[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[The Saar Commune]

The name of the nation that had this effect: The Saar Commune
The day that this effect was encountered: November 14th, 2019
The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue: #335 Log us Back On

My nation has the "No Video Games" policy, however, even though, according to the effect of my chosen option, locally produced computer games are being released faster than gamers can play them, the previously mentioned policy has not been removed.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

The name of the nation that had this effect: The Saar Commune
The day that this effect was encountered: November 14th, 2019
The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue: #335 Log us Back On

My nation has the "No Video Games" policy, however, even though, according to the effect of my chosen option, locally produced computer games are being released faster than gamers can play them, the previously mentioned policy has not been removed.

Good point. Will fix it.

[Earth Orbit]

In Earth Orbit, option #3 in issue 136 (Much Ado About Abortion) raises Charmlessness by roughly 40% and reduces Social Conservatism by 2%, when I would expect Charmlessness to drop significantly (because, hey, that nation doesn't legalize infanticide!) and Social Conservatism to rise (since you're placing a restriction on what people can do with their bodies.) All other statistic changes make sense.

This was encountered November 16th, 2019.

[The Free Joy State]

In Earth Orbit, option #3 in issue 136 (Much Ado About Abortion) raises Charmlessness by roughly 40% and reduces Social Conservatism by 2%, when I would expect Charmlessness to drop significantly (because, hey, that nation doesn't legalize infanticide!) and Social Conservatism to rise (since you're placing a restriction on what people can do with their bodies.) All other statistic changes make sense.

This was encountered November 16th, 2019.

Charmlessness is a secondary stat (related to a range of backstage stats interacting with your stats) and somewhat unpredictable. Social Conservativism is also a secondary stat, which tends to fall when civil rights rise and vice versa.

Civil rights rose (contributing to the fall in social conservativism) because, to quote myself:

Awhile back, the team (aware of the deep and personal feelings around the sensitive issue of abortion) took the -- perhaps controversial decision -- to (generally speaking, allowing for individual stats) programme a civil rights rise for both banning and allowing abortion.

Due to the strength of emotion it raises, we felt it inappropriate to come down on either side of this debate.

There is nothing unusual in these changes. Though, if you have not done so yet, you may wish to turn on "Show More Stats" in your Settings, which will show the raw numbers, rather than percentages.

[Earth Orbit]

In Earth Orbit, option #3 in issue 136 (Much Ado About Abortion) raises Charmlessness by roughly 40% and reduces Social Conservatism by 2%, when I would expect Charmlessness to drop significantly (because, hey, that nation doesn't legalize infanticide!) and Social Conservatism to rise (since you're placing a restriction on what people can do with their bodies.) All other statistic changes make sense.

This was encountered November 16th, 2019.

Charmlessness is a secondary stat (related to a range of backstage stats interacting with your stats) and somewhat unpredictable. Social Conservativism is also a secondary stat, which tends to fall when civil rights rise and vice versa.

Civil rights rose (contributing to the fall in social conservativism) because, to quote myself:

Awhile back, the team (aware of the deep and personal feelings around the sensitive issue of abortion) took the -- perhaps controversial decision -- to (generally speaking, allowing for individual stats) programme a civil rights rise for both banning and allowing abortion.

Due to the strength of emotion it raises, we felt it inappropriate to come down on either side of this debate.

There is nothing unusual in these changes. Though, if you have not done so yet, you may wish to turn on "Show More Stats" in your Settings, which will show the raw numbers, rather than percentages.

Alright, thank you for the clarification. I do have More Stats enabled.

[Aredita]

- The name of the nation that had this effect........................Aredita
- The day that this effect was encountered..............................11/17/2019
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue.........Issue 105...Compensation Culture Must End, Say Corporations
I received this issue two times, I can't remember when I got it the first time.

[Pogaria]

- The name of the nation that had this effect........................Aredita
- The day that this effect was encountered..............................11/17/2019
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue.........Issue 105...Compensation Culture Must End, Say Corporations
I received this issue two times, I can't remember when I got it the first time.

