[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Caracasus]

It may help if you think of your effect lines as what your nation's tabloid papers are saying the day after you bring in the new legislation.

[Lord Dominator]

It may help if you think of your effect lines as what your nation's tabloid papers are saying the day after you bring in the new legislation.

The tabloids that really exaggerate or just plain make stuff up at that

[He Qixin]

858.2:

“It’s the patriotic duty of every citizen to participate in juries,” reminds your Justice Minister. “The fact that some people think of creative excuses to get out of it is offensive to say the least. We need to make jury duty mandatory for all citizens, and make the randomized selection the final selection. Picking and choosing jurors is too prone to corruption and legal manipulation, no matter how well-intentioned the selection process may be.”

Following new legislation in First Dictatorship, a five-year-old and a convicted terrorist can sit alongside one another in jury service.

First Dictatorship's civil rights for some reason decreased.

[Luna Amore]

858.2:

“It’s the patriotic duty of every citizen to participate in juries,” reminds your Justice Minister. “The fact that some people think of creative excuses to get out of it is offensive to say the least. We need to make jury duty mandatory for all citizens, and make the randomized selection the final selection. Picking and choosing jurors is too prone to corruption and legal manipulation, no matter how well-intentioned the selection process may be.”

First Dictatorship's civil rights for some reason decreased.

Where's the confusion? Make jury duty mandatory -> lower civil rights. Very small drop.

[He Qixin]

858.2:

“It’s the patriotic duty of every citizen to participate in juries,” reminds your Justice Minister. “The fact that some people think of creative excuses to get out of it is offensive to say the least. We need to make jury duty mandatory for all citizens, and make the randomized selection the final selection. Picking and choosing jurors is too prone to corruption and legal manipulation, no matter how well-intentioned the selection process may be.”

First Dictatorship's civil rights for some reason decreased.

Where's the confusion? Make jury duty mandatory -> lower civil rights. Very small drop.

Sorry if the fallout was posted late, but the fallout has absolutely nothing to do with and does not show it would lower civil rights.

[Luna Amore]

Where's the confusion? Make jury duty mandatory -> lower civil rights. Very small drop.

Sorry if the fallout was posted late, but the fallout has absolutely nothing to do with and does not show it would lower civil rights.

I don't know what you are talking about now. It lowered that nation's CR. The backend code looks solid.

[Sanctaria]

Sorry if the fallout was posted late, but the fallout has absolutely nothing to do with and does not show it would lower civil rights.

I don't know what you are talking about now. It lowered that nation's CR. The backend code looks solid.

Can confirm, everything is working as intended.

[He Qixin]

Now, I think THIS needs some fixing:

It seems that whenever you boost military budgets, political freedoms decrease for some reason. This happen to one of my relatively new puppets a few weeks ago by answering 24.2.

[Sanctaria]

Now, I think THIS needs some fixing:

It seems that whenever you boost military budgets, political freedoms decrease for some reason. This happen to one of my relatively new puppets a few weeks ago by answering 24.2.

Ok so how are we supposed to check to something to ensure nothing went wrong if you don't give us the name of the puppet.

[He Qixin]

Now, I think THIS needs some fixing:

It seems that whenever you boost military budgets, political freedoms decrease for some reason. This happen to one of my relatively new puppets a few weeks ago by answering 24.2.

Ok so how are we supposed to check to something to ensure nothing went wrong if you don't give us the name of the puppet.

I think it's either ProDrugger, Following new legislation in, or First Dictatorship

It's definitely Following new legislation in.

Also, a few weeks ago, He Qixin has decided to open up the arms industry but regulate it, and the stat for that went down (from a negative number to an even lower negative number). I wasn't against the industry, I just wanted regulations for it.

[Sanctaria]

Ok so how are we supposed to check to something to ensure nothing went wrong if you don't give us the name of the puppet.

I think it's either ProDrugger, Following new legislation in, or First Dictatorship

I'm not going through three to find it. You figure out which puppet it was and let us know.

[Sanctaria]

Ok so how are we supposed to check to something to ensure nothing went wrong if you don't give us the name of the puppet.

I think it's either ProDrugger, Following new legislation in, or First Dictatorship

It's definitely Following new legislation in.

*sigh* That nation has never answered issue 24.

Look, if there is a bug, some other nation will report it. If it's not reported, assume there was no bug and you made a mistake.

Ah sorry, I can see you answered it on April 24th.

Political freedoms don't necessarily go down with military spending, it just so happens in this option two different stats were applied that made it happen on this occasion. Honestly I'm not sure why, so leave that with me to figure out.

Also, a few weeks ago, He Qixin has decided to open up the arms industry but regulate it, and the stat for that went down (from a negative number to an even lower negative number). I wasn't against the industry, I just wanted regulations for it.

"a few weeks ago". No issue number. How is this helpful?

Ok new rule for you from now on. Before you post with an unusual effect, please have the issue number, the puppet it happened on, and if you don't catch it in a couple of days, the approx. date you received it.

[Sanctaria]

I think it's either ProDrugger, Following new legislation in, or First Dictatorship

It's definitely Following new legislation in.

*sigh* That nation has never answered issue 24.

Look, if there is a bug, some other nation will report it. If it's not reported, assume there was no bug and you made a mistake.

Ah sorry, I can see you answered it on April 24th.

Political freedoms don't necessarily go down with military spending, it just so happens in this option two different stats were applied that made it happen on this occasion. Honestly I'm not sure why, so leave that with me to figure out.

So I've adjusted the stats on this issue. It'd been flagged internally for a fix, but with all going on, it was overlooked.

