SUBMITTED: The Old Man and the Park

[Australian rePublic]

[title] The Old Man and the Park

[desc] A group of angry mothers chased a middle aged man out of a park for sitting at a playground taking photos of three little girls. The women were calling him a "creep" and a "pervert" before discovering that the man was in fact the three girls' father. The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action

[validity]
Adults only

[option] "Men are normally disgusting pigs!" complains @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the mothers in question. "So how was I supposed to know to know that this guy was one of the few exceptions? I was only trying to protect some little girls who I thought were in danger! I mean the girls didn't even look like their dad"
[effect] fathers usually carry a birth or adoption certificate when travelling with their daughters

[option] "For far too long, us men have been coping abuse from extreme feminists" complains @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, whilst handing you an Men's Right Activists flyer. "This is just another example of the toxic culture created by soccer mums! I mean, the poor man was innocently taking his daughters to the park, and the poor girls had to see their father get verbally abused. I suggest you do something, @@LEADER@@!"
[effect] playground stalkers often pretend to be the fathers of their victims

[title] The Old Man and the Park

[desc] A group of angry mothers chased a middle aged man out of a park for sitting at a playground taking photos of little girls. The women were calling him a "creep" and a "pervert" before discovering that the man was infact the girls' father. The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action.

[validity]
Adults only

[option] "Men are normally disgusting pigs!" complains @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the mothers in question "So how was I supposed to know to know that this guy was one of the few exceptions? I was only trying to protect some little girls who I thought were in danger! I mean the girls didn't even look their dad"
[effect] fathers usually carry a birth or adoption certificate when travelling with their daughters

[option] "For far too long, us men have been coping abuse from extreme feminists" complains @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, whilst handing you an MRA flyer "This is just another example of the toxic culture created by SJWs! I mean, the poor man was innocently taking his daughters to the park, and the poor girls had to see their father get verbally abused. I suggest you do something, @@LEADER@@"
[effect]

[Jutsa]

Well, this looks like a short-and-sweet issue, Aussie!
I wrote out my review of it below.

The Issue:

infact

in fact*

The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action

You could keep it, though I doubt it's necessary.

Option 1:

"Men are normally disgusting pigs!"

one of the mothers in question

Period after question

I mean the girls didn't even look their dad"

look at their dad, or look like their dad?
Also, a period after dad
You may want to consider taking from the effect line and having her ask that fathers and legal guardians bring something along with them to protect themselves,
though if you did that, you'd have to come up with a less straight-forward effect line. If you decide to keep it as-is, then the effect line's just right.

Option 2:

extreme feminists"

Comma after feminists.

whilst handing you an MRA flyer

Not sure what MRA is, but a period after flyer.

"This is just another example of the toxic culture created by SJWs!

I suggest you do something, @@LEADER@@"

1) Period after @@LEADER@@
2) "do something"? Surely the guy could ask to make people not jump to conclusions and jump at men, or something?

[effect]

criminals get away with anything by saying "I'm their father"

Honestly, this issue's a little bit soft, imo. There's not even a mention about women taking pictures of children, and it's kind of hard to make an issue
which involves the minds of a whole slew of individuals. Still, I wish you well, Aussie. Plus, maybe you could add an option mentioning female photographers that just bans cameras?

[Frieden-und Freudenland]

[title] The Old Man and the Park

[desc] A group of angry mothers chased a middle aged man out of a park for sitting at a playground taking photos of little girls. The women were calling him a "creep" and a "pervert" before discovering that the man was infact the girls' father. The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action

[validity]
Adults only

[option] "Men are normally disgusting pigs!" complains @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the mothers in question "So how was I supposed to know to know that this guy was one of the few exceptions? I was only trying to protect some little girls who I thought were in danger! I mean the girls didn't even look their dad"
[effect] fathers usually carry a birth or adoption certificate when travelling with their daughters

