[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[The Free Joy State]

Actually, talk about virgins would be meaningless as well, with or without marriage, that just implies someone who's never had sex, whereas a "bachelor" implies someone who's never been married.

My point is, in a nation without marriage, everyone would be a bachelor(ette), so the term would be meaningless. There would still be both virgins and non-virgins, so that term would still be meaningful, and vaguely comparable (but not identical) to the role bachelors have in other nations.

I'm not actually saying to change the text to using that, though, just explaining why such a nation wouldn't talk about bachelors.

The validity of the issue was already changed yesterday, as I said in the post you quoted. I see no need for further discussion.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Actually, talk about virgins would be meaningless as well, with or without marriage, that just implies someone who's never had sex, whereas a "bachelor" implies someone who's never been married.

My point is, in a nation without marriage, everyone would be a bachelor(ette), so the term would be meaningless. There would still be both virgins and non-virgins, so that term would still be meaningful, and vaguely comparable (but not identical) to the role bachelors have in other nations.

I'm not actually saying to change the text to using that, though, just explaining why such a nation wouldn't talk about bachelors.

FJS has already fixed this, no further action is needed.

[Valentine Z]

I hope this is the place to ask this question, so here I go!

Issue 628, Only Gwen Tracer Foxworthy Avril Trix Hepburn Can Prevent Forest Fires, Option 3:

“No!” cries former martial arts prodigy and current forest ranger Rosalina Yeltsin, while bribing you with a picnic basket that was allegedly taken from a bear. “We just need a bit more money. Not just for fire suppression, but for preventative measures, like creating defensible spaces around homes, thinning out logs and small trees, prescribed fire, and arresting potential arsonists. Fires will be smaller and more manageable and everyone will be happy.”

I'm just wondering, shouldn't this option decrease environmental beauty because of highlighted bits? You're modifying the forest and its natural state, so... yeah, there's that.

I'm not complaining so much about the increased environmental beauty; I just want to know why.

[The Free Joy State]

I hope this is the place to ask this question, so here I go!

Issue 628, Only Gwen Tracer Foxworthy Avril Trix Hepburn Can Prevent Forest Fires, Option 3:

“No!” cries former martial arts prodigy and current forest ranger Rosalina Yeltsin, while bribing you with a picnic basket that was allegedly taken from a bear. “We just need a bit more money. Not just for fire suppression, but for preventative measures, like creating defensible spaces around homes, thinning out logs and small trees, prescribed fire, and arresting potential arsonists. Fires will be smaller and more manageable and everyone will be happy.”

I'm just wondering, shouldn't this option decrease environmental beauty because of highlighted bits? You're modifying the forest and its natural state, so... yeah, there's that.

I'm not complaining so much about the increased environmental beauty; I just want to know why.

This option promotes controlled burns, which are believed to be helpful to the natural ecology and also reduce available fuels for wild fires. It also funds other measures to prevent wild fires. These measures combined will help to improve the environment of most nations (individual stats notwithstanding).

[Valentine Z]

This option promotes controlled burns, which are believed to be helpful to the natural ecology and also reduce available fuels for wild fires. It also funds other measures to prevent wild fires. These measures combined will help to improve the environment of most nations (individual stats notwithstanding).

Ahh, makes sense to me.

Thanks!

[Herotria]

So, in my nationstate, Herotria, there was an issue on how the marxador projection made my nation look small. I made the choice for there to be globes, and that made posters of my nation's values that go against the nation. Could someone explain why such a confusing thing would happen?

[The Free Joy State]

So, in my nationstate, Herotria, there was an issue on how the marxador projection made my nation look small. I made the choice for there to be globes, and that made posters of my nation's values that go against the nation. Could someone explain why such a confusing thing would happen?

I think you're talking about the effect line, the outcome of the issue, which -- for you -- would have read:

posters on 'Herotrian Values' advise against being proud of Herotria

Effect lines are throwaway jokes that aren't to be taken seriously. The effect line isn't related to the statistics you receive and is just designed to (hopefully) make you smile. That option selected is to accept that your nation is a part of the wider world -- rather than the centre of the world -- and raised a lot of statistics that many players pursue, including raised inclusiveness, raised scientific advancement, and raised intelligence.

