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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:37 pm

*blinks*

...Why isn't this the default?

That site shows pretty good before and after images, but the "before" rendition is just stupid and I don't see why anyone would design web browsers to do that.

The page doesn't even discuss any other viewport settings or suggest which websites it is or isn't appropiate for, just "You should include the following <meta> viewport element in all your web pages:". If it's something everyone should include everywhere, then it should be the browser default. I am not going encourage poor browser design by catering to it.

Jahass wrote:And, after some minor CSS we can get something like this:
(Image)
That's not just the viewport changing, though.

I can see why putting the effect line on a separate row would be convenient on narrow screens, but it's not appropiate for all cells. The "Data points / Last Confirmed" is really not useful if it's not right next to the data (admittedly, I'm being slightly naughty by not explicitly arranging them in a table and instead trusting them to line up because each line has constant height - doing them the proper way would require a lot more coding to make the cell borders work properly, though). I see that you deal with it be just hiding that column on narrow screens, which is understandable, but I don't want that to be the default because then some people wouldn't notice it exists at all, and the column is important because it gives a gauge of reliability (if there's only two data points, take results with a grain of salt). Plus, that column is pretty narrow (unlike the effect line column), it should be able to fit.

I guess I could just make the effect line a separate row for everyone more easily using colspan="2". I kinda like the current layout, but it does have a lot of empty space on the left side.

I've tested it and found that the current layout is still readable at 640px width (by just shrinking my browser window, or by tacking a width value to the table itself) if the font size is shrunk to about 67% of my computer's default, though on my screen 640px is still approximately 15 centimeters, so I can imagine that font being unreadably small (even though it's still rendering properly rather than pixellating) on a mobile device. (EDIT: Though while your quote used 640px as an example, this site suggests 320px is a more typical resolution for phones. I don't see how that could fit even in single-column format.)

Incidentally I also tested that on my computer that the viewport meta seems to be completely ignored, as it doesn't do anything when I set the viewport width to something either larger or smaller than my browser window. That's probably a good thing, since according to the image at the bottom of this page, actually forcing the viewport width to equal device-width on windowed systems is completely nonsensical.
Last edited by Trotterdam on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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BuccaRuu
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby BuccaRuu » Thu May 09, 2019 5:45 am

Hi,

great source of information. As for design, as you mentioned the lots of free space on the left, it would be better to put the effect-text into an own row (possibly with the number of data points - no need to repeat that for 50 effects also 50 times) above the list of effects. (Similar to how Jahass has posted above here). The new/changed/cancelled policy with it's last confirmed day can also be put to the top, e.g. like:

Code: Select all
#ID (name goes here)











choice 1: (text goes here)number of data: (number goes here)
policy modifications:last confirmed
(policy change #1)YYYY-MM-DD
changed stat namevalues and mean of that stat change
changed stat namevalues and mean of that stat change
........
choice 2: (text goes here)number of data: (number goes here)
policy modifications:last confirmed
(policy change #1)YYYY-MM-DD
changed stat namevalues and mean of that stat change
changed stat namevalues and mean of that stat change


It's just reshuffling the text parts you already have and reduce data, still (i.e. by eliminating unneeded repetition of numbers). :)
Last edited by BuccaRuu on Thu May 09, 2019 5:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Thu May 09, 2019 9:54 am

BuccaRuu wrote:(possibly with the number of data points - no need to repeat that for 50 effects also 50 times)
Technically, it is possible to have more data points on some census scores than others. If the way a census is calculated is modified, such as due to one of the betas being implemented, then I need to invalidate my old data on it from all issues, without necessarily needing to throw out all my other scores too. It's not my fault none of the betas have been implemented since I started running the site thirteen months ago.

In any case, a five-digits-at-most (and that's very rare, three digits is more typical) number doesn't take up much space, so that's not what I'm worried about.

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BuccaRuu
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby BuccaRuu » Mon May 13, 2019 4:26 pm

Result of issue 1210, answer 2:
The Talking Point

The smell of tobacco is often smelt around legislative buildings across the nation.

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Mon May 13, 2019 11:19 pm

Thanks!

With that option 3 falls into place, too.

Results will be visible at the next daily upload.

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War Dogs IV
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby War Dogs IV » Tue May 14, 2019 4:27 am

Another update:
Issue 1113, choice 5 (the second-to-last)
The Talking Point

It's said that Leader can turn every pleasure into a chore.

