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[ACCEPTED]The Immortal Cells of Mrs. Gratwick

Postby The Atlae Isles » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:02 am

Description: One generation ago, scientists took a biopsy of a tumor from Elizabeth Gratwick, a cancer patient who died soon after, without her knowledge, these cells have grown and grown. Now, they have been flown all over the world and to the moon and have been tested with many medicines and poisons. Now, Elizabeth's family and a group of concerned scientists have gathered in your office to discuss the matter.

Validity: Medium Scientific Advancement

[option]"This is a scientific miracle!" Shouts award-winning biologist @@RANDOMNAME@@, holding up a Petri dish of a purplish jiggly substance. "These cells have been a breakthrough; we can use them to test cures for cancer, and understand how they develop and how they function! All these years later, these cells keep chugging along. They have outlived all the others; we can't go back now! With these, we might find a way to immortality! Consent isn't worth all that, right?"
[effect]there are rumors that scientists have found the cure to cancer

[option]"My poor mother can't even rest in peace and you're doing stuff to her!" Growls Elizabeth's daughter Catherine Gratwick. "You can't just infect her with Spoon Pox, and you'll have to ask me first! How would you like it if your mother's remains were exhumed and mutilated? Cell testing must be abolished and the poor victim's families must be compensated in full!"
[effect]one has to ask very, very politely to obtain cancer cells or risk an invoice on their heads

[option]"These things are funny!" Giggles your young niece @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, squishing her fingers in the goo. "@@LEADER@@, why don't you sell these to people? You have an infinite supply, and you'll make oodles of money off of these! And if you get enough, can you get me another pony?"
[effect]the biggest export from @@NAME@@ is currently boxes upon boxes of purple jiggly cancer cells


Description: One generation ago, scientists took a biopsy of a tumor from Elizabeth Gratwick, a cancer patient who died soon after, without her knowledge, these cells have grown and grown, have been flown all over the world and to the moon, and have been tested with medicines and poisons. Now, Elizabeth's family and a group of concerned scientists have gathered in your office to discuss the matter.

Validity: Seriously, what should it be?

[option]"This is a scientific miracle!" Shouts award-winning biologist @@RANDOMNAME@@, holding up a Petri dish of a purplish jiggly substance. "These cells have been a breakthrough; we can use them to test cures for cancer, and understand how they develop and how they function! All these years later, these cells keep chugging along. They have outlived all the others; we can't go back now! With these, we might find a way to immortality! Consent isn't worth all that, right?"
[effect]There are rumors that scientists have found the cure to cancer.

[option]"My poor mother can't even rest in peace and you're doing stuff to her!" Growls Elizabeth's daughter Catherine Gratwick. "You can't just infect her with Spoon Pox, and you'll have to ask me first! How would you like it if your mother's remains were exhumed and mutilated? These monsters have to pay for their actions; I demand compensation in full!"
[effect]One has to ask very, very politely to obtain cancer cells, or risk an invoice on their heads.

[option]"These things are funny!" Giggles your young niece @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, squishing her fingers in the goo. "@@LEADER@@, why don't you sell these to people? You have an infinite supply, and you'll make oodles of money off of these! And if you get enough, can you get me another pony?"
[effect]The biggest export from @@NAME@@ is currently boxed upon boxes of purple jiggly cancer cells.


Description: One generation ago, scientists took a biopsy of a tumor from Elizabeth Gratwick, a cancer patient who died soon after, without her knowledge, these cells have grown and grown, have been flown all over the world and to the moon, and have been tested with medicines and poisons. Now, the Elizabeth's family and a group of concerned scientists have gathered in your office to discuss the matter.

Validity: (Can't remember at the moment)

[option]"This is a scientific miracle!" Shouts award-winning biologist @@RANDOMNAME@@, holding up a Petri dish of a purplish jiggly substance. "These cells have been a breakthrough; we can use them to test cures for cancer, and understand how they develop and how they function! All these years later, these cells keep chugging along. They have outlived all the others; we can't go back now! With these, we might find a way to immortality! Consent isn't worth all that, right?"
[effect]There are rumors that scientists have found the cure to cancer.

