SUBMITTED: The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

by **Australian rePublic** » Sun May 21, 2017 5:12 am

Since Issues for Communist Nations are in high demand...

Fourth Draft

[title]The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

[desc] When your national bureau of censorship discovered that foreign films contain product placement, subtle and obvious references to products in the form of paid advertisements, various ministers have started to panic concerned about how such a tool may promote capitalist ideas

[validity] Socialist nations, must allow international cinema

[option]"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says a foreign movie star, @@RANDOMNAME@@, whilst ensuring that the Revi logo on his jeans is noticeable to photographers "I mean, I know that McRonalds burgers can't be advertised, and nor can a slushee from 8/12, in @@NAME@@, but there's no reason that foreign art should be censored whilst on our shores! After all, they are legal products. Now, if you'll excuse I must continue reading this invigorating Jenifer Government book
[effect] product placement professionals swear that they're not advertisers

[option]"We need to censor out all product placement" says your nation's main censor, @@RANDOMNAME@@ "See here, there's a bucket of Bigtopia Fried Chicken, we can delete that scene, and there, in the far left corner where you can sort-of-kind of make out that can of Duff Beer sitting on the shelf, well guess what, scene deleted, and over there..." @@HE@@ trails on
[effect] foreigners flock to the nation to watch 3 hour movies in just 20 minutes

[option]"Why don't you replace products with superior @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ products?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propaganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a government provided car, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a government provided watch, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsessed with @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ products

[option]"Why don't you replace products with the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propoganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a flag, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a flag wrist band, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsesed with @@NAME@@'s flag[/spoiler]

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:18 am

No comments, is it that good or that bad?

by **Caracasus** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:42 am

Okay Aussie, let's take a look. Apologies this one somehow slipped under the radar.

[title]The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

I like the title!

[desc] When it was discovered that foreign films contain poroduct placement, both subtle and obvious references to brands, in the form of paid advertisments, concerned citizens have started to wonder if the product placement is earing too closely to capitalist ideas

[validity]Must be a socialist country, must allow foreign cinema, must allow outbound tourism

OK issue. Trouble is that it's just OK. All you've done here is tell me what the problem is - you need to show me what the problem is, preferably in a way that involves me, the reader. Perhaps I left the movie theater to be met with angry folks demanding that something is done about it? Or a protest? Additionally, you note in one of your options that it's a loophole for the advertising ban. Shouldn't this perhaps be one of (if not the most important) validity criteria? I know there are issues that allow you to ban advertising.

(Something like: https://i.imgur.com/gxuM60Oh.jpg)

[option]"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst showing you @@HIS@@ Revi jeans and Jeniffer Government Book "I mean, I know that people can't buy McRonalds burgers, and can't buy a slushee from 8/12, in @@NAME@@, but there's no reason that they should recieve advertisments for stuff they can buy when skiing on the slopes of Smalltopia" Smalltopia tourism department= one of the products
[effect]product placement is a loop hole to the advertising ban

So I'm loving the references to product placements. Perhaps make it a little more obvious what they're doing. I.E.

"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst making sure the label on @@HIS@@ Revi jeans is clearly visible to the press photographers.

Additionally, you are kind of assuming that the nation has also banned foreign imports here. That isn't necessarily true. Perhaps simply state that the people need to at least be aware of products and goods, and that there's nothing wrong with a little product placement? Honestly out of all the options this is the tricker one for me Aussie. Try re-doing some of the other stuff and we'll see how it looks after that.

[option]"We need to censor out all product placement" says your nation's main cencor, @@RANDOMNAME@@ "See here, there's a bucket of Bigtopia Fried Chicken, scene deleted, and here there's a man drinking a can of Duff Beer, scene deleted, and here there's a bag of..." @@HE@@ trails on
[effect] anti-product placement laws means that foreign films have half their scenes missing

Needs more.... something. I don't know precisely what, but something. A bit more life perhaps. Give me a character here. The effect line needs more comedy. Perhaps something about films not making any sense, or cultural masterpieces being crudely edited?

[option]"Why don't you replace products with the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propoganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a flag, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a flag wrist band, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsesed with @@NAME@@'s flag

Hmm. Think I'll see what you do with the rest before I comment too much on this,

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 24, 2017 4:27 am

Caracasus wrote:Okay Aussie, let's take a look. Apologies this one somehow slipped under the radar.

[title]The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

I like the title!
[desc] When it was discovered that foreign films contain poroduct placement, both subtle and obvious references to brands, in the form of paid advertisments, concerned citizens have started to wonder if the product placement is earing too closely to capitalist ideas

[validity]Must be a socialist country, must allow foreign cinema, must allow outbound tourism

OK issue. Trouble is that it's just OK. All you've done here is tell me what the problem is - you need to show me what the problem is, preferably in a way that involves me, the reader. Perhaps I left the movie theater to be met with angry folks demanding that something is done about it? Or a protest? Additionally, you note in one of your options that it's a loophole for the advertising ban. Shouldn't this perhaps be one of (if not the most important) validity criteria? I know there are issues that allow you to ban advertising.