[He Qixin]

"a few weeks ago". No issue number. How is this helpful?

Ok new rule for you from now on. Before you post with an unusual effect, please have the issue number, the puppet it happened on, and if you don't catch it in a couple of days, the approx. date you received it.

It was this nation, 137.3, around February-March, this year. Also, thanks for dealing with the milita-political-freedoms problem!

Anyway, my problem is, in that option, the speaker clearly states that

"We can't ban arms sales

and furthermore

we don't lose too many sales

The arms industry get to sell their guns

despite the speaker wants to "implement additional safety checks" on the arms industry too.

I was expecting my arms industry to turn into a positive number, albeit it would be low, but not only did that not happen, the arms industry unexpectedly decreased.

[Candensia]

"a few weeks ago". No issue number. How is this helpful?

Ok new rule for you from now on. Before you post with an unusual effect, please have the issue number, the puppet it happened on, and if you don't catch it in a couple of days, the approx. date you received it.

It was this nation, 137.3, around February-March, this year. Also, thanks for dealing with the milita-political-freedoms problem!

Anyway, my problem is, in that option, the speaker clearly states that

"We can't ban arms sales

and furthermore

we don't lose too many sales

The arms industry get to sell their guns

despite the speaker wants to "implement additional safety checks" on the arms industry too.

I was expecting my arms industry to turn into a positive number, albeit it would be low, but not only did that not happen, the arms industry unexpectedly decreased.

You imposed more regulations on the Arms Manufacturing industry, the speaker was trying to downplay the losses, but one can *easily* conclude that “additional safety checks” will lower productivity, and therefore it makes complete sense that arms manufacturing decreased.

[He Qixin]

It was this nation, 137.3, around February-March, this year. Also, thanks for dealing with the milita-political-freedoms problem!

Anyway, my problem is, in that option, the speaker clearly states that

"We can't ban arms sales

and furthermore

we don't lose too many sales

The arms industry get to sell their guns

despite the speaker wants to "implement additional safety checks" on the arms industry too.

I was expecting my arms industry to turn into a positive number, albeit it would be low, but not only did that not happen, the arms industry unexpectedly decreased.

You imposed more regulations on the Arms Manufacturing industry, the speaker was trying to downplay the losses, but one can *easily* conclude that “additional safety checks” will lower productivity, and therefore it makes complete sense that arms manufacturing decreased.

ughhh ok then

[Luna Amore]

"a few weeks ago". No issue number. How is this helpful?

Ok new rule for you from now on. Before you post with an unusual effect, please have the issue number, the puppet it happened on, and if you don't catch it in a couple of days, the approx. date you received it.

It was this nation, 137.3, around February-March, this year.

Again for future reference, you need an exact date or there's no point reporting. We aren't sifting through 2 months of issues on a nation.

[Krusavich]

For this nation today, I got issue 307, chose option 1

Politicians are often found scavenging bins at night to supplement their income.

This increased my corruption by a bit. I can see why it would, but I'm a little confused since the only other option for this issue would have resulted in;

Newspapers cannot report anything about politicians without their explicit consent.

Both of these options seem to increase corruption. I guess I'm just wondering if that's intentional, since I find it a little strange that an issue like this is just going to increase corruption no matter what (barring dismissals).

[Trotterdam]

#439 3 increases Taxation. This is totally reasonable, but contradicts the recent editor pretense that Taxation really means only income tax.

[Sanctaria]

You imposed more regulations on the Arms Manufacturing industry, the speaker was trying to downplay the losses, but one can *easily* conclude that “additional safety checks” will lower productivity, and therefore it makes complete sense that arms manufacturing decreased.

ughhh ok then

So it's right that regulations would hurt your industry, but after a quick discussion, we've changed the severity of the hit that option provides. Thanks for your report.

And it was March 25th you got this issue. It's now May 4th.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

I have an issue with 137 as well, but with option 1 - why would my civil rights increase when I crackdown on protests against the arms industry?

[Candlewhisper Archive]

#439 3 increases Taxation. This is totally reasonable, but contradicts the recent editor pretense that Taxation really means only income tax.

Yep. That pretense wasn't fudged in till recently, so at the time that issue was edited we didn't have a fixed direction on these things, and the stat review hadn't reached there yet. Amended it for now.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I have an issue with 137 as well, but with option 1 - why would my civil rights increase when I crackdown on protests against the arms industry?

As per the opening FAQ, competing civil rights. While being anti-protest is anti freedom, relaxing gun laws is pro freedom.

I'll rebalance the magnitudes though, to reduce the balance of nations that simulate this as a net pro-freedom move.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

For this nation today, I got issue 307, chose option 1

Politicians are often found scavenging bins at night to supplement their income.

This increased my corruption by a bit. I can see why it would, but I'm a little confused since the only other option for this issue would have resulted in;

Newspapers cannot report anything about politicians without their explicit consent.

Both of these options seem to increase corruption. I guess I'm just wondering if that's intentional, since I find it a little strange that an issue like this is just going to increase corruption no matter what (barring dismissals).

It's a complex one, and corruption could rise OR fall with either option.

The core logic here is that while its corrupting to let politicians set their own wages, having poorly paid career politicians also makes them more prone to being externally influenced by financial incentives, for example by bribes. Hunger makes a thief of any man, as Pearl S. Buck wrote.

It's not perfect logic, I know, but in past discussions its where we agreed to end up on this.

[Trithereon]

316 is one of those rare issues that does NOT erroneously conflate the right of self-defense with violating "freedom of movement"; those are two separate options. Yet when I choose the option for no government involvement, it STILL increases my authoritarianism!