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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:03 pm

Minoa wrote:I wish to ask which of the notables (e.g. absence of drug laws, restrictive gun laws, etc.) are based on World Census scores?
Your guess is as good as mine?

Most of them are intuitively obvious if you look at them (if not from the name alone, then from the fact that score-based notabilities are typically modified by far more issues than flag-based ones), but I don't have any automated, foolproof way of identifying them.

When I can tell you is that it seems that most notabilities are either score-based ("barren, inhospitable landscape"), or are redundant with named policies ("zero percent divorce rate" = "Permanent Marriage"), so it's more interesting to list the ones that aren't. These appear to include:
avant-garde cinema (ban on sequels)
aversion to nipples (not the same as general-purpose Prudism, but rather a ban on public breastfeeding)
conspicuous electricity pylons (importing electricity from other nations)
daily referendums (self-explanatory)
digital currency (self-explanatory)
flagrant waste-dumping (dumping waste in international waters)
free-roaming dinosaurs (mostly self-explanatory, but actually includes all nations with live dinosaurs, even ones in zoos)
otherworldly petting zoo (specifically means dinosaur zoos, and so always implies the previous notable as well)
infamous sell-swords (mostly for nations that employ mercenaries, but may also include ones that merely allow them to operate)
pith helmet sales (counterintuitively, this is actually specific to nations that practice colonialism... or self-defense in Brasilistan's case)
rampant corporate plagiarism (absence of copyright law)
rum-swilling pirates (piracy is legal... the naval kind, not the copyright kind)
teetotalling pirates (replaces the above in nations where alcohol is banned)
smutty television (currently affected by very few issues, I'd have to run some checks to see if that's a sampling bias or not)
unlimited-speed roads (self-explanatory)
That appears to be 15 out of 61 total notables, or about one-quarter. Knowing about these is useful because they're valid validities for issues!

Of the ones that are score-based, I'd have to say that "exploding hoverboards" deserves particular notice.

Minoa wrote:EXTRA: I'd like to see you compile a full list of admirables too, to go with the notables.
I'm probably not going to do this, because from what I can tell, all admirables are score-based.

For example, mine are "cultured" (high Culture), "efficient" (not sure what it means, but clearly something that should be on a sliding scale - maybe Economic Efficiency?), "environmentally stunning" (high Environmental Beauty), "genial" (gotta look that one up in a dictionary... looks like it's Cheerfulness or Compassion?), "safe" (high Safety), and "socially progressive" (high Inclusiveness, probably).

If you want to know which score the less-obvious ones are based on, then that requires statistical analysis of nations rather than issue results, which is more up Valentine Z's alley. Or write your own script.

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Minoa
Senator
 
Posts: 4925
Founded: Oct 05, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:54 pm

It's okay and thanks for your insight: I am just getting myself realigned with the world of NationStates after a particularly long break.
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Jutsa
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Founded: Dec 06, 2015
Capitalizt

Postby Jutsa » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:06 am

Fun fact about the "Burgeoning @@ANIMAL@@ Population" notable. So, I was looking through nations of the lowest population, and then later nations of the highest score of averageness. Aside from, like, the first nation (which was only notable for its "irrelevance towards religion" - which I suspect might also be stat based, not sure), virtually every single one of these nations are notable for their burgeoning @@ANIMAL@@ population.

So, why is this relevant? Well, between my not once seeing a nation without a single notable, and the fact that these nations do not seem to be notable in any way, and the fact that I have not seen this notable in any nation that has another notable,-
on my quest to find what the default "no notability" nation looks like, I believe that "Burgeoning Animal Population" is the notable given to nations that otherwise have no tracked notables.

Isn't that a gas? in before you already knew that

Not sure if your notables* table would be able to change its notable count by saying that or not, but then again I'm only saying this with 98% confidence so *shrugs*
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:40 am

I think you're on to something.

I just ran a check on my database, and it turns out that not a single one of the 327 tracked nations with that notable have any other notables. It is furthermore the only notability with this property.

Conveniently, there is a notability for having a terrible environment ("barren, inhospitable landscape"), thus ensuring that it won't appear on nations that genuinely shouldn't have a lot of @@ANIMALPLURAL@@ left. However, contrary to my expectations, nations with beautiful environments can still fail to have their @@ANIMAL@@ populations mentioned if there's anything else they're notable for. (In hindsight, that should have been obvious when I didn't have it on my own nation.)

I guess this means I probably shouldn't be tracking this thing, given that it can at least theoretically be granted/removed by any issue option whatsoever that removes/grants another notability of any sort, so which options it's explicitly been seen on isn't really useful information and just gets in the way.

Maybe I'll add some special treatment to hide it later. (Aww, and I already went through the effort of coding my program to recognize notabilities-with-macros just for this one, too!) Right now it's not a "must fix immediately" priority.