(Something like: https://i.imgur.com/gxuM60Oh.jpg)

[option]"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst showing you @@HIS@@ Revi jeans and Jeniffer Government Book "I mean, I know that people can't buy McRonalds burgers, and can't buy a slushee from 8/12, in @@NAME@@, but there's no reason that they should recieve advertisments for stuff they can buy when skiing on the slopes of Smalltopia" Smalltopia tourism department= one of the products
[effect]product placement is a loop hole to the advertising ban

So I'm loving the references to product placements. Perhaps make it a little more obvious what they're doing. I.E.

"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst making sure the label on @@HIS@@ Revi jeans is clearly visible to the press photographers.

Additionally, you are kind of assuming that the nation has also banned foreign imports here. That isn't necessarily true. Perhaps simply state that the people need to at least be aware of products and goods, and that there's nothing wrong with a little product placement? Honestly out of all the options this is the tricker one for me Aussie. Try re-doing some of the other stuff and we'll see how it looks after that.

[option]"We need to censor out all product placement" says your nation's main cencor, @@RANDOMNAME@@ "See here, there's a bucket of Bigtopia Fried Chicken, scene deleted, and here there's a man drinking a can of Duff Beer, scene deleted, and here there's a bag of..." @@HE@@ trails on
[effect] anti-product placement laws means that foreign films have half their scenes missing

Needs more.... something. I don't know precisely what, but something. A bit more life perhaps. Give me a character here. The effect line needs more comedy. Perhaps something about films not making any sense, or cultural masterpieces being crudely edited?

[option]"Why don't you replace products with the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propoganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a flag, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a flag wrist band, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsesed with @@NAME@@'s flag

Hmm. Think I'll see what you do with the rest before I comment too much on this,

Thanks! I'll work on it later

by **Australian rePublic** » Sun May 28, 2017 4:05 pm

Thanks Caracasus for helping me with this draft. If you can help make this better, I may make you my co-author!

I'm glad you liked my first option. (I actually stole it from Wayne's World)

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sun May 28, 2017 4:07 pm

Why is this necessarily a socialist issue (or can only socialist nations ban advertising?)

by **Caracasus** » Tue May 30, 2017 4:46 am

Australian Republic wrote:Thanks Caracasus for helping me with this draft. If you can help make this better, I may make you my co-author!

I'm glad you liked my first option. (I actually stole it from Wayne's World)

No worries. I'm honestly not in this for co-authorship mate - but good to see that the issue is developing.

The Grene Knyght wrote:Why is this necessarily a socialist issue (or can only socialist nations ban advertising?)

Started out as socialist issue only, though now AR has changed the validity (advertising banned) I guess it's possible that non-socialist nations might get it - provided they've outlawed advertising.

by **Caracasus** » Tue May 30, 2017 4:48 am

Australian Republic wrote:Since Issues for Communist Nations are in high demand...

[title]The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

[desc] After the national censorship beauro discovered that foreign films contain product placement, subtle and obvious references to brands in the form of paid advertisements, concerned parties have all gathered round your office and demanding that you close the loophole

[validity] Advertising must be banned, must allow international cinema

[option]"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst ensuring that the Revi logo on his jeans is noticeable to photographers "I mean, I know that McRonalds burgers can't be advertised, and nor can a slushee from 8/12, in @@NAME@@, but there's no reason that foreign art should be censored whilst on our shores! After all, they are legal products. Now, if you'll excuse I must continue reading this invigorating Jenifer Government book
[effect]product placement is a loop hole to the advertising ban

[option]"We need to censor out all product placement" says your nation's main cencor, @@RANDOMNAME@@ "See here, there's a bucket of Bigtopia Fried Chicken, we can delete that scene, and there, in the far left corner where you can sort-of-kind of make out that can of Duff Beer sitting on the shelf, well guess what, scene deleted, and over there..." @@HE@@ trails on
[effect] foreign films become gibberish thanks to censoring of product placement

[option]"Why don't you replace products with the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propoganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a flag, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a flag wrist band, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsesed with @@NAME@@'s flag

[title]The Greatest Issue Ever Sold

[desc] When it was discovered that foreign films contain poroduct placement, both subtle and obvious references to brands, in the form of paid advertisments, concerned citizens have started to wonder if the product placement is earing too closely to capitalist ideas

[validity]Must be a socialist country, must allow foreign cinema, must allow outbound tourism

[option]"@@LEADER@@, there's nothing wrong with product placement" says @@RANDOMNAM@@, whilst showing you @@HIS@@ Revi jeans and Jeniffer Government Book "I mean, I know that people can't buy McRonalds burgers, and can't buy a slushee from 8/12, in @@NAME@@, but there's no reason that they should recieve advertisments for stuff they can buy when skiing on the slopes of Smalltopia" Smalltopia tourism department= one of the products
[effect]product placement is a loop hole to the advertising ban