EDIT: I managed to find it this time, but -- in future -- please could you report issues with either the name or number of the issue and the approximate date where you received it? It just makes it easier to find.

[Lamaredia]

Issue #613, encountered today on this nation. I picked the option that states "Either everything is okay or nothing is", and that somehow raised my Social Conservatism. How does that make sense?

[The Marsupial Illuminati]

Issue #613, encountered today on this nation. I picked the option that states "Either everything is okay or nothing is", and that somehow raised my Social Conservatism. How does that make sense?

The civil rights stat in your nation was already high, so when you upheld the freedom of expression, that affected nothing since doing so is normal in your nation. You did, however, chip away at the privacy of individuals, so your nation experienced an overall decrease in the civil rights stat. And since the social conservatism stat is the basically the opposite of the civil rights stat, social conservatism went up.

[Chads United]

Issue #201 Option #1, which suggests that my nation will be spending more money on buying weapons and ships to combat piracy, had the effect of lowering the Industry: Arms Manufacturing stat. What is the reason for this?

[The Free Joy State]

Issue #201 Option #1, which suggests that my nation will be spending more money on buying weapons and ships to combat piracy, had the effect of lowering the Industry: Arms Manufacturing stat. What is the reason for this?

Yes, it does appear to suggest that there'd be funding for tht Arms' industry. I've amended that for the future.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Issue #201 (Much Ado About Abortion) - Option #1 (abortion legal on demand) somehow increases Recreational Drug Use. AFAIK you can't get high on misoprostol.

[The Free Joy State]

Issue #201 (Much Ado About Abortion) - Option #1 (abortion legal on demand) somehow increases Recreational Drug Use. AFAIK you can't get high on misoprostol.

Basically, the game's code assumes more bodily autonomy equals more drug use. The recreational drug use stat is a known flaw in the simulation. If you improve civil rights, the game associates it with a rise in recreational drug use. Rein in civil rights, and the opposite happens.

[Samudera]

Issue 1036, option 2, why does it increase Industry: Arms Manufacturing?

[The Free Joy State]

Issue 1036, option 2, why does it increase Industry: Arms Manufacturing?

This option increases arms manufacturing because it specifically mentions that wearing traditional clothing helped to secure an arms deal.

[The Greater Low Countries]

Issue: Think Tank Proposes Privatised Prisons (#159)
Nation: This boi here, as in myself.
Date: Today, as in the fourth of August, 2018

Selecting option 1 lowered my civil rights. Why does privatizing the prison sector result in lower civil rights?
This might not even belong here, this is borderline NSG discussion.

[Fauxia]

Issue: Think Tank Proposes Privatised Prisons (#159)
Nation: This boi here, as in myself.
Date: Today, as in the fourth of August, 2018

Selecting option 1 lowered my civil rights. Why does privatizing the prison sector result in lower civil rights?
This might not even belong here, this is borderline NSG discussion.

Option implies some forced labor, I think.

[Ancapistaniana]

8/2/2018, 9:54:58 PM MST: Following new legislation in Ancapistaniana, one-stop superstores divide and conquer family businesses.

Why did doing this cause economic freedom and income inequality to go down? I don't really understand this, how does the government not interfering in the economy cause economic freedom to go down?

[Bears Armed]

one-stop superstores divide and conquer family businesses.

Why did doing this cause economic freedom and income inequality to go down? I don't really understand this, how does the government not interfering in the economy cause economic freedom to go down?

"one-stop superstores divide and conquer family businesses" => less choice of shops available to customers

[The Free Joy State]

Issue: Think Tank Proposes Privatised Prisons (#159)
Nation: This boi here, as in myself.
Date: Today, as in the fourth of August, 2018

Selecting option 1 lowered my civil rights. Why does privatizing the prison sector result in lower civil rights?
This might not even belong here, this is borderline NSG discussion.

Option implies some forced labor, I think.

Basically, yes. The speaker owns "several large businesses". The option also implies a lack of concern for inmate welfare, but that @@LEADER@@ will be able to "imprison as many people as [they] like". Selecting an option to imprison many people without regard for their welfare will often lower civil rights.

However, in raw numbers, your fall wasn't that large (from 64.46 to 62.87). You'll be able to recover that through other issues.