[option]"My poor mother wasn't ever told that a part of her would be flown around the world and to the moon!" Sniffles Elizabeth's daughter Catherine Gratwick. "How can she ever rest in peace if part of her is being infected by Spoon Pox, or @@DENONYM@ Spotted Fever? Scientists can't just take things like that!"
[effect]One has to ask very, very politely to obtain cancer cells.

[option]"These things are funny!" Giggles your young niece @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, squishing her fingers in the goo. "@@LEADER@@, why don't you sell these to people? You have an infinite supply, and you'll make oodles of money off of these! And if you get enough, can you get me another pony?"
[effect]The biggest export from @@NAME@@ is now boxes upon boxes of purple jiggly cancer cells.

Description: One generation ago, scientists took a biopsy of a tumor from Catherine Gratwick, a cancer patient who died soon later, without her knowledge, these "CaGr" cells have grown and grown, and have been flown all over the world, to the moon, and have been tested with medicines and poisons. Now, Catherine's daughter and a group of concerned scientists have gathered in your office to discuss the matter.

Validity: (Can't remember at the moment)

[option]"This is a scientific miracle!" Shouts award-winning biologist @@RANDOMNAME@@, holding up a Petri dish of a purplish jiggly substance. "CaGr cells have been a breakthrough; we can use them to test cures for cancer, and understand how they develop and how they function! All these years later, these cells keep chugging along. Perhaps, we can find a way to immortality! Consent isn't worth finding all that, right?"
[effect]There are rumors that scientists have found the cure to cancer.

[option]"My poor mother wasn't ever told that a part of her would be flown around the world and to the moon!" Sniffles Catherine's daughter @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@. "How can she ever rest in peace if part of her is being infected by Spoon Pox, or @@DENONYM@ Fever? Scientists can't just take things like that!"
[effect]One has to ask politely to obtain cancer cells.

[option]"These things are funny!" Giggles your young niece @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@. "@@LEADER@@, why don't you sell these to people? You have an infinite supply, and you'll make oodles of money off of these! And if you get enough, can you get me another pony?"
[effect]CaGr cells are now available in stores near @@CAPITAL@@.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:48 pm

Are you a new writter? If so, welcome to Got Issues, it's always nice to see a new writter:
Interesting premise, but let's take a look:
1. Why the Moon?
2. Option 2- could you add anything about religion here?
3. Option 3-I would stop taking her seriously as soon as she considered the situation to be funny
4. Effect for option 3- people read the effects without reading the issues. Don't write "CaGr" in the effects, people won't know what it is
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:25 pm

Australian Republic wrote:Are you a new writter? If so, welcome to Got Issues, it's always nice to see a new writter:
Interesting premise, but let's take a look:
1. Why the Moon?
2. Option 2- could you add anything about religion here?
3. Option 3-I would stop taking her seriously as soon as she considered the situation to be funny
4. Effect for option 3- people read the effects without reading the issues. Don't write "CaGr" in the effects, people won't know what it is

I've been here for a while... :(

1. This was inspired by Henrietta Lacks, a person whose cells are still surviving today, even though she is long gone. They have been sent into space, so I just put the moon there for good measure.
2. The only thing why religion should be involved is for the sanctity of life, where I believe it's already addressed. [How can she ever rest in peace if part of her...]
3. She's the niece. She has to consider everything funny, I hope...
4. How do people not read the issue?

I could delete Option 3, but I'd like 3 options.
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Postby Tretrid » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:29 pm

I just have one question at the moment: Why did you chose/kill off Catherine Gratwick? She's supposed to be the WA Secretary-General in the WA forums, and was part of an issue about road rage.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:35 pm

Tretrid wrote:I just have one question at the moment: Why did you chose/kill off Catherine Gratwick? She's supposed to be the WA Secretary-General in the WA forums and was part of an issue about road rage.

