NationStates issue results

[TalAkMaChen]

1570,3 yoga studios are being converted into yoga research labs

[Name 0]

May I know what things to avoid to bring arms manufacturing up? My arms is suddenly going down from 43.6k to 43.1k.

[TalAkMaChen]

1571,1 meetings involving club finances are frequently broken up by men in black suits
1571,3 it turns out you can put a price on sporting integrity
1571,4 die-hard fans excitedly cheer when the queen takes a rook

[Rocain Founder]

I note that issues #365 and #626 have not been updated in the database for the atheism-related changes I noted in the Issue Spoilers thread a day or two ago. This may have been intentional, but due to my posting those changes as edits, you may have missed them. I admit that in the case of #626, not knowing the text for the inserted issue might be a problem.

[Trotterdam]

This may have been intentional, but due to my posting those changes as edits, you may have missed them.

If you edit a post, the thread isn't marked as "updated", so I don't see it.

Issue posts are probably worth making as full posts each time, even if that means double-posting. Each issue is relatively long, so it's not like the annoying habit of spamming a lot of one-line posts.

Another tip: so long as your post is the last post currently in the thread, instead of editing it, you can completely delete it, then repost it with added content. This has a similar effect to editing it, but doesn't show the "last edited on..." line on the bottom, and does mark the thread as updated. (If your post isn't the last post currently in the thread, then it's an even worse idea to edit it instead of creating a new one, unless you're doing something minor like fixing a typo.)

I have tweaked the two issues you mentioned now. I do wonder about the effect line for the new option on #365. "Choir-boys" doesn't technically have to mean religious ones, but in-context it does seem to reference a specifically Christian tradition, not secular boy bands (for one thing, it would be far less funny if they were doing it). However, I haven't spotted any other effect lines that could be relevant, so I guess the same line might nonetheless have been kept for the atheist version.

[TalAkMaChen]

Yikes, this will be quite a hunt. About 83 changes? So far only a handful were found, I guess I also need to update my programs to try and keep track. Goodbye, easy times!

Trotterdam, did your programs already collect many new fallout lines or do they mostly appear as duplicates like in issue #1?

[Trotterdam]

Trotterdam, did your programs already collect many new fallout lines or do they mostly appear as duplicates like in issue #1?

Mostly duplicates. I only have two new lines, one of which is obviously #1204, and one of which I suspect but am less confident is #728.

Not counting brand-new issues like #1570 and #1571, of course. No signs of #1572 yet.

[Name 0]

Some corrections in mwq.dds.nl,

In issue #340,

1. Corporate innovation has effectively ended since ideas can no longer be owned

Arms manufacturing: (+275.1)
Automobile manufacturing: (-46.56)
Basket weaving: (-109.88)

many more

[Trotterdam]

Some corrections in mwq.dds.nl,

Some corrections in your behavior:

Please stop posting in this thread. Forever.

[TalAkMaChen]

I think that confirms your suspicion on 1204
1204,2 (inserted between old 1 and 2): - for clarity: the old options are now 1, 3 and 4
A secret Violetist community celebrates bombshells being dropped on @@NAME@@.

626,5 is the same as 626,4 -> edit in light of Trotterdam's reply in the spoiler: Either the effect lines of 626,5 and 626,4 are the same, or 626,4 got moved to 626,5 and one word ("religious") removed from its option.

[TalAkMaChen]

A bit disapointing: 728,6 is also
ritual mummification is making a comeback

1432 new option 4 as alternative to 3 also gives the same line,
religion makes people horny

(136,4 is already on your list, I see)

[Trotterdam]

A bit disapointing: 728,6 is also
ritual mummification is making a comeback

Okay, so that confirms that the effect line that I thought might be #728 wasn't. Nonetheless, there is some new effect line, that is presumably an edit to an old issue since it's all on its own rather than being paired with other new effect lines. But it doesn't particularly resemble any existing effect line I can think of.

[TalAkMaChen]

#40 now has theses 6 lines (opt 3 got cloned for atheist nations as new opt 4)
1. funding for education has been redirected into the military
2. the education system has gotten a recent boost in spending
3. the government spends millions of tax @@CURRENCYPLURAL@@ on vouchers to pay for expensive private schools
4. the government spends millions of tax @@CURRENCYPLURAL@@ on vouchers to pay for expensive private schools
5. students returning from overseas study are questioning the status quo
6. scholars are leaving the country at an alarming rate

Nonetheless, there is some new effect line, that is presumably an edit to an old issue since it's all on its own rather than being paired with other new effect lines. But it doesn't particularly resemble any existing effect line I can think of.

I now keep track of which options I answer, but only since Monday. I guess my sample size is still too small to check which of those new lines I might have already seen/triggered.