8/2/2018, 9:54:58 PM MST: Following new legislation in Ancapistaniana, one-stop superstores divide and conquer family businesses.

Why did doing this cause economic freedom and income inequality to go down? I don't really understand this, how does the government not interfering in the economy cause economic freedom to go down?

In future, when reporting, please give the name and/or number of the issue. The effect line does not make tracking issues down as quick as you'd think. Although, the date and time did help.

As Bears Armed said, although you made it easier for big businesses -- which is reflected in the stats, and saw you gain some statistical points in your general economy -- this was, in your case, slightly balanced due to impingeing on individual customers' freedom in where to shop by allowing giant conglomorates to take over, which reduced economic freedom from 98.62 to 98.38 in raw numbers.

Because your economic freedom was so high before -- as you see, you are in the top 2% in the world -- these changes are likely to have impacted it more. A nation with lower or middling economic freedoms may not have seen a change from picking this option.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

For the record, this exact situation is covered in the first post FAQ, under: "Why did my civil rights / political freedom / economy move the wrong way?"

Specifically:

There's a few things that frequently catch people out so I'll mention them here specifically:

1) The right to privacy is a civil right. Self-explanatory really, but people often associate options that invade privacy with the rights of the invader to do as he pleases, not the rights of the invaded to preserve their privacy.
2) The right to influence politics with bribes / lobbying / money is a political freedom. Political freedom isn't just a "positive".
3) The right of small businesses to have an environment they can survive in (e.g. anti-monopoly legislation), and the right of the worker to unionise / strike etc. are economic freedoms. In other words, the game also considers the economic freedoms of the little guy.

That the last thing there is considered at all by the sim often catches folk out, especially those who are mentally envisioning economic freedom purely as freedom from government intervention.

[Lamaredia]

Issue #277, encountered today on this nation.

I chose the option where my leader will get pictures taken of her all the time, and I can understand why civil rights went down. I can, however, not understand why authoritarianism went up. Why would a state not restricting freedom of the press raise the states authoritarianism?

[The Free Joy State]

Issue #277, encountered today on this nation.

I chose the option where my leader will get pictures taken of her all the time, and I can understand why civil rights went down. I can, however, not understand why authoritarianism went up. Why would a state not restricting freedom of the press raise the states authoritarianism?

That's it, basically. Authoritarianism rose because you're impinging @@LEADER@@'s right to privacy.

Authoritarianism is a secondary stat. Your civil rights go down, authoritarianism goes up. It's a knock-on effect that we don't programme.

[Lamaredia]

Issue #277, encountered today on this nation.

I chose the option where my leader will get pictures taken of her all the time, and I can understand why civil rights went down. I can, however, not understand why authoritarianism went up. Why would a state not restricting freedom of the press raise the states authoritarianism?

That's it, basically. Authoritarianism rose because you're impinging @@LEADER@@'s right to privacy.

Authoritarianism is a secondary stat. Your civil rights go down, authoritarianism goes up. It's a knock-on effect that we don't programme.

That... seems like a bit of a leap to take. The state isn't impinging @@LEADER@@'s right to privacy, it's just NOT impinging the journalists right to free press.

EDIT: To expand on that, doesn't authoritarianism kinda need government action rather than inaction? However, I can understand if it's a programming issue or similar, since it's a secondary stat.

[The Free Joy State]

That's it, basically. Authoritarianism rose because you're impinging @@LEADER@@'s right to privacy.

Authoritarianism is a secondary stat. Your civil rights go down, authoritarianism goes up. It's a knock-on effect that we don't programme.

That... seems like a bit of a leap to take. The state isn't impinging @@LEADER@@'s right to privacy, it's just NOT impinging the journalists right to free press.

EDIT: To expand on that, doesn't authoritarianism kinda need government action rather than inaction? However, I can understand if it's a programming issue or similar, since it's a secondary stat.

As I said, authoritarianism is a secondary stat. I only conformed the reason your civil rights dropped, which you said you saw the reason for (@@LEADER@@ being able to be photographed wherever and whenever, doing whatever with whomever, is a loss of privacy).

Civil rights go down and authoritarianism rises. It's just the way things work.