[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Kuriko]

Hello there! My first time here, so that's neat.

Nation affected: Kuriko
Day it was affected: Today, September 11th 2018
Name and Number of Issue: The Forbidden Fruit, Issue #908

I got this issue and selected option 2:

Issue: The Prime Minister of the massive agricultural nation of Ausblic has sent you a rather unconventional gift: five thousand fruit baskets worth 100 Lincs each. Now, crates of fruit baskets occupy almost all available space in your office.

2. “Nice try, but our leader is incorruptible!” snarls your devoted Home Secretary Rochelle Mitchell, her Empress Kuriko is Love, Empress Kuriko is Life T-shirt visible through her shirt. “We must destroy all of these odious offerings, and show that we have zero tolerance of graft. Harsh punishments must be given to anyone who tries to bribe government officials. Only then will our glorious nation be free of corruption!”

I thought it would decrease corruption, yet corruption in my nation went up like, 10% I think. It rose from .70 to .77, and that makes no sense to me. How would corruption go up if I'm selecting an option to make it go down??

[Arimusia]

Today, 13 hours ago on 9/11/18, I got issue #123: Now, Vat's Food For Thought . Earlier in the week, I had done issue #1028: Can’t Get Enough of You Baby, in which I embraced vats.

Seeing as I regretted my decision, I was happy to get something so soon to reverse the effects, as I chose option # 4 on the issue:

**4. "This is all abhorrent and aberrant!" declares @@RANDOMNAME@@, the High H'gradskas of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Unorthodox Church. "You can't just create meat. It's against God's will, and you'll find that pretty much every other religion will back me up on this one. Living things were designed to be born. Or hatched. Or germinated. And then there's mitosis of course, but that's not the point - the point is that there are some things that Men were not meant to meddle with. We should keep well away from the whole cloning business altogether."**

The outcome said that "Following new legislation in Arimusia, cloning has been banned"

Yet somehow, my people are still vat-grown, with the fact proudly displayed in my profile.

I find this paradoxical, as I've clearly sided with a person who wanted to end the vat program, and the game clearly stated I've ended the vat program, yet the policy remains.

The only explanation I could think up was that I was 'genetically engineering' and not 'cloning,' but I truly think I deserve natural births back as the High H'gradskas wanted.

[Agnatoli]

#768

4.“Pfft, slow-mo food and drink is so last century,” mocks Aphrodite True, your Chief of Science, while digging into her microwave burrito. “What you need is instant tea, in a can, with some sort of heating widget that triggers with the ring pull, and plenty of preservatives to make it last. Once again, science has the answer! So, shall I assign some government grants for food technology research, or what?”

Woa was 13.2% of my manufacturing some of the foods?(manufacturing crash)

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Hello there! My first time here, so that's neat.

Nation affected: Kuriko
Day it was affected: Today, September 11th 2018
Name and Number of Issue: The Forbidden Fruit, Issue #908

I got this issue and selected option 2:

Issue: The Prime Minister of the massive agricultural nation of Ausblic has sent you a rather unconventional gift: five thousand fruit baskets worth 100 Lincs each. Now, crates of fruit baskets occupy almost all available space in your office.

2. “Nice try, but our leader is incorruptible!” snarls your devoted Home Secretary Rochelle Mitchell, her Empress Kuriko is Love, Empress Kuriko is Life T-shirt visible through her shirt. “We must destroy all of these odious offerings, and show that we have zero tolerance of graft. Harsh punishments must be given to anyone who tries to bribe government officials. Only then will our glorious nation be free of corruption!”

I thought it would decrease corruption, yet corruption in my nation went up like, 10% I think. It rose from .70 to .77, and that makes no sense to me. How would corruption go up if I'm selecting an option to make it go down??

Edge case technical reasons resulting in bad simulation.

Basically, there's a long-standing simulation direction to have corruption rise as political freedom falls. However, there's also a political freedom subcategory relating to the freedom to bribe. This meant that often, issues that were meant to be restrict political bribery resulted in higher corruption, and vice versa. I observed this and asked for a fix.

