[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Ransium]

So on Issue #845, "A Comedy Of Errors," I chose Option 2, which states "Comedy is a form of art, not a nuisance to the credibility of politicians and leaders. The government should not have a say on how we tell our jokes."

Yet for some reason this reduced my Political Freedom? I feel as though this is a mistake, unless there's some reasoning I'm not understanding.

Nation: Mirchusko
Issue: "Criminals to Vote?" number 320
Date: 28 October 2017
Choice: Option 2 (allow prisoners to vote)

Confusing outcomes: minor decrease in Civil Rights (82.3 to 81.3) and Political Freedom (82.5 to 81.3). Authoritarianism went from .03 to .04, which is a little weird but probably due to the decrease in the others? I'm just a bit annoyed because I'm trying hard to max out freedoms without trashing my economy and this issue seemed like an easy pick.

Okay, the same thing is happening with both of these. The way political freedoms are calculated got adjusted slightly, this adjustment is being expressed in your next issue choice. In both cases, the choice didn't make your political freedoms change, the model adjustment did. In fact, for Michusko the choice without the model adjustment would have indeed increased political freedoms.

Also to Michusko your civil rights weren't actually affected by that choice.

[Teh War Machine]

Option 3 of 194 doesn't affect defense forces and increases political freedom?

Apparently I was skipped.

[Ransium]

Option 3 of 194 doesn't affect defense forces and increases political freedom?

Apparently I was skipped.

Same answer, I think, model recalibration. It would normally have increased defense force and decreased political freedoms.

[Awesome country of jj]

Issue 552 Option 3. Why would it decrease my scientific advancement?

[Ransium]

Issue 552 Option 3. Why would it decrease my scientific advancement?

The answer with scientific advancement is always secondary effects. In this this case the choice doesn't suggest the most intelligent populace perhaps.

[Ustrzyki Dolne]

- The name of the nation that had this effect Ustrzyki Dolne
- The day that this effect was encountered 30/10/2017
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue. I got issue #008 "Nudists Demand Time In Sun" and chose the option to make nudity compulsory.

My Social Conservatism went up and I got reclassified from an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy to a Moralistic Democracy. This seems counterintuitive...

[Trotterdam]

My Social Conservatism went up and I got reclassified from an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy to a Moralistic Democracy. This seems counterintuitive...

Your nation now considers clothing immoral, and so is more moralistic.

[[violet]]

It can; I'll raise it with Editors.

Thanks a lot!

P.S: Will my stats be fixed as well?

It would be a model change, so yes, if we start recognizing feudalism's impact on income inequality, it would automatically correct all nations.

That's different to when an issue option is recoded, which only affects nations selecting that option in the future.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Cheers for taking this on, violet.

May not be apparent front-of-house, but right now violet is a dynamo of insane levels of activity and working closely with the backstage issues team, so expect lots of long awaited game engine fixes to be happening in the not distant future.

[The North Polish Union]

My Social Conservatism went up and I got reclassified from an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy to a Moralistic Democracy. This seems counterintuitive...

Your nation now considers clothing immoral, and so is more moralistic.

FWIW, Ustrzyki Dolne is my puppet.

How does this work? If nothing is immoral how can my nation be more moralistic?

Also why does Social Conservatism increase? The fact that the game determines this for all nations means that there must be some "objective" in-game standard for Social Conservatism and I've never heard of anyone who defines compulsory nudity as socially conservative. Usually it's the opposite.

[Luna Amore]

Your nation now considers clothing immoral, and so is more moralistic.

FWIW, Ustrzyki Dolne is my puppet.

How does this work? If nothing is immoral how can my nation be more moralistic?

Also why does Social Conservatism increase? The fact that the game determines this for all nations means that there must be some "objective" in-game standard for Social Conservatism and I've never heard of anyone who defines compulsory nudity as socially conservative. Usually it's the opposite.

You are forcing people to do something -> restricts civil rights -> raises social conservatism.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Thanks a lot!

P.S: Will my stats be fixed as well?

It would be a model change, so yes, if we start recognizing feudalism's impact on income inequality, it would automatically correct all nations.

That's different to when an issue option is recoded, which only affects nations selecting that option in the future.

Thanks, Violet, for all the work you do for us NationStaters!

[Trotterdam]

Your nation now considers clothing immoral, and so is more moralistic.

How does this work? If nothing is immoral how can my nation be more moralistic?

What does that have to do with what I said?

I've never heard of anyone who defines compulsory nudity as socially conservative. Usually it's the opposite.

Compulsory nudity isn't exactly something supported by liberals, either.

Are you aware what the word "compulsory" means?

[Jutsa]

I think you meant to put NPU in the last quote tag, Trotterdam...

[The North Polish Union]

FWIW, Ustrzyki Dolne is my puppet.

How does this work? If nothing is immoral how can my nation be more moralistic?

