[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects

[Arceus Domains]

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What a definition for Civil Rights!

I got it. That doesn't change the fact that I still (and will continue to) hate everything about violetism, ugh. There's no going back, I have to get those stats up again, haha. Thank you for your time and for such a clear answer, CWA!

[Candlewhisper Archive]

What a definition for Civil Rights!

I know, right? It doesn't make any attempt to represent the right of folk to be protected by the law in any way, or the right of individuals to have society feel responsibility towards their wellbeing.

However, I think this was totally the right call in game terms, as without an arbitrary yardstick it would have been entirely down to editor's opinions whether something is pro or anti civil rights. Like personally, I'd consider it a pro civil rights move to ban guns, as that represents the government protecting people from being shot, and it's more important to me to be alive than armed.

Instead, a nice clear approach of making it about liberty from the state makes it considerably easier to make judgement calls on stat assignations.

I got it. That doesn't change the fact that I still (and will continue to) hate everything about violetism, ugh.

Ha! One of the things I've tried to do is make Violetism more nuanced. They're STILL the religion that want to sacrifice people, but the moderate Violetists will tell you that is a metaphor for asking people to give up their lives in devotion to the Goddess rather than actually killing people, or will say that it is in theory righteous to kill the unfaithful but of course they respect the laws of the land, and so on, etc. A bit like any real life religion, with some Christians saying being gay means you should die, and some Christians saying of course gay people can get married and should be recognised, and everything existing inbetween.

One thing I'm very happy with in The Enemy Within is how that it forces you to ask yourself if Violetists are as bad as you heard, and given that the last thing you heard they were sacrificing people...

There's no going back, I have to get those stats up again, haha. Thank you for your time and for such a clear answer, CWA!

No problem, thanks for taking the time to listen to the answers.

[All are Equal]

Coming out is Socially Conservative?

[Luna Amore]

Coming out is Socially Conservative?

Please follow the OP's posting standard.

Nation.
Day/Time.
Issue.
Choice.

[Why Did I Make This Nation]

Okay, okay, here's a proper explanation.

52.3 reads as follows:

“That is censorship!” says noted art history teacher Harambe Harrison. “You can’t ban art! It’s freedom of expression; it’s part of our culture. If anything, the government should be supporting these artists and their work, not listening to these prudish whackjobs who are scared of a little bare skin!”

Thus selecting this option supports an decreased level of shame over nudity, and decreased censorial attitudes. So nudity increases.

It was so obvious, I thought I'd give a joking answer, but it seems that was too surreal. Sorry.

But Nudity Decreased

[Bright Lightbulbs-]

“I agree with my colleague here, but he doesn’t go far enough,” says Archibald Caesar, a city planner. “These protestors are standing in the path of progress. It slows the growth of our economy and harms my portfolio - er - the future of our nation, I mean. It’s unpatriotic and we should increase police funding to deal with these troublemakers. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about greenbelts or any other nonsense about keeping the ‘environment’ safe.”


My law enforcement decreased.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

But Nudity Decreased

Whaaaa...?

That makes no sense at all...

*poke poke*.

Aha. That's an odd thing indeed. Can see what has happened there.

Yep, it's a technical thing, but I can make an issueside fix.

Okay, shouldn't happen again.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

“I agree with my colleague here, but he doesn’t go far enough,” says Archibald Caesar, a city planner. “These protestors are standing in the path of progress. It slows the growth of our economy and harms my portfolio - er - the future of our nation, I mean. It’s unpatriotic and we should increase police funding to deal with these troublemakers. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about greenbelts or any other nonsense about keeping the ‘environment’ safe.”


My law enforcement decreased.

It's complicated to explain, but basically your law enforcement stat isn't solely dependent on police funding.

Your police funding in fact did increase, but various knock on effects led to less law enforcement.

[Cosparia]

Permitting concealed-carry decreased my "Weaponization" stat.

- The name of the nation that had this effect: The Federal Republic of Cosparia
- The day that this effect was encountered: Today
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue: #084: Compulsory Gun Ownership?

After about a week of letting the issue fester, I decided to hit the second option, which appeared to legalize concealed carry. Upon reading the stats, I noticed that Safety increased (okay), Pacifism increased (fair enough), Crime decreased (fine), Charmlessness hilariously fell by 76%, but along with those, Weaponization unexpectedly fell.

Yes, allowing concealed carry of handguns apparently decreased the average amount of weapons my citizens own. I actually did a triple-take at this, I was so baffled. I'm under the impression that the opposite was true.

[Sanctaria]

Permitting concealed-carry decreased my "Weaponization" stat.

- The name of the nation that had this effect: The Federal Republic of Cosparia
- The day that this effect was encountered: Today
- The name of the issue, and if you know it, the number of the issue: #084: Compulsory Gun Ownership?

After about a week of letting the issue fester, I decided to hit the second option, which appeared to legalize concealed carry. Upon reading the stats, I noticed that Safety increased (okay), Pacifism increased (fair enough), Crime decreased (fine), Charmlessness hilariously fell by 76%, but along with those, Weaponization unexpectedly fell.

Yes, allowing concealed carry of handguns apparently decreased the average amount of weapons my citizens own. I actually did a triple-take at this, I was so baffled. I'm under the impression that the opposite was true.

What happened there was that there was the way your national stats are set up.

Essentially, in terms of the stats we use to track gun rights in your nation, there was a small change because you have such high gun rights in your nation already. But the other changes in the other categories related to Weaponisation, in terms of decreasing it, outweighed the positive changes to Weaponisation, because it was such a small change.

In this instance Weaponisation actually decreased.

