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Verdant Haven
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Verdant Haven » Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:18 am

Anarcho-NazBols wrote:On this nation, 30 minutes ago, I answered issue #24 (Budget Time: Accountants Excited) with option 4 to cut taxation, but instead taxation increased from around 73-75% to about 86%. Why?


That is a surprisingly large change, but looking at the make-up of your economy, and the income levels in your nation, I think I can see what's going on.

From the FAQ at the beginning of this thread, about why tax sometimes goes in an unexpected direction...

- Why didn't tax fall when spending was described as reducing (or why didn't it rise when spending was described as rising)?

The answer usually lies in your economic output.
The more economic output you have, the less %tax you need to support your spending.

Bear in mind that economic output is dependent on a lot of interacting factors. Sometimes an option will cause you to shrink your economy by more than you proportionally shrank your spending, causing a tax rise to support the same spending. Sometimes it won't. Often different things will happen to different nations faced with the same issue choice.


In your case, your entire legitimate economy is the government. What's more, that government spending is approximately 85% the operation of government itself, rather than just govm't owned businesses.

The option you chose did attempt to lower the tax rate (Freedom from Taxation +33.6%), but at the same time, it slashed the government itself across the board ("People need to be weaned off the government teat"). Because of your total commitment to government as the driver of the economy, this undermined your total economic output, meaning that income tax levels had to rise to support what was left.

Now, for most folks I believe that offset wouldn't be nearly as big, but you have combined the two factors above (government-based economy and cuts to the government) with some of the lowest personal income in the game. Even a small increase in raw income tax intake will therefore be a massive percentage increase. With an average income in the 6400-6800 range, something like an increase in taxes of 1000/person represents a catastrophic percentage of their gross income. For a nation experiencing a similar increase in raw tax intake, but with citizens who have incomes on the other end of the scale, such an increase would be less than one percent, and would likely be sufficiently offset by the income tax reduction to lead to an overall decrease. If your economy had some variety in it, or if your people's incomes were higher, I believe you wouldn't have seen this effect.

Good question! That is a tricky situation you've got.
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Anarcho-NazBols
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Tyranny by Majority

Postby Anarcho-NazBols » Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:35 am

On this nation, 30 minutes ago, I answered issue #825 (Bugging Out on Beef) with option 4 to outlaw eating animals. It lowered my nation's Trout Fishing, the only industry that was in the positives, to be in the negatives. However, my taxation also lowered from 73-74% to 32-33%. I'm happy about this effect, and I assume having no industries left caused it, but I'm curious what the reasoning for taxation lowering from it is.
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Rengum in Lingo
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Rengum in Lingo » Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:36 pm

I noticed that for that the nuclear solution for the "Power problems need a bright solution" decreases various stats like safety and increases the death rate, what gives? Nuclear is statistically the safest form of energy production we have. more people die from solar and wind energy than nuclear, it's super safe. Here is a chart of how deadly each energy source is if you are dubious. https://www.statista.com/statistics/494 ... gy-source/

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Wind and Void Rapture 1
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Wind and Void Rapture 1 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:23 pm

Issue #1099 ("New Satellite Blues") option #2 ("if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it... @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ satellites can detect it
") starkly increased my death rates, while raising black market activity and lowering obesity. How did eco-satellites lower obesity rates? Did I just invite a bunch of fat-hating serial killers into my nation?
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Teebeestroika
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Boosting education unexpectedly legalised human sacrifice.

Postby Teebeestroika » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:53 am

Possibly a bug?

For issue 1041 on religious beliefs, I chose a fairly neutral option to boost education spending:

“Let’s be reasonable, shall we?” pleads schoolteacher Horatio Tolkien. “Just because you and I have reached the intelligent conclusion, it doesn’t mean we have to force others to do so. Instead, invest in education, and teach our children critical thinking skills and scientific reasoning. That way, they rationally choose atheism for themselves when they come of age.”

The result:

New Policies
Human Sacrifice
Religious sacrifice of human beings is legal.


...which seems rather extreme to say the least!

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Verdant Haven
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Verdant Haven » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:11 am

Teebeestroika wrote:Possibly a bug?