[TalAkMaChen]

-- repost:
1572,2 flamethrower-toting soldiers are also equipped with fire blankets and extinguishers
1572,4 global warming is being combated via global eradication

--- new: update on #482:
the full list looks now like:

1. acrimonious legal battles result during divorce proceedings
2. government-funded marriage counseling is showing very limited success
3. long-wed spouses often regret proposals they made when they were twenty
4. long-wed spouses often regret proposals they made when they were twenty
5. mandatory spouse selection pairs elderly apparatchiki with stunningly beautiful supermodels

I just checked at the Atheists at war_dogs_cdxci where I answered with the 4th option, apparently I didn't report it here. But now it's updated

[TalAkMaChen]

Update:

#310 Too Little Talk?
1. a recent political debate came to a quick close once the ruling party decreed it was "just plain silly"
2. multiple polls have christened the newly-formed Filibuster Committee as "the least efficient government bureaucracy"
3. multiple polls have christened the newly-formed Filibuster Committee as "the least efficient government bureaucracy"
4. a determined opposition debates the relative benefits of Arial and Times New Roman for days on end

Your sources got that switch wrong. The correct alternatives are 1/2, not 2/3, so it actually is:

#310 Too Little Talk?
1. a recent political debate came to a quick close once the ruling party decreed it was "just plain silly"
2. a recent political debate came to a quick close once the ruling party decreed it was "just plain silly"
3. multiple polls have christened the newly-formed Filibuster Committee as "the least efficient government bureaucracy"
4. a determined opposition debates the relative benefits of Arial and Times New Roman for days on end

[Trotterdam]

Fixed.

If you can, please report the full text of options 1 and 2 in the spoiler thread. No-one's ever actually confirmed what's up with those.

[TalAkMaChen]

Fixed.

If you can, please report the full text of options 1 and 2 in the spoiler thread. No-one's ever actually confirmed what's up with those.

For #310? I added the current versions in my "part 2" of the report on page 308.

[TalAkMaChen]

#639 has the new option 3: octogenarian models insist that they've still got it
Options are shifted as completed by my list.

[Trotterdam]

Ah, so you think it's not just for nations with compulsory nudity, but normal nations with high nudity can get the no-swimsuit version too? Interesting.

If that's the case, I'll probably get it myself sooner or later...

Then again, how did you puppet get over 1000 Nudity without making it compulsory? I've been promoting nudity since this nation has existed and can barely beat 200. Did you maybe have compulsory nudity for women only, or something?

[TalAkMaChen]

Ah, so you think it's not just for nations with compulsory nudity, but normal nations with high nudity can get the no-swimsuit version too? Interesting.

If that's the case, I'll probably get it myself sooner or later...

Then again, how did you puppet get over 1000 Nudity without making it compulsory? I've been promoting nudity since this nation has existed and can barely beat 200. Did you maybe have compulsory nudity for women only, or something?

Checking back on the Nudity rating history of that nation I assume it did have the compulsory nudism policy until several months ago but didn't lose much of the rating. I don't really track how policies and ratings change in these nations, I just want to cover a lot of combinations - and even then I don't see every option like that well-hidden mystery of 910,3.

If I chose e.g. 295,3 (nude ladies, dressed gents) there then I don't recall/note it - but the listed tracked decline of about 500 in nudity I can't imagine that happened.

[Trotterdam]

If I chose e.g. 295,3 (nude ladies, dressed gents) there then I don't recall/note it - but the listed tracked decline of about 500 in nudity I can't imagine that happened.

Point. So that made me wonder which options can repeal the Nudism policy without giving the usual -1000 to the Nudity score. And it turns out... there actually are a lot. Honestly, this looks like a bug resulting from Nudism being a pseudo-policy. Issue options that intentionally repeal compulsory nudity on issues that are specifically about that subject tend to give the expected effect, but issues that accidentally repeal the policy as a side effect of increased clothing freedom (sometimes even freedom to not wear clothes - there are four issue options that strictly increase the Nudity score, but still repeal compulsory Nudism) neglect to do so.

In practice, your puppet probably does still have compulsory nudism, but the overworked bureaucrats at the World Census bureau are so confused as to what's going on in your crazy nation that they failed to properly record it.

[Rocain Founder]

One of the many changes documented by TalAkMaChen in this post is that option 2 of issue #502 has been cloned, creating a new option 3 for very secular nations. One of my puppets has now confirmed this. The database needs to be updated to reflect this change. I don't see any reason that the new option should have a different talking point, which means simply that in the database entry for this issue, 2 should become 2/3 and 3/4 should become 4/5.

[TalAkMaChen]

Changes to old things aside, here is a new one:
1573, 1 scientific journals publish third-graders' school essays
1573, 2 savvy students quote paywalled research knowing that university lecturers can't afford to check the citations
1573, 3 new research always seems to support government initiatives

[TalAkMaChen]

Attention to all users of Trotterdam's list:
1357 has five options, option 2 was duplicated as 2/3 (same effect line).

[Trotterdam]

Attention to all users of Trotterdam's list:
1357 has five options, option 2 was duplicated as 2/3 (same effect line).

Please report new issue options in the spoiler thread.