[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Jutsa]

That's not to say that those industries don't exist unless narrative says they're banned, like gambling.
(and even then I'm sure people will gamble in their basements and keep hush-hush about it unless you have a drone state.)

Still, what Cekoviu said more-or-less sums it up.

[Cekoviu]

#896 option 2 gives me no increase in public healthcare even though the option increases its funding. Does the public healthcare stat only consider how widespread facilities are and not how much funding healthcare receives?

[He Qixin]

I think this is 243.1 (if I'm not mistaken).

My corruption went down by a huge ton, yet my political freedoms also tanked.

Why?

Also, in general, why do you almost always have to sacrifice political freedoms for higher integrity?

[The Free Joy State]

#896 option 2 gives me no increase in public healthcare even though the option increases its funding. Does the public healthcare stat only consider how widespread facilities are and not how much funding healthcare receives?

The option bans parking charges, but makes no mention of adding extra funding to the healthcare budget to cover a shortfall; rather, the option implies the hospitals are expected to cover it with existing funding and fundraising efforts (quote: "Ban them from charging people to park their cars! If they're really that strapped for cash, they can always run a charity drive or something.").

Therefore, there's no increase in healthcare funding suggested with this option.

I think this is 243.1 (if I'm not mistaken).

My corruption went down by a huge ton, yet my political freedoms also tanked.

Why?

Also, in general, why do you almost always have to sacrifice political freedoms for higher integrity?

Issue #234, but I found it. This option was for banning corporate lobbies. Here is the option (bolded):

"It disgusts me how much this government is eating out of the hands of corporations," says Kasie Wilk, an anti-corporate activist. "A government's first priority is supposed to be its people! @@NAME@@! Not some faceless company interested in nothing but money! The right to petition is for individual citizens, not for multinational companies that answer to no one."

By banning companies from petitioning, you're reducing the potential for large companies to corrupt the political process, but also inhibiting their right to participate in the political arena.

And, despite how it may appear, it is possible to strike a nice balance between being low on corruption and high on political freedom. I've managed on a puppet.

[Phydios]

Also, in general, why do you almost always have to sacrifice political freedoms for higher integrity?

And, despite how it may appear, it is possible to strike a nice balance between being low on corruption and high on political freedom. I've managed on a puppet.

Seriously, He Qixin. Integrity and political freedom are not incompatible.

[God Fearing Devoted]

Corruption DROPS when the press can't report on politicians spending habits?

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

NationStates Issue 483:
How the hell does CRUSHING LABOR STRIKES increase income equality? Note that the strikers were demanding better wages.

[Dwarfpolis]

There was some issue where the result gotten me was "agricultural research is the dominant field in universities" (paraphrase), and my cheese production and lifespan decreased although they are pretty irrelevant to that. Thoughts? I'll try to find that issue

EDIT: Following new legislation in Dwarfpolis, agricultural science is the most competitive subject at universities

Sounds like it ought only to have beneficial effects on living standards

EDIT2: The issue is no. 235 I picked option 4

[Clean Land]

NationStates Issue 483:
How the hell does CRUSHING LABOR STRIKES increase income equality? Note that the strikers were demanding better wages.

Are you sure that you didn't have a more restrictive policy on labor strikes? Because if you did then you just lowered your standard. Had something like that happen to me a few times.

[Allied Iran]

issue #161. The one about Inheritence tax.
I picked the "abolish Inheritence tax" option... and my tax increased more than half a percent.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

NationStates Issue 483:
How the hell does CRUSHING LABOR STRIKES increase income equality? Note that the strikers were demanding better wages.

Are you sure that you didn't have a more restrictive policy on labor strikes? Because if you did then you just lowered your standard. Had something like that happen to me a few times.

To be honest, I don't know. Stuff like that hasn't been coded into the Policies page and I've gone through so many issues I forgot.

By the way, thanks for the insight! I never thought of it that way before, because I tend to forget the results of my issues unless it ticks me off somehow.

[Averdone]

Issue: 774, Clean Switch
Selection: Option 1, State-Planned Economy

This option made foreign job qualifications legitimate in my nation. That way, immigrants in lower-income jobs were able to use their education to get skilled jobs with higher incomes. Thus, shouldn't my Average Income of the Poor go up? Or, at the least, not change? It went down a whopping 5.4% for me, which is absolutely detrimental to everything I've been trying to do in my nation for the past month or so. Even more, Income Equality went down 10%, which is really disheartening, as I just managed to get it to almost 85. This Option, I assumed, would be one of the few issues that loosen my economic freedom in order to allow poorer people to obtain higher income jobs and make more money. Please help

Image of the worst outcomes of this issue:

https://imgur.com/a/5I3EV

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Today, 5 mins ago
Issue no. 238 option 1 (ban 'em)

Why doesn't it raise social conservatism at all?