For issue 1041 on religious beliefs, I chose a fairly neutral option to boost education spending:

“Let’s be reasonable, shall we?” pleads schoolteacher Horatio Tolkien. “Just because you and I have reached the intelligent conclusion, it doesn’t mean we have to force others to do so. Instead, invest in education, and teach our children critical thinking skills and scientific reasoning. That way, they rationally choose atheism for themselves when they come of age.”

The result:

New Policies
Human Sacrifice
Religious sacrifice of human beings is legal.


...which seems rather extreme to say the least!


I think "rather extreme" is an apt description of that :-P

I believe what's going on is that at some point in the past, you engaged the Human Sacrifice policy, which specifically allows *religious* human sacrifice (as you note). Around June 12 of last year, you then installed the Atheism policy. The Atheism policy overrides the Human Sacrifice policy by outright banning religion, but the Human Sacrifice policy doesn't go away, it is merely suppressed. When you answered issue 1014 and removed Atheism, the suppressed policy was no longer suppressed, and kicked back into action.

I suspect that with that policy active again, you'll soon start getting issues that allow you to remove it if you so choose.

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Teebeestroika
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Postby Teebeestroika » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:27 am

Verdant Haven wrote:
Teebeestroika wrote:Possibly a bug?
I believe what's going on is that at some point in the past, you engaged the Human Sacrifice policy, which specifically allows *religious* human sacrifice (as you note). Around June 12 of last year, you then installed the Atheism policy. The Atheism policy overrides the Human Sacrifice policy by outright banning religion, but the Human Sacrifice policy doesn't go away, it is merely suppressed. When you answered issue 1014 and removed Atheism, the suppressed policy was no longer suppressed, and kicked back into action.

I suspect that with that policy active again, you'll soon start getting issues that allow you to remove it if you so choose.


Ahh, that makes sense, thank you. I'll keep an eye on this and report back if that doesn't happen in the next month or so. Perhaps choosing the Atheism policy should reset religious policies to their defaults? Or maybe trying to unlock a banner has just placed me in a very odd situation.
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Bears Armed
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:58 am

Teebeestroika wrote:
Verdant Haven wrote:


Ahh, that makes sense, thank you. I'll keep an eye on this and report back if that doesn't happen in the next month or so. Perhaps choosing the Atheism policy should reset religious policies to their defaults? Or maybe trying to unlock a banner has just placed me in a very odd situation.

You could say that IC (and in your sig) it is technically legal but no longer actuallly practiced...
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:05 pm

If the last religion that your nation practiced before it was banned featured human sacrifice, it makes sense that's what people would return to when given the opportunity... Especially when the premise is that despite being officially banned, some people continued practicing their original religions in secret.

Also, #1014, not #1041.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Point Blob » Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:45 am

I didn't even know there was a thread for this. Do I need to complain about a particular issue here?
I mean it has been my perception for over a decade that Issue results doing the opposite of what they should be doing is just the norm. Especially when it comes to anything to do with Civil Rights or Industries...

BUT having finally taken a peek in here and read this:
5) The right to not have things be illegal is a civil right. That is, if a nation doesn't have a law against murder or theft, then there's more freedom. This one is being reviewed, and may well leave the game some time soon, as it's often counterintuitive to what most folk mean by civil rights.

... I'd have to declare shenanigans on that one. I've never seen a single issue that allows legalising murder / theft... and I've been expressly looking since purely lore-wise, Murder has ALWAYS been legal in my nation.
If there was an option to bring the game stats in-line with the lore by legalising murder, I'd click it in a heartbeat... BUT I'd expect it to lower Civil Rights because that is what always happens when I make more things legal. More freedom = less Civil Rights... because NS has always interpreted "Civil Rights" as somehow involving protecting people or somesuch, and frowns upon my "4chan with guns" approach. Almost every time I remove legal restrictions (most of which were never there in the first place), it lowers Civil Rights.
For that matter, I've never attained the coveted "Anarchy" status because that requires "Economic Freedom" (i.e. massive economic inequality) to achieve. Talk about counterintuitive nonsense. I'm usually stuck in the "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" ghetto and have to put up with most of my choices increasing Authoritarianism despite explicitly taking the least Authoritarian approach to literally everything.