[option] "For far too long, us men have been coping abuse from extreme feminists" complains @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, whilst handing you an MRA flyer "This is just another example of the toxic culture created by SJWs! I mean, the poor man was innocently taking his daughters to the park, and the poor girls had to see their father get verbally abused. I suggest you do something, @@LEADER@@"
[effect]

Nice issue, but I don't think you need to mention cameras. Taking the photos of other people (be they kids or adults) would be problematic because of privacy concerns, but here the main problem is that the guy has been mistaken for a pedophile. And I think this is a better premise to pursue. For example, in the Western countries, it might be seen as very awkward if an elderly guy sits on a bench on the edge of a children's playground. People tend to suspect that he might be a predator. But some other (typically Eastern) cultures do not always see it that way. (I had seen a video on Youtube uploaded by an American living in Japan, I guess, and she was saying that Japanese people did not make a fuss when they saw an adult men in the vicinity of children). Turkey would be somewhere midway between Japan and America, I suppose - the reactions you would get from people would depend on your behavior. If you do not misbehave or stare at the children, I think you would be fine.

Anyway, so I think it would be nice if you only mention that there was an old guy sitting on a bench at a children's playground and observing the kids, and then there are some people who mistake this guy for a pedophile and attack him; but then it turns out that he was the grandfather of one of the kids at the playground...

[Fauxia]

[title] The Old Man and the Park

[desc] A group of angry mothers chased a middle aged man out of a park for sitting at a playground taking photos of little girls. The women were calling him a "creep" and a "pervert" before discovering that the man was infact the girls' father. The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action

[validity]
Adults only

Does that mean not for class nations?

[option] "Men are normally disgusting pigs!" complains @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, one of the mothers in question "So how was I supposed to know to know that this guy was one of the few exceptions? I was only trying to protect some little girls who I thought were in danger! I mean the girls didn't even look their dad"
[effect] fathers usually carry a birth or adoption certificate when travelling with their daughters

Can you exaggerate the fallout more? You could go far with this I think. The option is fine though.

[option] "For far too long, us men have been coping abuse from extreme feminists" complains @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, whilst handing you an MRA flyer "This is just another example of the toxic culture created by SJWs!

Write that out, I would suggest.

I mean, the poor man was innocently taking his daughters to the park, and the poor girls had to see their father get verbally abused. I suggest you do something, @@LEADER@@"

"I suggest you do something, leader First of all, there should be an exclamation point. Second of all, you need to elaborate here. I'm not exactly sure what to put, I'm not thinking right now, but surely you can do better than that?

[effect]

Why is there no effect ? You could put something like "Rapists and male pedophiles are assumed to be the father of their victims." But that might not be funny enough.

[Trotterdam]

Nice issue, but I don't think you need to mention cameras.

It was added at Luna Amore's suggestion.

I don't care much one way or another.

Taking the photos of other people (be they kids or adults) would be problematic because of privacy concerns,

Taking photos of your own children is usually considered okay. You could argue there's a gray area if those photos also have other children in the background, though generally nobody minds much when parents take a few snaps of their children playing with their friends.

but here the main problem is that the guy has been mistaken for a pedophile.

Is taking photos of children not something a pedophile would do?

Can you exaggerate the fallout more? You could go far with this I think.

Eh, I think it's good. Needing to keep documentation on you at all times to prove that you aren't a pedophile already seems pretty extreme, and it gets the point across while a more exaggerated effect also risks having less connection to the topic.

You could put something like "Rapists and male pedophiles are assumed to be the father of their victims." But that might not be funny enough.

Much child abuse is done by the children's own parents. But (A) that doesn't make it okay, and (B) the majority of parents don't.

[Australian rePublic]

Bump for second draft

Well, this looks like a short-and-sweet issue, Aussie!
I wrote out my review of it below.

The Issue:

infact

in fact*

The issue has been brought to the spotlight, and angry parties from both sides are lobbying in front of your office, demanding you take action

You could keep it, though I doubt it's necessary.

Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll keep, the description is quite short with it

Option 1:

"Men are normally disgusting pigs!"

one of the mothers in question

Period after question

I mean the girls didn't even look their dad"

look at their dad, or look like their dad?
Also, a period after dad

Thanks!