Yes, it's normal to receive the same issue more than once. Back when there were only 31 issues, everyone received the same issues over and over. With almost 1300 now, that's less common, but it still happens occasionally.

[Aredita]

- The name of the nation that had this effect........................Aredita
- The day that this effect was encountered..............................11/17/2019
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue.........Issue 105...Compensation Culture Must End, Say Corporations
I received this issue two times, I can't remember when I got it the first time.

Yes, it's normal to receive the same issue more than once. Back when there were only 31 issues, everyone received the same issues over and over. With almost 1300 now, that's less common, but it still happens occasionally.

Thank You!

[Lecosia]

Ah... I misinterpreted it as "citizens vote on policies, leaders handle implementation" and not "citizens recommend policies, leaders have final say on everything" You're right, that is autocracy, it's just autocracy where the people's will is done because those in power believe it is important to do so.

Filasira, I had the exact same problem with this question. I feel like the wording of "We should just conduct surveys to find out what policies our citizens want, and you could appoint the most qualified experts to implement them.", is especially confusing, since it is unclear who "you" is in this scenario--clearly it's meant to mean the leader, but I read it as the populace appointing those experts as well.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Ah... I misinterpreted it as "citizens vote on policies, leaders handle implementation" and not "citizens recommend policies, leaders have final say on everything" You're right, that is autocracy, it's just autocracy where the people's will is done because those in power believe it is important to do so.

Filasira, I had the exact same problem with this question. I feel like the wording of "We should just conduct surveys to find out what policies our citizens want, and you could appoint the most qualified experts to implement them.", is especially confusing, since it is unclear who "you" is in this scenario--clearly it's meant to mean the leader, but I read it as the populace appointing those experts as well.

We generally don't encourage further discussion of answered queries, thanks.

[Lord Dominator]

492 on this nation, just now, option 3. It raised my income equality, despite being the option to just sell them off - which would seem to either not affect income equality at (it's a sale after all of what is indicated to be government property at the time) or lower it.

[The Free Joy State]

492 on this nation, just now, option 3. It raised my income equality, despite being the option to just sell them off - which would seem to either not affect income equality at (it's a sale after all of what is indicated to be government property at the time) or lower it.

Not ignoring your query, LD. Have raised this for discussion.

EDIT: Following discussion, this issue has been amended. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[Lord Dominator]

492 on this nation, just now, option 3. It raised my income equality, despite being the option to just sell them off - which would seem to either not affect income equality at (it's a sale after all of what is indicated to be government property at the time) or lower it.

Not ignoring your query, LD. Have raised this for discussion.

EDIT: Following discussion, this issue has been amended. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

You'd be welcome

[Holothia]

I was just (about half an hour ago, as of the time posting this) given issue #551 and picked option two (private sector sponsoring the niece's wedding in exchange for publicising it) for my nation Holothia and my book publishing jumped from -1.98 right up to 124.38.
I don't remember the exact percentage that it said it went up by, but it was over 3000%.
while I do know the text of the option mentioned magazines and such, this increase seems a tad much to me for something directly unrelated to the sector.
I like books, so this unusual result is not entirely unwelcome... just very strange.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I was just (about half an hour ago, as of the time posting this) given issue #551 and picked option two (private sector sponsoring the niece's wedding in exchange for publicising it) for my nation Holothia and my book publishing jumped from -1.98 right up to 124.38.
I don't remember the exact percentage that it said it went up by, but it was over 3000%.
while I do know the text of the option mentioned magazines and such, this increase seems a tad much to me for something directly unrelated to the sector.
I like books, so this unusual result is not entirely unwelcome... just very strange.

Read the first post of this thread, it specifically addresses how percentages work for players like yourself who don't grasp the basic mathematics.

In simple terms, your publishing industry has gone from "almost none" to "barely any". Given the issue subject, this is almost certainly all glossy gossip magazines.

[Cascadiana]

Nation: Cascadiana
Date: Thursday 28th (within 10 minutes of this posting)
Issue: #142 "Roads Like Roller Coasters, Complain Motorists"
Option selected: #1

All effects made sense except that Tourism dropped .057% rather than increasing.