Also there used to be a trend where protecting the environment helped my industries, and the slightest hint of harm to the precious trees / animals resulted in catastrophic collapse of my key industries (which almost certainly require harming the environment)... but I think that one stopped being relevant a few years ago without me noticing.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:06 am

Point Blob wrote:I didn't even know there was a thread for this. Do I need to complain about a particular issue here?
I mean it has been my perception for over a decade that Issue results doing the opposite of what they should be doing is just the norm. Especially when it comes to anything to do with Civil Rights or Industries...

BUT having finally taken a peek in here and read this:
5) The right to not have things be illegal is a civil right. That is, if a nation doesn't have a law against murder or theft, then there's more freedom. This one is being reviewed, and may well leave the game some time soon, as it's often counterintuitive to what most folk mean by civil rights.

... I'd have to declare shenanigans on that one. I've never seen a single issue that allows legalising murder / theft... and I've been expressly looking since purely lore-wise, Murder has ALWAYS been legal in my nation.

The editors count legalising duelling as a form of legalising murder, and legalising piracy presumably legalises that form of theft...
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Trotterdam
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:28 pm

Yeah, there are ways to legalize specific forms of murder (dueling, terrorism, vigilante lynchings...), but there's no single "legalize all forms of murder period" button. I think it would be an interesting followup to that "legalize terrorism as a form of political expression" option to ask what happens if someone commits a bombing without obvious political motives...

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Land of Bobtopia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Land of Bobtopia » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:28 pm

land of bobtopia
1/21/23
issue 544
option to not censor video games and let people keep buying games uncensored lowered economic output even though additional sales would increase economic output. and then all the industry side effects from reduced econmic output too. should be a teeny tiny increase instead because with a firm not going to censor video games more people would buy games knowing they are uncensored

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New Falkarth
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Falkarth » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 am

Nation: New Falkarth
Date: 01/25/23
Issue: No. 548 - Appointment Of A Science Advisor

I picked option 1 which somehow lowered both taxation and freedom from taxation? That doesn't seem right...
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Wind and Void Rapture 1
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Postby Wind and Void Rapture 1 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:19 pm

The obesity reduction on Issue #1340 ("Unnatural Conception") option #4 is 100% fat hatred and unrealistic, too. We see IRL that "fat genes" have basically taken over the world completely, there are no reproductively dominant skinny genes in existence. Obesity rates are still rising globally. Global increases in reproductive choice correlated with global increases in obesity rates!

Obesity rates are unnaturally hard to increase in this game, and I resent having my hard-won obesity rate trimmed in any way. This game's obesity model needs to be updated. Obesity is a disease of affluence that should rise and fall with the economy, while reproductive choice should not reduce obesity rates in any way.
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New Falkarth
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Falkarth » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:35 pm

Nation: New Falkarth
Date: 01/29/23
Issue: No. 305 - Who’s Occupying What?

Option 3 lowered employment, even though the option is about forcing businesses to employ our workers instead of outsourcing to workers abroad.

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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Improper Classifications » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:30 am

Nation: Improper Classifications
Date: 1/31/23
Issue: #969 (Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Incredibly Sick!)

Option 4 lowered cheese exports even though the option is basically outsourcing healthcare to other countries, which should give better relations and therefore better export industries.
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Therimenjas » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:44 pm

Date: 2023-01-31
Issue: #488 - Bright Orange Is the New Black
The option to legalize guns for kids reduced food quality. Why? It's completely orthogonal to that metric.

New Falkarth wrote:Nation: New Falkarth
Date: 01/29/23
Issue: No. 305 - Who’s Occupying What?

Option 3 lowered employment, even though the option is about forcing businesses to employ our workers instead of outsourcing to workers abroad.


Economic restrictions are modeled in this game as reducing unemployment.
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New Falkarth
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Falkarth » Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:09 pm

Therimenjas wrote:Date: 2023-01-31
Issue: #488 - Bright Orange Is the New Black
The option to legalize guns for kids reduced food quality. Why? It's completely orthogonal to that metric.


Maybe the kids can force parents (at gunpoint) to give them only pizza and sweets?

Economic restrictions are modeled in this game as reducing unemployment.