Also why does Social Conservatism increase? The fact that the game determines this for all nations means that there must be some "objective" in-game standard for Social Conservatism and I've never heard of anyone who defines compulsory nudity as socially conservative. Usually it's the opposite.

You are forcing people to do something -> restricts civil rights -> raises social conservatism.

Ah, I see. That makes a bit more sense

Your nation now considers clothing immoral, and so is more moralistic.

How does this work? If nothing is immoral how can my nation be more moralistic?

What does that have to do with what I said?

Sorry, I misread "clothing" as "nothing." My bad.

I've never heard of anyone who defines compulsory nudity as socially conservative. Usually it's the opposite.

Compulsory nudity isn't exactly something supported by liberals, either.

Are you aware what the word "compulsory" means?[/quote]
TBH I doubt either side of the aisle supports compulsory nudity. I think my confusion about your first post was what threw me off. I see what you're saying now.

[Trotterdam]

Alright, glad that's cleared up.

[Abyrvalg]

Today I banned strong liquors and got decrease of Intelligence
Quips Per Hour 92.13 → 92.08 0.05%
(Last Call For Alcohol? #2)
Less alcoholism could only increase Intelligence.

[Twilva Thir]

On the issue "Women In Uniform Under Fire", I allowed everyone that could shoot and were of excellent physical build to join. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, went up or down.

Except for inclusiveness, which went up 1.6%, and that was the only stat that changed.

[Greater Istanistan]

So on issue 75, I picked option 3, which was to take felons and make them work off their sentences. As far as options go, that isn't that uncommon, and even for a garbo socialist country this is basically just gulags I guess. It dropped my poor income, which I'd been working on, by 40%. Apart from that, the issue's effects weren't really that wild. Is this normal? Sorry!

[[violet]]

So on issue 75, I picked option 3, which was to take felons and make them work off their sentences. As far as options go, that isn't that uncommon, and even for a garbo socialist country this is basically just gulags I guess. It dropped my poor income, which I'd been working on, by 40%. Apart from that, the issue's effects weren't really that wild. Is this normal? Sorry!

Average income of the poor usually drops a lot when you institute slavery because you have people working for nothing. This was particularly the case in your nation, because previously wages were very equal between rich and poor.

[Abyrvalg]

In "Ornery Overcrowding Problem" I just have chose to build high buildings to save more land for the nature; but Eco-Friendliness & Environmental Beauty decreased.

Eco-Friendliness
Dolphin Recycling Awareness Index 9,852.18 → 9,831.45 0.21%

Environmental Beauty
Pounds Of Wildlife Per Square Mile 2,010.62 → 1,990.74 0.99%

[Abyrvalg]

In "Sky High" I legalized drugs - and that increased Intelligence?!

Recreational Drug Use
Pineapple Fondness Rating 63.00 → 96.40 53.0%

Intelligence
Quips Per Hour 92.21 → 92.47 0.28%

*murmuring* I am a hippie myself, bro, but isn't something wrong with your ideology, dude?..

[Ransium]

In "Ornery Overcrowding Problem" I just have chose to build high buildings to save more land for the nature; but Eco-Friendliness & Environmental Beauty decreased.

Eco-Friendliness
Dolphin Recycling Awareness Index 9,852.18 → 9,831.45 0.21%

Environmental Beauty
Pounds Of Wildlife Per Square Mile 2,010.62 → 1,990.74 0.99%

There's no need to post the changes, we can easily look them up if it's an issue you recently answered. Anyway, this is working as intended, as per CWA's recent changes to the issue. I haven't been involved in the stat changes of late so I shouldn't get much of a vote, but it does seem a bit harsh for something that's not that well telegraphed. I'm sure CWA will see this in the next few days and he can decide whether he wants to change it or not.

In "Sky High" I legalized drugs - and that increased Intelligence?!

Recreational Drug Use
Pineapple Fondness Rating 63.00 → 96.40 53.0%

Intelligence
Quips Per Hour 92.21 → 92.47 0.28%

*murmuring* I am a hippie myself, bro, but isn't something wrong with your ideology, dude?..

Note that it's a change of .26 quips per hour, which considering the max in the world is 642, is not a lot. Generally, with minor changes like this the answer is always going to be the same, secondary effects of the model. In this case generally, when you increase civil rights your population's intelligence will increase a bit.

[Aclion]

i just answered #243: A Question Of Faith; taking the option to decline to name an official faith and my inclusiveness went up almost 30 points.
It makes perfect sense that it would go up for nations that enforce religious policies; but it seems like a big change for a nation like mine, which has always taken a hands off approach with religion.

[Fauxia]

i just answered #243: A Question Of Faith; taking the option to decline to name an official faith and my inclusiveness went up almost 30 points.
It makes perfect sense that it would go up for nations that enforce religious policies; but it seems like a big change for a nation like mine, which has always taken a hands off approach with religion.

Your inclusiveness is quite low, so it was even lower before. The game tries to normalize most stats, and will take any excuse to do so. That’s how I understand it, anyway.