[option]"We need to censor out all product placement" says your nation's main cencor, @@RANDOMNAME@@ "See here, there's a bucket of Bigtopia Fried Chicken, scene deleted, and here there's a man drinking a can of Duff Beer, scene deleted, and here there's a bag of..." @@HE@@ trails on
[effect] anti-product placement laws means that foreign films have half their scenes missing

[option]"Why don't you replace products with the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ flag?" asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your minister of propoganda "I mean think about it, here where you see a person driving a car, you replace the General Engines logo with a flag, and here, where James Seperated constantly mentions his Chronometrics watch, we can replace it with a flag wrist band, and you get the point..."
[effect] citizens often wonder why foreign movie stars obsesed with @@NAME@@'s flag

More thoughts.

1) You're still telling me what happened in the issue AR! Give me a scenario. Perhaps I'm in line to see a film and get beset by paparazzi and protestors? Perhaps I'm there to greet an actor who stars in the film (could make this person the option 1 narrator).

2) Effect line for option 1 is bland. Make it snazzier.... somehow.

3) Effect line for number 2. Perhaps also reference the fact that films are much, much shorter due to censoring?

by **Australian rePublic** » Tue May 30, 2017 6:41 pm

And the third draft is up. Thanks for all your help Caracasus :hug:

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Wed May 31, 2017 1:03 am

For reference, there's no policy for tracking whether advertising is banned or not.

It was discussed recently, for the edit of A Word From Our Sponsors, in view of that fact that 104-3 already banned advertising.

However, 104-3 had never been respected in narrative, and on my count there were 57 counts of advert, 7 counts of marketing and 2 of marketer within the issue base. If a policy tracking banning of adverts were introduced, all these would need alternate options.

For some policies, like democracy/autocracy or capitalism/not this is totally worth doing. However, as banning adverts is such a fringe banning effect, it's not worth the hassle of coding the above.

Instead, A Word From Our Sponsors was edited to take out the possibility of banning adverts and 104-3 was edited so that it no longer bans adverts.

That makes this draft hard to use, as there's no way to set up the validity check, and your narrative is dependent on it.

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 31, 2017 1:17 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:For reference, there's no policy for tracking whether advertising is banned or not.

It was discussed recently, for the edit of A Word From Our Sponsors, in view of that fact that 104-3 already banned advertising.

However, 104-3 had never been respected in narrative, and on my count there were 57 counts of advert, 7 counts of marketing and 2 of marketer within the issue base. If a policy tracking banning of adverts were introduced, all these would need alternate options.

For some policies, like democracy/autocracy or capitalism/not this is totally worth doing. However, as banning adverts is such a fringe banning effect, it's not worth the hassle of coding the above.

Instead, A Word From Our Sponsors was edited to take out the possibility of banning adverts and 104-3 was edited so that it no longer bans adverts.

That makes this draft hard to use, as there's no way to set up the validity check, and your narrative is dependent on it.

Well my original plan was for socialist nations. Should I go back to that?

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Wed May 31, 2017 1:34 am

For sure, though non-capitalist nations don't necessarily ban advertising, they just change its purpose by default from being about generating market share to providing information / propaganda.

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 31, 2017 1:58 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:For sure, though non-capitalist nations don't necessarily ban advertising, they just change its purpose by default from being about generating market share to providing information / propaganda.

Yea, but as far as corporate advertising goes, socialists would be more likely to ban it than capitalists

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Wed May 31, 2017 2:30 am

Right, as that bloke Aussie says, show us what you mean in the issue, not the thread.

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 31, 2017 2:38 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Right, as that bloke Aussie says, show us what you mean in the issue, not the thread.

I intend to...

by **Trotterdam** » Wed May 31, 2017 7:30 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:For sure, though non-capitalist nations don't necessarily ban advertising, they just change its purpose by default from being about generating market share to providing information / propaganda.

And the product placement would likely be extolling the virtues of the Glorious People's Industry's products, not foreign products of a dirty capitalist system that aren't even legal to p*rch*s* in your nation..

Which is maybe similar to putting flags on everything, though I think at least some communist nations' economic planning boards would have more taste than that.

by **Australian rePublic** » Wed May 31, 2017 4:14 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:For sure, though non-capitalist nations don't necessarily ban advertising, they just change its purpose by default from being about generating market share to providing information / propaganda.
And the product placement would likely be extolling the virtues of the Glorious People's Industry's products, not foreign products of a dirty capitalist system that aren't even legal to p*rch*s* in your nation..

Which is maybe similar to putting flags on everything, though I think at least some communist nations' economic planning boards would have more taste than that.

So what do you suggest?

by **Australian rePublic** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:21 pm

Thanks for your help guys. Next draft is up

by **Australian rePublic** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:56 pm

Last call before submission

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:50 am

Bmp for submission

by **Frieden-und Freudenland** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:29 am

Good luck, Aussie

by **Australian rePublic** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:46 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Good luck, Aussie

Thanks!

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