This fix wasn't easy to unpick, for complicated technical reasons that I cannot hope to comprehend, but a clever fudge was put in place. This clever fudge works most of the time. Yours is one of the edge cases where it doesn't.

I'm not aware of any way to fix this, and better minds that mine have tried and failed. So sorry, that's the way it goes.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Today, 13 hours ago on 9/11/18, I got issue #123: Now, Vat's Food For Thought . Earlier in the week, I had done issue #1028: Can’t Get Enough of You Baby, in which I embraced vats.

Seeing as I regretted my decision, I was happy to get something so soon to reverse the effects, as I chose option # 4 on the issue:

**4. "This is all abhorrent and aberrant!" declares @@RANDOMNAME@@, the High H'gradskas of the @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Unorthodox Church. "You can't just create meat. It's against God's will, and you'll find that pretty much every other religion will back me up on this one. Living things were designed to be born. Or hatched. Or germinated. And then there's mitosis of course, but that's not the point - the point is that there are some things that Men were not meant to meddle with. We should keep well away from the whole cloning business altogether."**

The outcome said that "Following new legislation in Arimusia, cloning has been banned"

Yet somehow, my people are still vat-grown, with the fact proudly displayed in my profile.

I find this paradoxical, as I've clearly sided with a person who wanted to end the vat program, and the game clearly stated I've ended the vat program, yet the policy remains.

The only explanation I could think up was that I was 'genetically engineering' and not 'cloning,' but I truly think I deserve natural births back as the High H'gradskas wanted.

Thanks have the report.

Have now fixed it so that nations that have vat people can't get this issue, which makes most narrative sense.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

#768

4.“Pfft, slow-mo food and drink is so last century,” mocks Aphrodite True, your Chief of Science, while digging into her microwave burrito. “What you need is instant tea, in a can, with some sort of heating widget that triggers with the ring pull, and plenty of preservatives to make it last. Once again, science has the answer! So, shall I assign some government grants for food technology research, or what?”

Woa was 13.2% of my manufacturing some of the foods?(manufacturing crash)

Please be more clear on what the unexpected effect was.

[Techolandia]

Using this nation a few minutes ago, for issue #1043 (Foundering Fashionistas), I chose option #2, which subsidizes business skills classes. However, my employment decreased, even though one would think that it would increase my employment by helping entrepreneurs to be more successful.

[The Free Joy State]

Using this nation a few minutes ago, for issue #1043 (Foundering Fashionistas), I chose option #2, which subsidizes business skills classes. However, my employment decreased, even though one would think that it would increase my employment by helping entrepreneurs to be more successful.

Employment is one of those weird stats; it can be directly influenced or can be secondary (depending on whether it's directly mentioned in the issue). If secondary, it's influenced by a huge number of stats. Here, employment increases are not mentioned in the story (so can't be assumed) and employment is entirely a secondary stat, impacted by the backstage stats and on your individual stats.

If it helps, think of it narratively: they're being given help with business skills, but there's no guarantee that they'll go into or stay in business. How many business don't get off the ground and fail each year, due to a variety of factors? It's not always due to having the right skills; a skilled person opening the wrong business in the wrong place at the wrong time could still fall flat on their face.

[Arimusia]

It happened again...

Issue #25: Cloning Research Promises New Breakthrough

Picked option 2:

2. "Well, if you have to be part of a lunatic fringe group to object to this barbaric practice, I'm a lunatic," says placard-waving protestor @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of course it would be nice to cure these unnamed diseases, but at what cost? They're messing with the sanctity of human life. It's wrong, and the lab should be shut down immediately."

I still have vat-grown people despite two anti-genetics decisions in a week.

Is it that these issues should have tacked-on No Sex policy removals, or should they just not pop up at all?

I'm quite perturbed that I'm 0-2 for removing vats

[Techolandia]

Using this nation a few minutes ago, I chose option 1, which protects the free press, of issue #277 (Say Cheese!).
My civil rights decreased.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

It happened again...