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Tue May 14, 2019 6:27 am

New issue!
#1214, choice 3 (internal option-2 which I had as second visible option) yields
The Talking Point

There's nothing more gay than bleeding for your nation.
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Tue May 14, 2019 6:36 am

Thanks for the info on #1113! Though really, I should have figured that option 5 out as soon as I had the effect line for option 6. Must have missed it.

Unfortunately, I can't act on #1214 until someone posts it to the spoiler thread. When you get a new issue, please check there to see if a report is needed. You can also tell which issues haven't been reported yet from my site by that the entire issue title is listed as "???", rather than just the options.

Are you three puppets belonging to the same player? Nothing wrong with that, just curious :)

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TalAkMaChen
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Postby TalAkMaChen » Tue May 14, 2019 7:00 am

Trotterdam wrote:Unfortunately, I can't act on #1214 until someone posts it to the spoiler thread. When you get a new issue, please check there to see if a report is needed. You can also tell which issues haven't been reported yet from my site by that the entire issue title is listed as "???", rather than just the options.

Are you three puppets belonging to the same player? Nothing wrong with that, just curious :)


Done. Yes. :D
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War Dogs IV
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby War Dogs IV » Thu May 16, 2019 5:33 am

Issue 1216, option 3
The Talking Point

Gossip magazines have pictures of @@LEADER@@ sunbathing on the beach with political rivals.

(found at Aragesh)
Last edited by War Dogs IV on Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 am, edited 2 times in total.

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Fri May 17, 2019 4:45 am

1217, option 3 results:
The Talking Point

The typical murderer weighs 150kg and has hairy arms.

(found at War Dogs XII)
edit:
1217, option 1 results:
The Talking Point

It can be a real jungle in a modern courtroom.

(found at BuccaRuu)
Last edited by TalAkMaChen on Sun May 19, 2019 10:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Mon May 20, 2019 5:15 am

Hi,
about issue 544 - why is option 3 "censored" in your list? It still gives some result and changes stats (even if it's unfriendly, so are other results).
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 20, 2019 6:35 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:1217, option 3 results:
The Talking Point

The typical murderer weighs 150kg and has hairy arms.

One of my other Ursine nations received that line: The reply "So what's new?" immediately sprang to mind...
^_^
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu May 23, 2019 6:21 am

Issue 1221
options 1+2:
1:
The Talking Point

Politicians always seem to take two steps forward then three steps back.

option 2:
The Talking Point

Politicians can be condescending (which by the way means "showing an attitude of patronising superiority").

(option 1 at TalAkMaChen, option 2 at Aragesh)

Issue 1224
option 1:
The Talking Point

Imitation is the sincerest form of felony.
(at BuccaRuu)



edit:
Not sure if this was added already, but in the results list, #39.3 (Scandal Rocks @@NAME@@’s Government!) is left open with "???"
It was limited to atheist nations, it appears
Issue #39, option 3 reads:
“Unbelievable!” says moralist Cooper Medina of the local Ethics Committee. “Our government officials must be held to a higher standard than this! Mr. Lotsalovin must be removed from office and prosecuted. We cannot allow such disgusting corruption within the halls of justice!”

with the outcome same to the religious one (sadly no difference there)
The Talking Point

Government officials are held to the highest standard of morality.
(found at (War Dogs XI).
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Thu May 23, 2019 9:36 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Issue 1224
option 1:
The Talking Point

Imitation is the sincerest form of felony.
(at BuccaRuu)
Huh, really? I thought that would make more sense on option 2/3, since that's the one that actually bans imitation, while option 1 only requires imitations to be labeled.

Ah, hmm. I suppose that then the effect line which I thought was probably on option 5 is on option 2/3 instead, and then option 5 would be... ah, that one. Could really use confirmation, though.

TalAkMaChen wrote:Issue #39, option 3 reads:
“Unbelievable!” says moralist Cooper Medina of the local Ethics Committee. “Our government officials must be held to a higher standard than this! Mr. Lotsalovin must be removed from office and prosecuted. We cannot allow such disgusting corruption within the halls of justice!”
Once again, please post this in the spoiler thread.

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Devil Heart
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Devil Heart » Thu May 23, 2019 4:08 pm

Had a good read of your intro Trotterdam to this very helpful Issue Results tool.

