public transport has been done to death and isn't really connected to the premise. Option 4: only let government officials use this system is kinda obvious and what most countries do anyway. Consider replacing these last two options with a crazy option. Example the helicopter option in my draft is one idea, or someone else might give you better idea!

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Newmanistan wrote:Nations like mine have unlimited speed roads due to a prior issue.
Therefore the validity of this issue needs to consider that.

You would be disqualified! Thanks for pointing that out! To make roads have unlimited speed could ALSO be an option...
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Baggieland wrote:
The helicopter option wasn't in my original draft. It was suggested by other players in GI.

In fact it was Danganronpia who first suggested helicopters and most players seemed to really like that idea.

Besides that, I did give 'helicopters' as a suggested 3rd option, made it quite clear if the author has a better idea, or a better idea from another player, to go with that.

Oh ok. Just letting you know that people might not want to see that option again. However, I do agree that there needs to be a kind of crazy option.

Thank you for your advice! I will take this into account.

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Postby Baggieland » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:09 am

Wabexer wrote:Besides, it’s just a service, and if someone’s got the money to get where they want to go on time,


Wabexer wrote:Why don't we allow only government officials to use this service and ban everyone else?


Twice you talk of a 'service', but your introduction talks of people buying their own sirens and lights, which is a product, not a service.

I'm still not keen on your public transport option, it's really stretching the connection between the option and the intro. Also, if @@NAME@@ has the best public transport in the world, the rich would still take their cars.

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Postby Wabexer » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:24 am

Baggieland wrote:Where I live, you can buy license plates on the side of the road.

What country is this, if you don't mind me asking?

I liked the 'Reave Shannon' twist I added, but if you think the option is too much of a tautology, I'll remove it!

Alright! It's been revisited. I thought the absurd idea could be forcing regular citizens to travel around in Sinclair C5s. I think the wording could be better... so I'd like some advice on that. My apologies on the late response, I'm just beginning to find my balance at college and I'd gotten caught up with several things.

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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:36 am

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Newmanistan wrote:Nations like mine have unlimited speed roads due to a prior issue.
Therefore the validity of this issue needs to consider that.

You would be disqualified! Thanks for pointing that out! To make roads have unlimited speed could ALSO be an option...


A lack of speed limits doesn't mean people will pull over to let you pass the way they would for a cop with sirens.

On another note, I'd consider changing the title. The current one is kind of eh.
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Postby Wabexer » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:58 am

USS Monitor wrote:A lack of speed limits doesn't mean people will pull over to let you pass the way they would for a cop with sirens.

This it would be a tautology, no? If there are no speed limits, everyone is presumably driving as fast as possible, and the need to get from one place to another even faster is redundant, because you’d have to catch up with them in the first place.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:29 am

Wabexer wrote:If there are no speed limits, everyone is presumably driving as fast as possible,
On the contrary, if there are no legal speed limits, then the speeds people actually go at would be set by much more variable factors such as the engine power of their particular make of car, their personal confidence in their ability to control their car at such speeds, their ability to afford burning through fuel at a ridiculous rate, and so on. If there is a speed limit, then most people will cluster at driving just below the speed limit, but if there isn't, then speeds will be higher on average but also less consistent, so it wouldn't be uncommon to meet a bunch of cars going slower than you are.

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Trotterdam wrote:If there is a speed limit, then most people will cluster at driving just below the speed limit


I think you overestimate people's respect for the law. On interstates in the US, the speed limit is usually 55 or 65 MPH, but most people actually drive 70 or 80.
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Postby Sacara » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:43 am

USS Monitor wrote:I think you overestimate people's respect for the law. On interstates in the US, the speed limit is usually 55 or 65 MPH, but most people actually drive 70 or 80.
I can't tell you the last time I've seen someone go the speed limit on highways/interstates. Not even the cops.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:33 am

Sacara wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:I think you overestimate people's respect for the law. On interstates in the US, the speed limit is usually 55 or 65 MPH, but most people actually drive 70 or 80.
I can't tell you the last time I've seen someone go the speed limit on highways/interstates. Not even the cops.


When's the last time you got in a traffic jam and had to slow down for that?
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