Catherine Gratwick pops up in issues everywhere. Do you have another generic female name? Also, the WA is normally separate from issues.

I personally think @@NAME@@ has an inordinate amount of Catherine Gratwicks everywhere.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:22 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Tretrid wrote:I just have one question at the moment: Why did you chose/kill off Catherine Gratwick? She's supposed to be the WA Secretary-General in the WA forums and was part of an issue about road rage.

Catherine Gratwick pops up in issues everywhere. Do you have another generic female name? Also, the WA is normally separate from issues.

I personally think @@NAME@@ has an inordinate amount of Catherine Gratwicks everywhere.

I have been on NS for years before I've had this account, and have NEVER heard of Cathrine Gatwicks...
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:34 am

Australian Republic wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:Catherine Gratwick pops up in issues everywhere. Do you have another generic female name? Also, the WA is normally separate from issues.

I personally think @@NAME@@ has an inordinate amount of Catherine Gratwicks everywhere.

I have been on NS for years before I've had this account, and have NEVER heard of Cathrine Gatwicks...

search.php?keywords=Catherine+Gratwick&t=88&sf=msgonly
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88&p=27900998&hilit=Catherine+Gratwick#p27900998

By the way, I do think I should put a religious option.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:07 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:I have been on NS for years before I've had this account, and have NEVER heard of Cathrine Gatwicks...

search.php?keywords=Catherine+Gratwick&t=88&sf=msgonly
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88&p=27900998&hilit=Catherine+Gratwick#p27900998

By the way, I do think I should put a religious option.

Hmm, well it's still an obscure reference, I don't think many would get it unless you explicitly say it out loud. Also, effect for option 3 doesn't say anything about Catherine Gratwick. It says "CaGr" I'm reading the effect but haven't seen/completely forgotten the issue. What's CaGr?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:11 am

Huh. I never noticed the Catherine Gratwick thing, but there it is, 13 instances in the issue base, including edited into an issue an authored. I think I'd always mentally filtered that as a random name.

As a doctor, I did know what you meant by CaGr cells, but then I know about HeLa cells too. I agree it may need some explanation for the laity.

It's probably also worth explaining why it's not practical to just pick another patient with cervical cancer and use their cells with proper consent instead: the fact that HeLa cells are exceptionally stable in replication is important, as is the fact that cellular immortality is a rare feature of cancer cells.

I love the concept of the issue though, and love that you've kept it to three options.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:40 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Huh. I never noticed the Catherine Gratwick thing, but there it is, 13 instances in the issue base, including edited into an issue an authored. I think I'd always mentally filtered that as a random name.

As a doctor, I did know what you meant by CaGr cells, but then I know about HeLa cells too. I agree it may need some explanation for the laity.

It's probably also worth explaining why it's not practical to just pick another patient with cervical cancer and use their cells with proper consent instead: the fact that HeLa cells are exceptionally stable in replication is important, as is the fact that cellular immortality is a rare feature of cancer cells.

I love the concept of the issue though, and love that you've kept it to three options.

CaGr is a real thing? I thought it was an abbreviation for Catherine Gratwick. Speaking of which, I always filtered that name as a random name too, assuming I'd ever encounteree it
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:42 am

When I Google CaGr cells is giving me an entire page of accounting calculators
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:30 am

You. Point. Missing.

CaGr is not a real thing, but it's an abbreviation in the style of HeLa.

Because it's not a real thing, it definitely needs some explanation in the issue, and definitely shouldn't appear in an effect line (where it could be seen without explanation by people visiting a nation's frontpage). However, once the issue establishes what the abbreviation stands for, there's no reason for it not to use that abbreviation for the remainder of the issue.
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Before I make another draft, what should the validity be?
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Postby Gnejs » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:19 am

That title is so great. But come on, you can't kill Catherine, I won't let you!

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:06 pm

Re: description.

