NationStates issue results

by **TalAkMaChen** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:39 pm

1295,4

by **TalAkMaChen** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:44 am

1295,1

by **TalAkMaChen** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:55 am

In the list, at 587 options 5/6, the link to 1288 seems to be amiss (unless the policy change is no longer active?). Similar at 472, option 5 (which hasn't been selected in quite a while, it appears).

Oh, btw since there are currently only three unknown effect lines (910,3, 1089,4 and 1231,1) -- do you have those three already in your database or are there no such lines yet? Just out of curiosity ;D

by **Trotterdam** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:55 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:In the list, at 587 options 5/6, the link to 1288 seems to be amiss (unless the policy change is no longer active?). Similar at 472, option 5 (which hasn't been selected in quite a while, it appears).

Are you saying that you expect choosing those options to give #1288 as a followup issue?

That certainly seems sensible, but I have yet to witness any nation answering #1288 after choosing one of those options (that as you might notice from the data point counts, I haven't seen a lot of nations choosing #472 5 at all). Abolishing the AI Personhood policy and granting a followup issue are in principle separate actions, so an issue doing one doesn't automatically guarantee it would do the other, even if that does make sense. (In particular, an option that would abolish AI Personhood in favor of reverting AIs to being considered slaves/tools, rather than outright destroying them, should not logically lead to #1288, although that doesn't apply to the options you mentioned, and it does apply to #931 4, which I have recently confirmed leads to #1288 even though I kinda question whether it really should.)

Please only report these if you have actually tried to answer one of the options in question on one of your puppets and can confirm if you did or didn't get #1288 next.

I could try trapping nations that chose the options in question and see how common that is and if I can find evidence of them receiving something other than #1288 next, but that's a lot less reliable than positive evidence.

TalAkMaChen wrote:Oh, btw since there are currently only three unknown effect lines (910,3, 1089,4 and 1231,1) -- do you have those three already in your database or are there no such lines yet? Just out of curiosity ;D

These are probably a variant option of one of the options that is already there, with the same effect line, but nobody has reported them to the spoiler thread yet, so I can't be sure.

Only three unknown effect lines, though? That's surprising, since I have eight effect lines that I haven't been able to assign to an issue yet. (Plus two-three old effect lines that have obviously been removed from the game, but I'm a bit disappointed at never figuring out where they went before they were changed. Now that I bothered to check, the only currently-listed effect line that appears to be out-of-date is #98 1.) There must be some unreported options out there.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:06 am

Right, I recently had some of the others leading to 1288. Now these nations have the AI removed and first need to get it back before I can look out for said issues.

Any idea about the edit (the three missing lines)?

by **Trotterdam** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:13 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Right, I recently had some of the others leading to 1288. Now these nations have the AI removed and first need to get it back before I can look out for said issues.

Worth noting that with my recent confirmation of #931 4, I have six options known to lead to #1288 (five if variant options with the same effect line aren't counted), matching the number Candlewhisper Archive said (although he did say "no less than").

TalAkMaChen wrote:Any idea about the edit (the three missing lines)?

I edited in a response too. Short version: I can make guesses but I have no way to be sure.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:35 am

More unreported options? Ohmy... I've just been counting the "???" in your list, of which there are three currently. Of course, that only counts the known missing options. So well, more care when answering issues :roll:

I'll watch out then.

About the other: Okay, just not sure why some "Remove AI Personhood" leads to a follow-up while others do not, but mayhaps that's due to the story of that effect, not just the changed policy.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:12 am

1297, 1

by **TalAkMaChen** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:18 pm

#1298, 3

by **Libraziland** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:45 pm

by **TalAkMaChen** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:55 am

No idea where 1300 comes from, I never saw it until now.

Small correction: In #699, option 3 is a variant of option 2 with the keeling children.
Opt. 2 has "physical currency" while opt. 3 has "digital currency" but the same setting and outcome.

by **Trotterdam** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:32 pm

Thanks. Don't forget to post the digital currency option to the spoiler thread. That also applies to anyone who can find #1300.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:13 pm

I will.

New one, #1302,1

by **TalAkMaChen** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:39 am

#1300, 2

#1301,2

by **Trotterdam** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:57 am

Well, that's a problem. Libraziland and TalAkMaChen both reported the exact same effect line, one for option 1 and one for option 2. I believe TalAkMaChen is more reliable on this sort of thing, while Libraziland clearly hasn't read my first post on which information is actually useful. Reading the issue also suggests that the claimed effect line makes far more sense on option 2 than option 1.

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:33 am

TalAk is correct, of course.

by **Typica** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:02 pm

#1231, 3

I add this because it conflicts with both http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/1231.html and http://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._1231

by **Trotterdam** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Thanks for the report. I have spotted the mistake and the issue should be correct now.

by **Minoa** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:06 am

Typica wrote:#1231, 3
@@LEADER@@ is said to pay a tithe to a violent sect.

I add this because it conflicts with both http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/1231.html and http://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._1231

Got it fixed on my end, thanks.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:25 am

I got another doublicate effect lines for variants.
#101,3 as a copy of 101,2 (nations that lean towards being secular, not needing Atheism)

by **Trotterdam** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:11 pm

TalAkMaChen wrote:I got another doublicate effect lines for variants.
#101,3 as a copy of 101,2 (nations that lean towards being secular, not needing Atheism)

Just to be clear, that means the options currently listed as 3 and 4 are actually 4 and 5? Do you still have the text for option 3?

by **SherpDaWerp** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:32 am

Small "bug" - #993 is listed in your index as "Drug Deals", but I just received it as "Drug Deal" with no "s".

by **Trotterdam** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:57 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:Small "bug" - #993 is listed in your index as "Drug Deals", but I just received it as "Drug Deal" with no "s".

I was just going off the spoiler thread. Let Jutsa know about it too.

by **TalAkMaChen** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:51 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
TalAkMaChen wrote:I got another doublicate effect lines for variants.
#101,3 as a copy of 101,2 (nations that lean towards being secular, not needing Atheism)
Just to be clear, that means the options currently listed as 3 and 4 are actually 4 and 5? Do you still have the text for option 3?

Correct. They shift by 1 to higher numbers. Of course I have copied the text, I'll post it the next days I think.

by **Independent Federation of Croatia** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:53 am

I am interested in where in these results or how can I see whether my black market will increase or decrease?

Thanks

btw. this is great

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