You may want to consider taking from the effect line and having her ask that fathers and legal guardians bring something along with them to protect themselves,
though if you did that, you'd have to come up with a less straight-forward effect line. If you decide to keep it as-is, then the effect line's just right.

[Australian rePublic]

Nice issue, but I don't think you need to mention cameras.

It was added at Luna Amore's suggestion.

I don't care much one way or another.

Correct

Taking the photos of other people (be they kids or adults) would be problematic because of privacy concerns,

Taking photos of your own children is usually considered okay. You could argue there's a gray area if those photos also have other children in the background, though generally nobody minds much when parents take a few snaps of their children playing with their friends.
[/quote]

Is taking photos of children not something a pedophile would do?

Eh, I think it's good. Needing to keep documentation on you at all times to prove that you aren't a pedophile already seems pretty extreme, and it gets the point across while a more exaggerated effect also risks having less connection to the topic.

Agreed

Much child abuse is done by the children's own parents. But (A) that doesn't make it okay, and (B) the majority of parents don't.

Yea, probably

[Australian rePublic]

Last call before submission

[Trotterdam]

You need an effect line for the second option before you submit this.

[Luna Amore]

This could probably stand at least a third option although nothing jumps to mind.

[Trotterdam]

This could probably stand at least a third option although nothing jumps to mind.

- Take children away from their parents to be raised communally / thrown to the wolves / etc.?
- Decide you're okay with pedophiles anyway?
Neither of those seem like particularly great ideas. I do think the main dilemma makes sense as a two-option issue, so the challenge for a third option is more coming up with a sufficiently funny crazy option rather than coming up with a sensible alternative or compromise.

[Aclion]

"taking photos of little girls" implies to me that he may have been photographing other people's children. I don't know if that's intented but to me it creates the implication that he may in fact have been a pedophile.

This could probably stand at least a third option although nothing jumps to mind.

- Take children away from their parents to be raised communally / thrown to the wolves / etc.?
- Decide you're okay with pedophiles anyway?
Neither of those seem like particularly great ideas. I do think the main dilemma makes sense as a two-option issue, so the challenge for a third option is more coming up with a sufficiently funny crazy option rather than coming up with a sensible alternative or compromise.

Hire police officers to monitor playground activity?

[Trotterdam]

Hire police officers to monitor playground activity?

But you'd still need laws for which people those police officers are actually supposed to arrest/chase off, which is... this issue.

Anyway, I don't think the main concern with pedophiles is them actually molesting a child on the playground (far too many witnesses, both child and adult, there), but rather selecting a victim there and stalking her for ambushing later. (I will admit that this is not a subject on which I have any first-hand experience.)

[Australian rePublic]

So I added an effect for the second option

I'm with Trott on this one, I think it could stand as a two-option issue, I think it's better off without a third option, but anyway...
How about something like "Why are fathers in the park, anyway? Raising children is a mothers job. Dads should be out and working"

"taking photos of little girls" implies to me that he may have been photographing other people's children. I don't know if that's intented but to me it creates the implication that he may in fact have been a pedophile.

Fixed. Thanks!

[Zaluzianskya]

I don't think the SJW accusation in option two is fair. The stereotype of "women who scream at men in parks" belongs more to middle-aged soccer moms than college students with dyed hair.

[Sanctaria]

I don't think the SJW accusation in option two is fair. The stereotype of "women who scream at men in parks" belongs more to middle-aged soccer moms than college students with dyed hair.

I don't know if that's strictly true, but I would agree that nowadays the stereotypical "college feminist SJW" would probably take a picture of the guy herself, shame him on social media, and make it go viral, causing a lot more problems for the guy than just shouting at him in the park.

[Trotterdam]

Mainly, I think the issue is that SJWs are generally wanting to either treat everyone more equal. They also tend to rage against the status quo, rather than being overzealous in opposing something that's already firmly illegal.