Why not make her (randomfemalefirstname) Gratwick and make her granddaughter Catherine? That'd cover Gnejs' concerns, and make it more consistent with Catherine turning up in other issues after getting this one.

Also, it's died "soon after", not "soon later".
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:18 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:...

CaGr... ...definitely shouldn't appear in an effect line (where it could be seen ithout explanation by people visiting a nation's frontpage)...
that was my point exactly! And if you Google CaGr, you get an accòuntant's calculator
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:53 am

New draft up. And since the person has been changed, what should the title be? I don't think "the immortal cells of Elizabeth Gratwick" has the same ring to it.

But maybe it does. I'd certainly like to keep the format "The Immortal Cells of _____ Gratwick," and I don't want to change Elizabeth's name. I just think Elizabeth Gratwick isn't as recognizable.
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The Atlae Isles wrote:New draft up. And since the person has been changed, what should the title be? I don't think "the immortal cells of Elizabeth Gratwick" has the same ring to it.

But maybe it does. I'd certainly like to keep the format "The Immortal Cells of _____ Gratwick," and I don't want to change Elizabeth's name. I just think Elizabeth Gratwick isn't as recognizable.

But as we discussed earlier, Catherine Gratwick isn't recognisable either. At best, it's a niche joke that few of us get
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:33 am

Australian Republic wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:New draft up. And since the person has been changed, what should the title be? I don't think "the immortal cells of Elizabeth Gratwick" has the same ring to it.

But maybe it does. I'd certainly like to keep the format "The Immortal Cells of _____ Gratwick," and I don't want to change Elizabeth's name. I just think Elizabeth Gratwick isn't as recognizable.

But as we discussed earlier, Catherine Gratwick isn't recognisable either. At best, it's a niche joke that few of us get

If it''s not recognizable, why is it in so many issues? :p

Anyone have any suggestions for a title, or should I leave it as is?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:01 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:But as we discussed earlier, Catherine Gratwick isn't recognisable either. At best, it's a niche joke that few of us get

If it''s not recognizable, why is it in so many issues? :p

We told you, we thought it was a @@RANDOMNAME@@
Anyone have any suggestions for a title, or should I leave it as is?

Yes, replace Catherine with something else.
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Australian Republic wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:If it''s not recognizable, why is it in so many issues? :p

We told you, we thought it was a @@RANDOMNAME@@
Anyone have any suggestions for a title, or should I leave it as is?

Yes, replace Catherine with something else.

If it's equivalent as a @@RANDOMNAME@@, then it can stay, since there wouldn't be any reason to change it. The only reason it's changing is because Catherine appears in other issues, so it's not just a @@RANDOMNAME@@.

Catherine clearly is recognized by some people, as it's not just a @@RANDOMNAME@@.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:10 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:We told you, we thought it was a @@RANDOMNAME@@

Yes, replace Catherine with something else.

If it's equivalent as a @@RANDOMNAME@@, then it can stay, since there wouldn't be any reason to change it. The only reason it's changing is because Catherine appears in other issues, so it's not just a @@RANDOMNAME@@.

Catherine clearly is recognized by some people, as it's not just a @@RANDOMNAME@@.

This is getting nowhere. I'm done arguing this with you
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:48 am

I didn't recognise it, but I like that you did, and that you used it. Leave Catherine Gratwick in the text please.

As to the title, I'd suggest The Immortal Cells of Mrs. Gratwick

Someone is bound to complain at some stage that they banned marriage, but that's fine, because she's two generations historical by this stage.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:15 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I didn't recognise it, but I like that you did, and that you used it. Leave Catherine Gratwick in the text please.

As to the title, I'd suggest The Immortal Cells of Mrs. Gratwick

Someone is bound to complain at some stage that they banned marriage, but that's fine, because she's two generations historical by this stage.

Or maybe the new Cathrine Gratwick was named after her sick grandmother. Too much?
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 01, 2017 4:35 am

The Atlae Isles wrote:If it''s not recognizable, why is it in so many issues? :p

It's an old joke. It even pre-dates my start in NS...
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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