This happens when you work hard on one stat and others tend to fall by the wayside. Because a lot of things are interconnected, and the simulation adds knock on effects to knock on effects, sometimes the opposite effect can happen when the stat you want to change, can't actually change much more.

[Arceus Domains]

I think this was totally the right call in game terms, as without an arbitrary yardstick it would have been entirely down to editor's opinions whether something is pro or anti civil rights.

Oh yeah, very good approach, no doubt. In my opinion, the speed (and practicality) of editing and publishing would certainly fall if an extremely holistic view of every situation was implemented. For the purposes of simulation, things are going well. I'll keep expecting such unpredictable results

One thing I'm very happy with in The Enemy Within is how that it forces you to ask yourself if Violetists are as bad as you heard, and given that the last thing you heard they were sacrificing people...

Oh! Too bad I haven't seen that chain yet. I haven't really read its Issues, but I suppose its validity has something to do with the permissiveness given to violetist folks. Am I right?

No problem, thanks for taking the time to listen to the answers.

That's what I like to do, listen and learn. Especially when the experts take the time to answer, which I appreciate. The good news: RoA's Civil Rights are going up again (Excessive right now), the experiment keeps going on, and I will no longer want to dismiss the Issues with the word "Violet", but read -and decrypt- them. Thanks again!

[Luna Amore]

Okay, okay, here's a proper explanation.

52.3 reads as follows:



Thus selecting this option supports an decreased level of shame over nudity, and decreased censorial attitudes. So nudity increases.

It was so obvious, I thought I'd give a joking answer, but it seems that was too surreal. Sorry.

But Nudity Decreased

Reversed that for your nation. It may take time to show.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Nation: Reorganisieren Reichregierung
Issue # 061, Should the Government Grant Titles and Estates of Nobility
Stats Decreased: Wealth Gaps, Average Income of Rich, Economic Freedom, Ideological Radicality
Stats Increased: Income Equality (but probably has something to do with the decrease in wealth gaps)

How does giving rich people titles and land (which is expensive and serves as a source of income) narrow the wealth gap and cut their income?

EDIT: Average Income of Poor increased.

[Fauxia]

Nation: Reorganisieren Reichregierung
Issue # 061, Should the Government Grant Titles and Estates of Nobility
Stats Decreased: Wealth Gaps, Average Income of Rich, Economic Freedom, Ideological Radicality
Stats Increased: Income Equality (but probably has something to do with the decrease in wealth gaps)

How does giving rich people titles and land (which is expensive and serves as a source of income) narrow the wealth gap and cut their income?

Because it makes economic freedom go down, as that is not a capitalist thing to do.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

Nation: Reorganisieren Reichregierung
Issue # 061, Should the Government Grant Titles and Estates of Nobility
Stats Decreased: Wealth Gaps, Average Income of Rich, Economic Freedom, Ideological Radicality
Stats Increased: Income Equality (but probably has something to do with the decrease in wealth gaps)

How does giving rich people titles and land (which is expensive and serves as a source of income) narrow the wealth gap and cut their income?

Because it makes economic freedom go down, as that is not a capitalist thing to do.

Okay that I understand, but how does giving rich people more stuff and formalizing their position in society as an aristocracy hit at their incomes and narrow the wealth gap? Nobility tend to be wealthy, even when their titles are mostly honorifics, what more when their titles mean something?

Simply put;
Option 1: Rich folk get titles+land
•Land = something of value + income
•Title of nobility = prestige, authority
•Rich people get more stuff, prestige and authority
•Monarchy doesn't always affect the economy depending on the ruling style of the monarch
•The rich can now use their prestige and newfound authority to make themselves richer

[Candlewhisper Archive]

What Fauxia said. It's just how the game works, it's an imperfect sim.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

What Fauxia said. It's just how the game works, it's an imperfect sim.

But it can be fixed right?

[Trotterdam]

Many things can be done. Not all of them will be anytime soon.

[Teh War Machine]

Option 3 of 194 doesn't affect defense forces and increases political freedom?

[[violet]]

What Fauxia said. It's just how the game works, it's an imperfect sim.

But it can be fixed right?

It can; I'll raise it with Editors.

[Reorganisieren Reichregierung]

But it can be fixed right?

It can; I'll raise it with Editors.

Thanks a lot!

P.S: Will my stats be fixed as well?

[Fauxia]

It can; I'll raise it with Editors.

Thanks a lot!

P.S: Will my stats be fixed as well?

I don’t think so...

[Appalachia]

So on Issue #845, "A Comedy Of Errors," I chose Option 2, which states "Comedy is a form of art, not a nuisance to the credibility of politicians and leaders. The government should not have a say on how we tell our jokes."

Yet for some reason this reduced my Political Freedom? I feel as though this is a mistake, unless there's some reasoning I'm not understanding.

[Ransium]

So on Issue #845, "A Comedy Of Errors," I chose Option 2, which states "Comedy is a form of art, not a nuisance to the credibility of politicians and leaders. The government should not have a say on how we tell our jokes."

Yet for some reason this reduced my Political Freedom? I feel as though this is a mistake, unless there's some reasoning I'm not understanding.

Yeah... I don't understand why this happened either; I'll raise it backstage.

[Mirchusko]

Nation: Mirchusko
Issue: "Criminals to Vote?" number 320
Date: 28 October 2017
Choice: Option 2 (allow prisoners to vote)

Confusing outcomes: minor decrease in Civil Rights (82.3 to 81.3) and Political Freedom (82.5 to 81.3). Authoritarianism went from .03 to .04, which is a little weird but probably due to the decrease in the others? I'm just a bit annoyed because I'm trying hard to max out freedoms without trashing my economy and this issue seemed like an easy pick.