In most other issues it would make sense, but not when the whole issue is about unemployment. Either a third of all companies in my nation were based on workers abroad and without them, the companies went bankrupt (when the company dies, so does any potential job positons), or the stat changes don't make sense.

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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Inclusive Conservatives 1 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:08 am

Name: Inclusive Conservatives 1
Date: 2023-02-06
Issue: Privacy Concerns Reaching New Heights (#528)

Why did choosing not to interfere with the drones result in an increase in environmental beauty? I knew this would happen by checking the stats site first, but I don't have any clue why.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:34 pm

New Falkarth wrote:Nation: New Falkarth
Date: 01/29/23
Issue: No. 305 - Who’s Occupying What?

Option 3 lowered employment, even though the option is about forcing businesses to employ our workers instead of outsourcing to workers abroad.

Companies outsource work because that's cheaper than having the work done at home. Maybe for some companies the increased cost of their products becaue of having to cover the higher costs due to producing them at home is making them uncompetitive in the market, thus putting them (or, at least, the sections of them responsible for the particular products concerned) out of business so that they now employ nobody at all.
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Wind Breaking Country » Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

Nation: The Wind Breaking Country
Date: 2-7-23
Issue: The Prints and the Slaughter, no. 850

I chose option 1. “I say we ban these dangerous machines, and give the police force a free hand to confiscate any device or materials that can be used to manufacture gun parts. We must reinforce our zero tolerance gun policy and remind our citizens that no guns keeps them safe.” For some reason, this caused civil rights to go up by 100%. You'd think banning 3D printers and allowing police to run roughshod over anyone who could possibly make a gun would cause civil rights to go down.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:08 pm

The Wind Breaking Country wrote:Nation: The Wind Breaking Country
Date: 2-7-23
Issue: The Prints and the Slaughter, no. 850

I chose option 1. “I say we ban these dangerous machines, and give the police force a free hand to confiscate any device or materials that can be used to manufacture gun parts. We must reinforce our zero tolerance gun policy and remind our citizens that no guns keeps them safe.” For some reason, this caused civil rights to go up by 100%. You'd think banning 3D printers and allowing police to run roughshod over anyone who could possibly make a gun would cause civil rights to go down.

Certain of the visible stats, including Civil Rights are actually based on the combnined values for several sub-traits that are calculated seoarately behind the scenes. In the case of your nation the government was already so repressive that it seems "banning 3D printers and allowing police to run roughshod over anyone who could possibly make a gun" apparently caused no significant further drop in the relevant sub-traits (which might even have been fully bottomed-out already) but did improve another sub-trait (maybeso related to a right of protection by the state?) sufficiently to cause the increase that you mention. Note that a 100% increase in a trait's rating really doesn't mean much when you're starting from a very low base-value in the first place... and that your nation is still in the bottom percentile for Civil Rights as a whole. [not-an-editor]
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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Verdant Haven
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:59 pm

The Wind Breaking Country wrote:Nation: The Wind Breaking Country
Date: 2-7-23
Issue: The Prints and the Slaughter, no. 850

I chose option 1. “I say we ban these dangerous machines, and give the police force a free hand to confiscate any device or materials that can be used to manufacture gun parts. We must reinforce our zero tolerance gun policy and remind our citizens that no guns keeps them safe.” For some reason, this caused civil rights to go up by 100%. You'd think banning 3D printers and allowing police to run roughshod over anyone who could possibly make a gun would cause civil rights to go down.


BA's explanation of how the stat works is exactly right, as is the point that a 100% change when you're at zero already is not really so much as it sounds like.

That said, looking at the details of what occurred for you, I'm not convinced this particular example is working as intended. I'll look into it.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Holy Catheria » Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:31 pm

Nation: Holy Catheria
Date: 02/08/23
Issue Name: Unknown
I just had an issue concerning street preachers (I apologize that I do not know the exact name of the issue), and I selected the second option which supports the right for street preachers to continue as they are. Strangely enough, this somehow cancels my Theocracy policy. This is the second time this has happened, the first time being when I refused to allow police to interrogate priests for what they hear during confession.
As a fictional nightmare state, this does not represent my views... for the most part. NS stats were hanged for blasphemy.
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