I feel like the mumsy to 1220 - having authored it.
Are it's question marks perhaps because I answered it too quickly amidst other issues at the time - or perhaps because my nation is WA?
I'm assuming there is nothing I can do to help, but let me know if there is :)

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu May 23, 2019 6:22 pm

Devil Heart wrote:I feel like the mumsy to 1220 - having authored it.
Are it's question marks perhaps because I answered it too quickly amidst other issues at the time - or perhaps because my nation is WA?
#1220 has not yet been reported to the spoiler thread. Even if I've seen the effect lines, I wouldn't know how to assign them.

I do actually think I know which issue it is... it's this one, right? I suspected that even before you said it's yours. But I have a policy of not assuming issue content from draft threads, because a lot can change in editing (even something minor like reordering options can be a problem), and it looks like only one of your original effect lines survived anyway (with minor changes).

Devil Heart wrote:I'm assuming there is nothing I can do to help, but let me know if there is :)
Like I said, the most useful thing you can do is to post the (in-game) text of the issue to the spoiler thread, although some authors prefer to keep it a secret and wait until someone else posts their issues. Which option you answered and what the effect line was can also be helpful, although most of the time I can figure them out on my own.

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Devil Heart
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Devil Heart » Fri May 24, 2019 4:37 pm

Yeah, issue writing (for me) is a leaning curve alright.
And you're right, that's the one and there have been changes.

Anyway, thanks for explaining the wider process. I'll know for next time :)

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Sat May 25, 2019 2:39 am

Issue 415, option 3 (the amateuer variant) is the same as option 2 (professional sport), i.e.
The Talking Point

Concussed @@ANIMAL@@ball players cannot remember their lineup position.
(found at NormanJackson)

edit:
Issue 1220, option 3 (they are numbered 0-2 internally)
The Talking Point

Men stare at wall-pictures of @@LEADER@@'s face when they visit public urinals.

(found at War dogs VI)

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yet another update:
Issue 1000, option 2
The Talking Point

Voting for pro-Bigtopian candidates is voluntary.

(same as option 1, weird. But I definitely clicked the second one, “@@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@ actually makes a great and under-rated point,” ... at War Dogs I)



aand another few
Issue 1224, option 5
The Talking Point

People have become comfortably numb.
(found at OptionOners depite the usual "only choose option 1" rule there.)

and option 2:
The Talking Point

Bargain-hunting is considered unpatriotic.
(found at self)


Issue 1226, option 3
The Talking Point

The aims of top-secret @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ science projects revolve around designing the perfect robot woman.
(found at Aragesh)
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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Mon May 27, 2019 5:26 am

This time no edit but a new post, sorry for double-posting. Oops.

Issue 1226, option 1
The Talking Point

The @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Intelligence Agency has put 'Project Quantum Refrigerator' on hold indefinitely.
(found at OptionOners)
Ser Ghez from Korbucci, President of TalAkMaChen

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Mon May 27, 2019 5:43 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:This time no edit but a new post, sorry for double-posting. Oops.
No, I prefer it this way. Threads don't get bumped if you edit a post, so I don't notice that there's any new content.

If you're worried about spamming, you can save up your reports in a local file and post them all at once after a few days (it's really not useful to post more than once a day, since the website only gets updated that often anyway), but please don't edit old posts without giving some indication that there's new content.

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Wed May 29, 2019 6:19 am

Issue 544, option 3

The Talking Point

Most @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ video games are banned in other countries.
(recently at War Dogs XVII)

I wonder why that effect/line is "banned" in your list. Alas, for being sexist, there are worse issues.
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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:44 am

New Issue's results:
1229 #1
The Talking Point

There's a lot of mouth-breathers about these days.
(found at Aragesh)
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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:18 am

#1231, option 3 (note that 1/2 are mutually exclusively visible)
The Talking Point

Believers who wear their faith on their sleeves make easy targets in hostile areas.
(found at NormanJackson)
Ser Ghez from Korbucci, President of TalAkMaChen

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TalAkMaChen
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Democratic Socialists

Postby TalAkMaChen » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:04 am

TalAkMaChen wrote:Issue 544, option 3

The Talking Point

Most @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ video games are banned in other countries.
(recently at War Dogs XVII)

I wonder why that effect/line is "banned" in your list. Alas, for being sexist, there are worse issues.


This still, even as you tend to ignore it, @Trotterdam?

Addition: Issue 1170, option 1 is the same as option 2.
The Talking Point

Hand-to-hand combat experience is udderly essential for all dairy ranchers.

(and it removes "Gun Control" policy as expected by the option text. - found at War Dogs XXVI)
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