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Jutsa
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Capitalizt

Postby Jutsa » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:38 am

Glad I could help. :)

Also, I admit I've been taking a look at your issues results page, and I noticed that 1219.3 (probably among a significantly many others) has "unknown effect".
I don't know if my answering that option on an alt can directly help you or not; I'll save the issue until I know for sure. :P
(Pretty sure I was going to pick that option anyway, though.)
Edit: I see two options like this with 1325. Not especially thrilled about becoming a non-religious socialist or religious capitalist but I could make it work for the sake of science. ;)
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Here is a list containing a bunch of factbooks I created that are Got Issues? related.
>List of issue ideas
>List of missing issues/options
>List of accepted issues~
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:29 am

Jutsa wrote:Also, I admit I've been taking a look at your issues results page, and I noticed that 1219.3 (probably among a significantly many others) has "unknown effect".
Yeah, I reset the database three weeks ago. That's enough time for most results to get repopulated, but some of the most rarely-seen issue options will still be missing.

Jutsa wrote:I don't know if my answering that option on an alt can directly help you or not; I'll save the issue until I know for sure.
There are a few conditions that need to be satisfied for a result to be recorded (explained in the NAQ), but in general, yes, that's probably helpful.

Jutsa wrote:(Pretty sure I was going to pick that option anyway, though.)
...Then why wait?

Jutsa wrote:Edit: I see two options like this with 1325. Not especially thrilled about becoming a non-religious socialist or religious capitalist but I could make it work for the sake of science. ;)
Up to you. I'm sure to get them eventually, it's just a matter of how long it takes. And if I don't need to reset the database again in the meantime.

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:08 pm

Between this and this, I thought it wise to perform another reset. Hopefully things are actually stable now.

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TalAkMaChen
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 417
Founded: Sep 04, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby TalAkMaChen » Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:22 am

In #1349 the third is the same as the second fallout. Unless the second was mistakenly reported as second but was the third all along. In that case the second fallout would be missing. :eyebrow:

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Cantors Paradise
Civilian
 
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Founded: Jul 17, 2020
New York Times Democracy

Postby Cantors Paradise » Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:53 am

The option description for option #2 of issue #1485 is "AI citizens are criticized for being robotic".

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Huosheng
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 10
Founded: Feb 01, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Huosheng » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:33 am

What's with all the new "unknown effect on Authoritarianism" effect lines? Was authoritarianism updated or something?
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:36 am

Huosheng wrote:What's with all the new "unknown effect on Authoritarianism" effect lines? Was authoritarianism updated or something?
[violet] wrote:Heads up: I fixed a bug that may have resulted in census scales 53 and 79 reporting non-scaled numbers when queried via the API. So if those numbers seem 1,000 larger or 10 times smaller respectively than before, that's why. The new values should match what is displayed via the HTML site.

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Dexterra
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Posts: 223
Founded: May 05, 2021
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Dexterra » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 am

I really appreciate the results guide and the hard work you put in it, but I think it may be time for another reset. Lately I've had a ton of issue answers that have the exact opposite statistical effects of what is listed, and some statistical effects are even opposite of what is mentioned in the actual text of the issue answer itself. I'm not sure what's going on with NS stats recently or if it's just that some of my nations are so extreme that they're doing laps, but it's been getting a lot harder to make an informed decision. Just wanted to pass along :)
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The United Peoples of Dexterra

The United Commonwealth of Kelleran

The Cultural Democracy of Schrack


Experiments in Rare NS Classifications

Benevolent Dictatorship: the Public Crown of Loysville

Mother Knows Best State: the United Queendom of New Westfields

Tyranny by Majority: the Citizen's District of Petworth


Parodies of Extremes - enter at own risk!

Anarchy: the Stateless Sovereignty of Entropyistan

Psychotic Dictatorship: the Murder-Suicide Cult of Hellscapia


Named After a Special Place

The Historic Union of Burkitts

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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:21 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
TalAkMaChen wrote:in the MAD chain the link from #1388 to #1389 is missing, some others as well that I can't fully reconstruct.
Yes, the reason for that is that #1388 (for capitalists) and #1403 (for socialists) have the same effect line, so my program can't tell them apart, but still have different followups (#1389 and #1404, respectively).

I was going to kludge in an ad-hoc solution when the chain was fully mapped, but then we never found #1380 and the chain never got fully mapped.
So with us having finally found #1380, I no longer have an excuse to continue putting this off. Enjoy!

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Nueva Rivera
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Founded: Apr 01, 2021
Corporate Bordello

Postby Nueva Rivera » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:21 am

I had an issue that is not on the website (1493, called Bully Beef)
What are the results of this?

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Bears Armed
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 20492
Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:11 am

Nueva Rivera wrote:I had an issue that is not on the website (1493, called Bully Beef)
What are the results of this?
Bearing in mind its number, you're probably one of the first people to receive that issue. Can you post a copy of it here for us to see?
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474.

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:18 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Can you post a copy of it here for us to see?
No, don't. There's a perfectly good thread for that and this isn't it.

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Bears Armed
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Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:27 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Can you post a copy of it here for us to see?
No, don't. There's a perfectly good thread for that and this isn't it.

Oops! Sorry, forgot which of the two I was in...
:blush:

EDIT: Found, with a puppet, and posted.
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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474.

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Rocain Founder
Spokesperson
 
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Founded: Aug 01, 2020
Father Knows Best State

Postby Rocain Founder » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:15 am

The talking point for option 2 of issue #1063 is incorrect. It is now "tuxedo rental companies are inexplicably going out of business". Presumably it was changed at some point to accommodate car-free nations. That explains why it was apparently an option with no effects in the database.

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