Issue #25: Cloning Research Promises New Breakthrough

Picked option 2:

2. "Well, if you have to be part of a lunatic fringe group to object to this barbaric practice, I'm a lunatic," says placard-waving protestor @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of course it would be nice to cure these unnamed diseases, but at what cost? They're messing with the sanctity of human life. It's wrong, and the lab should be shut down immediately."

I still have vat-grown people despite two anti-genetics decisions in a week.

Is it that these issues should have tacked-on No Sex policy removals, or should they just not pop up at all?

I'm quite perturbed that I'm 0-2 for removing vats

Not sure for this one. To me vats and cloning seem like separate concepts. Related, but separate, and entirely possible to have either, both or neither.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Using this nation a few minutes ago, I chose option 1, which protects the free press, of issue #277 (Say Cheese!).
My civil rights decreased.

As the FAQ says, a common thing here is that people don't realise that privacy is considered a civil right.

I have, however, tweaked the stats slightly to up the free speech angle.

[Arimusia]

It happened again...

Issue #25: Cloning Research Promises New Breakthrough

Picked option 2:

2. "Well, if you have to be part of a lunatic fringe group to object to this barbaric practice, I'm a lunatic," says placard-waving protestor @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Of course it would be nice to cure these unnamed diseases, but at what cost? They're messing with the sanctity of human life. It's wrong, and the lab should be shut down immediately."

I still have vat-grown people despite two anti-genetics decisions in a week.

Is it that these issues should have tacked-on No Sex policy removals, or should they just not pop up at all?

I'm quite perturbed that I'm 0-2 for removing vats

Not sure for this one. To me vats and cloning seem like separate concepts. Related, but separate, and entirely possible to have either, both or neither.

It's just that the last issue also centered around 'cloning' as well, but this one is a more focused one on stem cell research instead of growing body parts or meat. For this one specifically, I certainly can't fathom vat-grown people without manipulation of human embryos.

I think my issue is just it is just such a tease to have vats and side with people who are against the idea, only for nothing to really happen. I'd just feel it'd be appropriate for siding with anti-cloners to get rid of vats as well, or not get this issue at all as you suggested with the last issue. But again, I may be wrong, as there's a lot of genetics research and the concept of growth vats I'm unaware of.

[Merconitonitopia]

No increase in weaponization from 20.4

[Trotterdam]

No increase in weaponization from 20.4

If gun rights were already maximally free, you wouldn't be able to gain any more.

[New Scarra]

New Scarra recently was faced with issue #137, Arms Industry Demands Respect

I chose opt #1

Interviewed by the industry's trade journal 'Our Weapons, Your Victory', the CEO of @@NAME@@ Arms Inc, @@RANDOMNAME@@, said: "It is shameful the way we have been treated over the last few years! Shameful! Our workers, and I tell you we have a great many of them, can barely get to work thanks to disruption by protesters and all that hippie nonsense. And as for this dangerous talk of 'Ethical Trade Practices', I say we need full government recognition of our vital contribution to the economy - relaxation of trade barriers, gun laws, and a crackdown on all these long-haired weirdos who try to shut us down!"

Let me reiterate, this was a call for the relaxation of gun laws among other things

result: 20% DECREASE in weaponization which really makes no sense whatsoever. A relaxation of gun laws results in massive reduction in gun ownership?

Also pacifism went up with is slightly odd with a boost to arm manufacturers

[The Marsupial Illuminati]

New Scarra recently was faced with issue #137, Arms Industry Demands Respect

I chose opt #1

Interviewed by the industry's trade journal 'Our Weapons, Your Victory', the CEO of @@NAME@@ Arms Inc, @@RANDOMNAME@@, said: "It is shameful the way we have been treated over the last few years! Shameful! Our workers, and I tell you we have a great many of them, can barely get to work thanks to disruption by protesters and all that hippie nonsense. And as for this dangerous talk of 'Ethical Trade Practices', I say we need full government recognition of our vital contribution to the economy - relaxation of trade barriers, gun laws, and a crackdown on all these long-haired weirdos who try to shut us down!"