This father wasn't being accused of discriminating against women or children or female children or anything, just of giving them a little too much attention. That seems to fall outside of SJWs' purview.

[Zaluzianskya]

Mainly, I think the issue is that SJWs are generally wanting to either treat everyone more equal. They also tend to rage against the status quo, rather than being overzealous in opposing something that's already firmly illegal.

This father wasn't being accused of discriminating against women or children or female children or anything, just of giving them a little too much attention. That seems to fall outside of SJWs' purview.

Yeah, this. What is with the kneejerk accuse-everyone-I-dislike-of-being-an-SJW trend that's been happening lately?

I may be a little biased because I'm a feminist and I often get labeled an SJW but I would pick option 2 of this issue without a second thought.

[Australian rePublic]

I'll change the SJW part to "soccer mum""
Besides that, last call before submission

[National Socialists of Grammatica]

I suggest adding a third 'crazy' option about banning photography of children or something.

[Australian rePublic]

I suggest adding a third 'crazy' option about banning photography of children or something.

The problem is is that with or without the camera, he would still be thought to be a pedophile. The camera just adds insult to injury

[Australian rePublic]

Sorry I've let this issue, but I've been very busy lately

I need a new title for this issue, as it's too similar to that of another draft.

I was thinking:

-Parking Problems
-She took my park
-Parking Spots Causing Trouble
-Problems with Parking Children

What do you guys think? Any other title suggestions?

[Australian rePublic]

Submitted: I changed the title to "His Parking Children" and changed soccer mums in the second option to radical feminists

[Trotterdam]

How is "feminists" more applicable than "SJWs"?

It's not like anyone is complaining that mothers don't get to spend enough time with their kids because fathers keep stealing them.

The sole issue here is people being overzealous in protecting children from abuse, which is not, itself, a feminist goal.

...Okay, I guess that being overzealous in protecting adult women from perceived rapists would be something attributed to feminists/SJWs, so I can see where you made the connection. But when people are threatening little girls the "little" part gets more attention than the "girls" part, so I'm still not really making the association. Feminists would be getting uppity if there was a real or perceived conflict between school-age girls and school-age boys, but that's not what's going on here either.

Practically, pedophilia is bad. This is sufficiently widely-accepted that even feminists don't usually accuse the patriarchy of thinking otherwise. The problem isn't so much thinking that most men are pedophiles, as thinking that men who aren't pedophiles would have no interest in children (and so anyone who does must be one) - which actually falls into the "raising children is women's work" stereotype which is generally considered anti-feminist. Feminists might not be particularly interested in addressing the problem (since it's not women being hurt by it), but I don't think they're the cause, either.

[Fauxia]

How is "feminists" more applicable than "SJWs"?

It's not like anyone is complaining that mothers don't get to spend enough time with their kids because fathers keep stealing them.

The sole issue here is people being overzealous in protecting children from abuse, which is not, itself, a feminist goal.

...Okay, I guess that being overzealous in protecting adult women from perceived rapists would be something attributed to feminists/SJWs, so I can see where you made the connection. But when people are threatening little girls the "little" part gets more attention than the "girls" part, so I'm still not really making the association. Feminists would be getting uppity if there was a real or perceived conflict between school-age girls and school-age boys, but that's not what's going on here either.

Practically, pedophilia is bad. This is sufficiently widely-accepted that even feminists don't usually accuse the patriarchy of thinking otherwise. The problem isn't so much thinking that most men are pedophiles, as thinking that men who aren't pedophiles would have no interest in children (and so anyone who does must be one) - which actually falls into the "raising children is women's work" stereotype which is generally considered anti-feminist. Feminists might not be particularly interested in addressing the problem (since it's not women being hurt by it), but I don't think they're the cause, either.

Not everyone thinks pedophilia is bad, actually.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mil ... c1d1f88d77

To be honest, I can't promise you he was actually serious, because I don't know how serious Milo Yiannopouloupoulopouloupolos is, to some degree at least he's just a troll.