[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[He Qixin]

140.1 increased my employment (61.74 -> 62.99). I'm happy that it increased, but can someone explain why? I'm curious.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Just a heads up, I'm going to take a break from this thread for a while. Every now and then I have to remind myself that I'm under no obligation to put in work on this game, and that putting yourself up front and centre as someone who is offering to help means people just want to complain at you all the time.

It's not even slightly enjoyable working this thread, so I'm not entirely sure while I'm doing it.

Feel free to keep posting issue effects, but I'll leave it up to the community and the rest of the team to answer them. I'm not retiring for Got Issues or editing in any way, just choosing to leave this thread behind as it seems like a kind of worthless activity from my own point of view.

For sure, about 1 in 20 of the effects reported here leads to a worthwhile change being made, but most of them are covered by existing answers, so the community can field those. I'll leave it to trusted contributors and editors to let me know if something specific needs changing.

[Jutsa]

Alrighty. Take care, CWA.

(Plus now you can focus on editing >:3)

[Fauxia]

140.1 increased my employment (61.74 -> 62.99). I'm happy that it increased, but can someone explain why? I'm curious.

Maybe more gravedigging jobs

It is pretty low still, so it’s easier to build

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

The Widening Gyre
Concentrating wealth in the capital decreased my wealth gaps

[Fauxia]

The Widening Gyre
Concentrating wealth in the capital decreased my wealth gaps

What I’d imagine is that you’re also making the poorer in the capital wealthier, so the poor are less poor, as could be expected with your large wealth gaps

[Jutsa]

That still, as a whole, seems rather odd, though.

[Zimbabwean Tibet]

584.2 Decreased taxation, a whole 20% from 95% to 75%. Seems strange that it would decrease tax so much.

Looks like I have been skipped.

[Jutsa]

Oh yeah, sorry for not addressing that. It's actually not that large a tax drop, though it's definitely much larger than most.

For instance, looking at your nation's stats, you've previously gone from 92% taxation to just over 1% in one issue.

To be honest, though, I have no idea what caused it to change that much, but if I had a guess,
it's probably because you had a significant boost to your business subsidization, which means more industry which means more money not used on taxes?

Aside from that, maybe you cut your administration spending? Or, possibly you diverted a LARGE portion of your income tax to sales tax,
so while not much has changed overall, the visible taxation stat, which atm only shows income tax, has shrunk.

It has to be one or both of those two, because I can't see any other reason for it. It might help if you know what specific issue/option you answered.

[Phydios]

It might help if you know what specific issue/option you answered.

They said it was 584.2.

[Jutsa]

I read that twice, how did I skip over it each time...

alright... yeah, that's really weird, so the only thing that comes to mind is that your business increased while your taxes didn't.

I can't think of any other reason.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Today, 1 hour ago
Issue 599.3
Title: Dead In The Water

Option 3: Solve the bacteria bloom at the source, require farmers to add MORE chemicals to waste water before discharging into natural waterways in order to neutralise nutrient-rich fertilizer-laden runoffs; logical effect should be, pH-neutral clean waters.

However, super-illogically-negative result is -75 points environment causing loss of 14 years lifespan (hopefully beta006 will fix this). I like solution #3, wouldn't do it any different but maybe reveal to us if there are any subsequent benefits* after the initial penalties?? Cos it really is the optimal solution!

* Edit: eg. Will environment / lifespan see accelerated recovery or something? Once the agriculture board gets the hang of this new law

[Jutsa]

Well... ok, yes, now you have more PH-balanced water, and nutrient-rich fertilizer runoffs are dangerous...

but, you're missing an INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT piece of information - what that chemical is, and he specifically says

chlorine bleach

You're literally getting rid of nutrients by dumping incredibly toxic material into the water!

IMPORTANT EDIT: FTR You're not using household bleach, which apparently is comparatively safe. Just want to make that clear,
so you don't panic if you've been using it to treat your water - it can potentially save you in the event of an emergency.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

...chlorine bleach...

Yes I know what chlorine is. Well it did solve the algae trouble didn't it? Sometimes you just need to start from scratch.

[Trotterdam]

I think the issue here is that this is one of those cases where "Environmental Beauty" and "Environmental Quality" aren't technically the same thing, even though the game treats them as such (using the former name for the stat that's really the latter).

The logical effect of putting toxic bleach in your water is having water that looks pretty and sparkly, but is also devoid of life.

Well it did solve the algae trouble didn't it? Sometimes you just need to start from scratch.

This isn't a one-time thing. The option implies that farmers will continue dumping fertilizer and you will continue dumping bleach to counter it. The root cause of the issue, fertilizer run-off, has not been solved.

[Omniscientia]

Issue #12: Banning the death penalty drops Political Freedom by 14%. I mean, I expected it to drop a little bit (given that my country with no crime and no police probably already didn't have the death penalty), but not by so much, given that whenever you choose some option that increases it it's always by like 0.01%. (And I have a pretty good hunch that picking the only other option in the issue would do the same for Civil Rights)

Similarly earlier in issue #97, tax rate got increased by like 20% and I sense lowering it back it gonna take many months of -0.01%s

This game is seriously unbalanced and it's really becoming an annoying nerve wreck of careful building and then fucking it up in one easy swoop. Also what's the point of issues like #12 where everybody who learns of their effect is just gonna dismiss them from then onwards?

