Issue 545 - Expats on the Electoral Roll?

[VW53Aland]

I totally disagree with the outcome of this issue.

If people live and register in another country, they get voting rights in that country and they no longer hold those rights in the country they have left. This is pretty normal all over the world. The only exception that comes to my mind, after an incident in the Netherlands earlier this year, is: Turkey.
So, how is it that agreeing with common practise and not letting people who do not live or register in your country, raise corruption by 34%!?!?!?!

@admin/moderator: If this post in the wrong section, please move it to the proper section. I couldn't find the section where all issues are to be discussed. Thank you.

[Phydios]

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[Frieden-und Freudenland]

I totally disagree with the outcome of this issue.

If people live and register in another country, they get voting rights in that country and they no longer hold those rights in the country they have left. This is pretty normal all over the world. The only exception that comes to my mind, after an incident in the Netherlands earlier this year, is: Turkey.
So, how is it that agreeing with common practise and not letting people who do not live or register in your country, raise corruption by 34%!?!?!?!

@admin/moderator: If this post in the wrong section, please move it to the proper section. I couldn't find the section where all issues are to be discussed. Thank you.

Expats and citizens are different, though. I also find it weird that even 3rd generation Turkish immigrants in Europe can vote in the Turkish elections, even though they have never lived in Turkey except for brief vacations, and many of them don't even speak Turkish.

But how about Turkish expats who reside in a foreign country for a brief period?

That issue you mentioned is also about expats. Not about 3rd generation immigrants born and raised somewhere else.

[VW53Aland]

@Phydios: Thanks for your kind explanation.
And @Whoevermovedthistopic: Thank you.

But how about Turkish expats who reside in a foreign country for a brief period?

Danke für deine Erklärung.
If people are temporarily living and working abroad, they usually do not change their nationality. Most of the time, people are only allowed to do so for a limited amount of time also. They are still subject of the country they temporarily left and therefore still have the right to vote in that country. The problem with Turkey is that they think of all Turks as their citizens, even if they plan to never return to Turkey. (And the secondary problem is that the Dutch government apparently allows people to have two or more different nationalities - though I haven't figured out yet what my position/viewpoint is on that matter.)

However, I believe that if one leaves a country to go and live in another country for a longer period of time (or as far as oneself knows, maybe even for an infinite time with no plans to return in the foreseeable future), then one should be considered a subject of their new country and exchange their nationality, gain rights (incl. possibly the right to vote) in that new country, while losing their rights in their old country. One shouldn't be allowed to vote in every country they have ever visited.

[Trotterdam]

(And the secondary problem is that the Dutch government apparently allows people to have two or more different nationalities - though I haven't figured out yet what my position/viewpoint is on that matter.)

I don't think it's the Dutch government's business to decide who is or isn't allowed to have Turkish nationality.

Let the Dutch decide what it takes to have Dutch nationality and the Turkish decide what it takes to have Turkish nationality. If that leads to some overlap, then so be it. If some people are being granted Turkish nationality who really obviously shouldn't, then that's a Turkish problem for the Turkish government to solve.

[VW53Aland]

I don't think it's the Dutch government's business to decide who is or isn't allowed to have Turkish nationality.

No, not so specifically. But the Dutch government could decide whether or not they want to uphold a system in which people are allowed to have a say (by voting) in a country they are no longer part of. The Dutch government could enforce a "You can't have your cake and eat it"-policy. You are Dutch (on paper and have the same rights every Dutchman has) or you are not - it is as binary as that.

A government could make such a statement. Indeed, a government does not get to decide for another country's policies. But, to make a comparison, a government could for instance refuse to have a formal visit from a foreign president to make it clear they very much disapprove of that president's narcissistic, bigoted, omniphobic politics. ...even without getting to decide for that country's government. In a similar way, that government could disallow dual (or multiple) nationalities, to support the true Turkish people who should get what they (and they only) voted for.

[Bears Armed]

If people live and register in another country, they get voting rights in that country and they no longer hold those rights in the country they have left. This is pretty normal all over the world. The only exception that comes to my mind, after an incident in the Netherlands earlier this year, is: Turkey.

Not in Germany, until quite recently, though: German law on citizenship was originally based on ancestry rather than residence, so there were people -- many of them Turkish by ancestral nationality (and either Turks or Kurds by ethnicity], in fact -- whose families had been living in Germany for two or three generations but who were denied German citizenship.

[Trotterdam]

Not in Germany, until quite recently, though: German law on citizenship was originally based on ancestry rather than residence,

Way to convince people you're not Nazis, guys.

[Sanctaria]

Not in Germany, until quite recently, though: German law on citizenship was originally based on ancestry rather than residence,

Way to convince people you're not Nazis, guys.

Nothing to do with Naziism. Lazy comparison.

Irish citizenship is the same. Even if you're not resident, you can claim citizenship based on your ancestry.

[Frieden-und Freudenland]

Way to convince people you're not Nazis, guys.

Nothing to do with Naziism. Lazy comparison.

Irish citizenship is the same. Even if you're not resident, you can claim citizenship based on your ancestry.

I think you got it backwards here. Bears Armed means that Germany used this to avoid giving citizenship to immigrant kids born in Germany - not to give German citizenship to people with German ancestry who did not reside in Germany.