[Fauxia]

Today, 5 mins ago
Issue no. 238 option 1 (ban 'em)

Why doesn't it raise social conservatism at all?

I think your stances against homosexuals, in-character, are very clear at this point, so this is only to be expected

[Trotterdam]

This Option, I assumed, would be one of the few issues that loosen my economic freedom in order to allow poorer people to obtain higher income jobs and make more money.

Yeah, the game doesn't have that logic. Increasing economic freedom means hurting the poor. Even if it's economic freedom for the poor.

[Dwarfpolis]

"the law is more interested in punishing crime than preventing it."

Social conservatism decrases???

[Dwarfpolis]

I answered option 1 to issue 457 (the my rushless one) and stats like hdi and lifespan decreased for no reason indicated in the issue text or result. Please review the issue mechanics and give me back my damn hdi and lifespan stat

[The Free Joy State]

"the law is more interested in punishing crime than preventing it."

Social conservatism decrases???

The option you picked promises to preserve "the letter of the law, but freedom as well."

Protecting freedom will help to lower social conservatism.

I answered option 1 to issue 457 (the my rushless one) and stats like hdi and lifespan decreased for no reason indicated in the issue text or result. Please review the issue mechanics and give me back my damn hdi and lifespan stat

The issue is working as intended. Lifespan and the Human Development Index are secondary statistics, not directly affected by any one thing. However, in this issue, they are partially related to the destruction of a National Park to build Mr. Rump's manmade tourist trap. Testing this issue on a number of my puppets produced the exact same result.

As for your stats, we can't programme them back to where they were.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

I think your stances against homosexuals, in-character, are very clear at this point, so this is only to be expected

Is this the technical answer? The conservatism stat did not even showup in the effects, meaning it's not encoded.

[The Free Joy State]

I think your stances against homosexuals, in-character, are very clear at this point, so this is only to be expected

Is this the technical answer? The conservatism stat did not even showup in the effects, meaning it's not encoded.

That's not what it means. It merely means that your conservatism in this area is already so high at this point that this particular option could not take it any higher. A different nation would receive a significantly different result.

Fauxia was quite correct.

[Roman-Britannic Empire]

Issue 907 lowered civil rights with the GPS trackers on bikes option,.

If I'm not mistaken this was about bike sharing programs. There are a communal pool of bikes. People take bikes from one stop to another and drop it off. There had been theft of these bikes forcing them to be replaced. The trackers are not on everyone's bikes, but just the bikes in these programs which are 100% voluntary.

Now if that option meant tracking ALL bikes including people's private ones, that could make sense that it lowred civil rights, but then there should be an option that only tracks the communal ones that don't lower civil rights.

[Caracasus]

Issue 907 lowered civil rights with the GPS trackers on bikes option,.

If I'm not mistaken this was about bike sharing programs. There are a communal pool of bikes. People take bikes from one stop to another and drop it off. There had been theft of these bikes forcing them to be replaced. The trackers are not on everyone's bikes, but just the bikes in these programs which are 100% voluntary.

Now if that option meant tracking ALL bikes including people's private ones, that could make sense that it lowred civil rights, but then there should be an option that only tracks the communal ones that don't lower civil rights.

The option states:

“Clearly, this is a failure of the private sector,” claims George W. Amin, the Minister of National Development, adjusting his red beret. “If such enterprises were to be nationalised, we could ensure that all bicycles used meet safety and security standards. By retrofitting every bike in the land with theft-proof components, auto-locking mechanisms and GPS tracking systems, we’ll be able to ensure no bicycle will ever be stolen or tampered with again.”

In this instance you are fitting every bike in the land with tracking devices. That's why you've got a small hit to your civil rights.

It's the nature of NS that options are often extreme. We seldom present logical, well thought out options as NS is a reflection of the real world where people seldom make logical, well thought out decisions about issues.

[Trotterdam]

Now if that option meant tracking ALL bikes including people's private ones, that could make sense that it lowred civil rights,

That would lower civil rights MORE.

[God Fearing Devoted]

I just forbade LEO from striking. Law Enforcement FELL, are they striking anyway?

[He Qixin]

Alright, I think this needs an explanation, though I forgot the issue and option that I chose.

(This happened today, a few hours ago, on this nation.)

So I let virtually all my economic activity to take place in my capital city.

My book publishing industry and (if I didn't remember wrongly) my retail industry (and basically any commerical industries and sectors) enjoyed a boost.

On the negative side, however, my basket weaving industry, agricultural sector, manufacturing sector and trout fishing industry (and basically any industry or sector that is related to agriculture or manufacturing) all got lowered, and by quite an amount too.

Why?