Let me reiterate, this was a call for the relaxation of gun laws among other things

result: 20% DECREASE in weaponization which really makes no sense whatsoever. A relaxation of gun laws results in massive reduction in gun ownership?

Also pacifism went up with is slightly odd with a boost to arm manufacturers

I quote myself:

Issue 137 option 1 caused a significant decrease in Weaponisation.

Interesting.

It seems that your nation has compulsory gun ownership. So in choosing 137.1, you somewhat relaxed your nation's strict gun laws, decreasing the weaponization stat.

[Zonterldia Holf]

I just encountered issue 613 "A Nude Day, A Nude Awakening...", and chose option 1.
This resulted in my nations policy of State Surveillance being cancelled. Now while option 2 is the one most heavily associated with surveillance and control, the first option still has an aspect of it, considering it suggested fining people who distribute altered images, and said policy says that "the state heavily monitors citizen behaviour", of which image altering would be an aspect.

Authoritarianism, Social Conservatism, and Ideological Radicality all went up, while Civil Rights went down. The State Surveillance policy change seemed to contradict the affects shown by the stats, and what the option was suggesting.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I just encountered issue 613 "A Nude Day, A Nude Awakening...", and chose option 1.
This resulted in my nations policy of State Surveillance being cancelled. Now while option 2 is the one most heavily associated with surveillance and control, the first option still has an aspect of it, considering it suggested fining people who distribute altered images, and said policy says that "the state heavily monitors citizen behaviour", of which image altering would be an aspect.

Authoritarianism, Social Conservatism, and Ideological Radicality all went up, while Civil Rights went down. The State Surveillance policy change seemed to contradict the affects shown by the stats, and what the option was suggesting.

This is covered in the first post FAQ, thanks.

[Townsvalley]

i am getting unusual issue effects.my automobile industry was very high, Information Technology was very high, nation was mostly privatised, Timber wood shipping industry was very very high like very high. I got issues and I dropped all of these Industries to zero and some to negative. but my economy is the same 97 or 98. I installed socialism reduced civil rights but still economy is still very high. please fix this.

[USS Monitor]

i am getting unusual issue effects.my automobile industry was very high, Information Technology was very high, nation was mostly privatised, Timber wood shipping industry was very very high like very high. I got issues and I dropped all of these Industries to zero and some to negative. but my economy is the same 97 or 98. I installed socialism reduced civil rights but still economy is still very high. please fix this.

Without knowing specifically what issues you answered and which options you chose, there is no way to tell if there was an error.

[Townsvalley]

i am getting unusual issue effects.my automobile industry was very high, Information Technology was very high, nation was mostly privatised, Timber wood shipping industry was very very high like very high. I got issues and I dropped all of these Industries to zero and some to negative. but my economy is the same 97 or 98. I installed socialism reduced civil rights but still economy is still very high. please fix this.

Without knowing specifically what issues you answered and which options you chose, there is no way to tell if there was an error.

there alot of issues like that , like issue 625 option 11, and many more.like 100 issues by now,so i dont remember all of them...

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Have a read of the first post of this thread, both to see if that helps your understanding of the game better, and to help you make more useful reports.

[Lamaredia]

Issue #655, on this nation, just a few seconds ago.

I chose the option to make the museums safer, how did this lower my civil rights by a whopping 0.24%?

[The Free Joy State]

Issue #655, on this nation, just a few seconds ago.

I chose the option to make the museums safer, how did this lower my civil rights by a whopping 0.24%?

0.24% is not a big change in raw numbers. I suggest to turn on "Show More Stats" in your settings, if you have not already done so. Your civil rights change was 80.62 to 80.43.

Please see the FAQs of the OP of this thread for more details about civil rights, especially the question: "Why did my civil rights / political freedom / economy move the wrong way?"