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

Issue #12: Banning the death penalty drops Political Freedom by 14%. I mean, I expected it to drop a little bit (given that my country with no crime and no police probably already didn't have the death penalty), but not by so much, given that whenever you choose some option that increases it it's always by like 0.01%. (And I have a pretty good hunch that picking the only other option in the issue would do the same for Civil Rights)

Similarly earlier in issue #97, tax rate got increased by like 20% and I sense lowering it back it gonna take many months of -0.01%s

This game is seriously unbalanced and it's really becoming an annoying nerve wreck of careful building and then fucking it up in one easy swoop. Also what's the point of issues like #12 where everybody who learns of their effect is just gonna dismiss them from then onwards?

Issue 12: The relevant quote from the option you chose: "We must ban the politics of hatred and fear!"
Issue 97: You're literally shooting your rubbish into space, which sounds expensive to me.

Both of those effects are a little extreme, but that's likely because of the position your nation was in before choosing them. Your tax rate, for example, is pretty much right in the middle. If it was very high or low, the change would be much smaller, but because its in the middle everything has a much larger effect.

Sometimes it can seem like one option can reverse months of work, but that's rarely the case. Your taxation graph shows substantial fluctuations on a regular basis, and political freedom can have large jumps either way if you get the right issues.

[Omniscientia]

Your taxation graph shows substantial fluctuations on a regular basis

The two large jumps were intentional (and they went together with destruction of economy and infrastructure) though

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

Your taxation graph shows substantial fluctuations on a regular basis

The two large jumps were intentional (and they went together with destruction of economy and infrastructure) though

Even if you look since December, the jump you had today isn't particularly out of line with other recent fluctuations. It's large, but nothing spectacular.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Today, 30 mins ago

1. Why did issue 438 option 2 ninja-bundle-install "Marriage Equality" (PRO-GAY) policy,
2. And yet issue 32 option 2 (marriage is ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN) did not install "Heterosexuality" policy? (Though it did cancel aforementioned mistake - thank God.)

Bias much? I hope other people searching the forum to learn about these 'sensitive' issues will find this post!!

You supported the court's decision to invalidate a law reaffirming the ban on same-sex marriage. Seems pretty clear to me.

Except that the premise of the issue states that the court ruling strikes off gay marriage ban as 'unconstitutiona'l based on a non-existant* 'constitutional clause'. My nation has not enacted any policies proscribing marriage prior to getting issue 438. In short, this issue rests on a false premise.

As for Issue 32, it only bans same-sex marriage. The heterosexuality policy does not allow homosexual relations at all.

Thanks for the clarification. So there are no policies outlawing ONLY official marrige between gays, which means its illegal by default, hence what constitutional violation again?

* RP not included

[Fauxia]

Today, 30 mins ago

1. Why did issue 438 option 2 ninja-bundle-install "Marriage Equality" (PRO-GAY) policy,
2. And yet issue 32 option 2 (marriage is ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN) did not install "Heterosexuality" policy? (Though it did cancel aforementioned mistake - thank God.)

Bias much? I hope other people searching the forum to learn about these 'sensitive' issues will find this post!!

Nope. I don't see any bias at all.

Read the text of issue 438.

In a landmark decision, the Supreme Court of The @@TYPE@@ today ruled that an obscure clause of the Constitution invalidates a government bill reaffirming the ban on same-sex marriage. Two groups have gathered in @@CAPITAL@@, one to protest the decision, the other to applaud it.

You supported the court's decision to invalidate a law reaffirming the ban on same-sex marriage. Seems pretty clear to me.

As for Issue 32, it only bans same-sex marriage. The heterosexuality policy does not allow homosexual relations at all.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

You supported the court's decision to invalidate a law reaffirming the ban on same-sex marriage. Seems pretty clear to me.

Except that the premise of the issue states that the court ruling strikes off gay marriage ban as 'unconstitutiona'l based on a non-existant* 'constitutional clause'. My nation has not enacted any policies proscribing marriage prior to getting issue 438. In short, this issue rests on a false premise.

As for Issue 32, it only bans same-sex marriage. The heterosexuality policy does not allow homosexual relations at all.

Thanks for the clarification. So there are no policies outlawing ONLY official marrige between gays, which means its illegal by default, hence what constitutional violation again?

* RP not included

[Trotterdam]

Except that the premise of the issue states that the court ruling strikes off gay marriage ban as 'unconstitutiona'l based on a non-existant 'constitutional clause'. My nation has not enacted any policies proscribing marriage prior to getting issue 438. In short, this issue rests on a false premise.

While this is stupid, it is also something that has actually happened in real life in the United States.

[Triangle And Square]

140.1 increased my employment (61.74 -> 62.99). I'm happy that it increased, but can someone explain why? I'm curious.

Maybe more gravedigging jobs

It is pretty low still, so it’s easier to build

yeah, i know it is low, but why? I know that someone with higher employment and also answered 140.1 will also show an increase in employment - just smaller.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Except that the premise of the issue states that the court ruling strikes off gay marriage ban as 'unconstitutiona'l based on a non-existant (*) 'constitutional clause'. My nation has not enacted any policies proscribing marriage prior to getting issue 438. In short, this issue rests on a false premise.

While this is stupid, it is also something that has actually happened in real life in the United States.

Take note of edit: (*) RP not included