Investments in transportation infrastructure afford higher levels of comfort, convenience and safety for those travelling.

Shouldn't that attract growth in tourism rather than drive tourists away?

[The Free Joy State]

Nation: Cascadiana
Date: Thursday 28th (within 10 minutes of this posting)
Issue: #142 "Roads Like Roller Coasters, Complain Motorists"
Option selected: #1

All effects made sense except that Tourism dropped .057% rather than increasing.

Investments in transportation infrastructure afford higher levels of comfort, convenience and safety for those travelling.

Shouldn't that attract growth in tourism rather than drive tourists away?

I'm not sure why you expected a rise in tourism. The option didn't promise such.

The option is working as intended.

[Cascadiana]

I'm not sure why you expected a rise in tourism. The option didn't promise such.

The option is working as intended.

The option states "These roads must be fixed! There really needs to be vast improvements made now "

How could a "vast improvement" in transportation result in a negative effects in Tourism.

Wouldn't the opposite decision have a negative effect?

Is it certain this is the effect intended on the Tourism stat? If so, understanding the rationale behind it would be very helpful in making other Option decisions.

[Leutria]

I'm not sure why you expected a rise in tourism. The option didn't promise such.

The option is working as intended.

The option states "These roads must be fixed! There really needs to be vast improvements made now "

How could a "vast improvement" in transportation result in a negative effects in Tourism.

Wouldn't the opposite decision have a negative effect?

Is it certain this is the effect intended on the Tourism stat? If so, understanding the rationale behind it would be very helpful in making other Option decisions.

See the known bugs in the first post, also there is a beta that likely would further reduce the effect here. Basically, tourism is tied way to close to environment, so if environment changes tourism is basically guaranteed to move the same way.

[Cascadiana]

See the known bugs in the first post, also there is a beta that likely would further reduce the effect here. Basically, tourism is tied way to close to environment, so if environment changes tourism is basically guaranteed to move the same way.

Ah ha, that would explain it. Environmental Beauty did drop by 0.07%, which I could see from a roadways improvement.

Thank you

[Shventailanka]

One interesting thing I just had: issue#353 “Broadband Going to Birds?”, after choosing the option to mass-replace all internet cables with fiber optic ones, my pizza delivery industry fell by 8.9%. If anything, I would actually expect it to rise, since more people staying at home means more people ordering a delivery (if I’m not mistaken). Any particular reason for it?

[The Free Joy State]

One interesting thing I just had: issue#353 “Broadband Going to Birds?”, after choosing the option to mass-replace all internet cables with fiber optic ones, my pizza delivery industry fell by 8.9%. If anything, I would actually expect it to rise, since more people staying at home means more people ordering a delivery (if I’m not mistaken). Any particular reason for it?

Better internet provision does not mean more people will be staying home and the option does not guarantee a stronger pizza delivery industry.

There is nothing unusual here.

[Bears Armed]

One interesting thing I just had: issue#353 “Broadband Going to Birds?”, after choosing the option to mass-replace all internet cables with fiber optic ones, my pizza delivery industry fell by 8.9%. If anything, I would actually expect it to rise, since more people staying at home means more people ordering a delivery (if I’m not mistaken). Any particular reason for it?

There's a general tendency in NS issues for increases in one industry to be "balanced" by decreases in the others, so that the overall total remains much the same.

[Oysen Empire]

I got this weird effect on issue 146. Evolution: Truth or Witchcraft?

I chose the second option, teaching creationism. I received the theocracy policy. I know theocracy fits this puppet nation, but how does teaching only creationism in schools imply theocracy? Maybe it is the wording of this issue, but I don't know. Getting theocracy seems off.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I got this weird effect on issue 146. Evolution: Truth or Witchcraft?

I chose the second option, teaching creationism. I received the theocracy policy. I know theocracy fits this puppet nation, but how does teaching only creationism in schools imply theocracy? Maybe it is the wording of this issue, but I don't know. Getting theocracy seems off.

The first post FAQ covers this.