Issues Contest: The Fourth Awakens

[Mousebumples]

I'm not really on the issue editing team, but letting a friend submit an issue that we can all tell that you wrote probably won't win him any points when it comes to being selected as an Issue Editor. The whole point of this contest is to see how submitting individuals handle the setup, organization, etc., of an issue. When he submits something that you already wrote ... what does that show the IE team about his abilities in this area?

Ah ok, I thought it was just a matter of handling rights as it is his content and he can use it, being able to lend it to NS for use as an issue.

Thanks for clearing this up.

I mean, if the authoring player wants to let the other one submit it as an issue, I don't see any problems with it - especially if, as he claims, they co-authored it and he publicly posts to allow his friend to submit it. However, given the circumstances, I don't think it's likely to be successful as a submission for the contest.

[Noahs Second Country]

Ah ok, I thought it was just a matter of handling rights as it is his content and he can use it, being able to lend it to NS for use as an issue.

Thanks for clearing this up.

I mean, if the authoring player wants to let the other one submit it as an issue, I don't see any problems with it - especially if, as he claims, they co-authored it and he publicly posts to allow his friend to submit it. However, given the circumstances, I don't think it's likely to be successful as a submission for the contest.

You could argue that collaboration could produce a better issue...

[Luna Amore]

I mean, if the authoring player wants to let the other one submit it as an issue, I don't see any problems with it - especially if, as he claims, they co-authored it and he publicly posts to allow his friend to submit it. However, given the circumstances, I don't think it's likely to be successful as a submission for the contest.

You could argue that collaboration could produce a better issue...

We are trying to determine an individual's ability to write and edit. We work as a team behind the scenes, but the main editor of any given issue is still the driving force behind its progress.

I'd prefer no co-authors for contests.

[Noahs Second Country]

You could argue that collaboration could produce a better issue...

We are trying to determine an individual's ability to write and edit. We work as a team behind the scenes, but the main editor of any given issue is still the driving force behind its progress.

I'd prefer no co-authors for contests.

Makes sense.

[Cyborgs and Sentient Machines]

As long as you agree that he has rights to claim that it is his issue, then he can submit it here.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

I'm not really on the issue editing team, but letting a friend submit an issue that we can all tell that you wrote probably won't win him any points when it comes to being selected as an Issue Editor. The whole point of this contest is to see how submitting individuals handle the setup, organization, etc., of an issue. When he submits something that you already wrote ... what does that show the IE team about his abilities in this area?

Why do you think he didn't contribute?
Do you require me to post the discord screen caps showing the entire development?

[USS Monitor]

I'm not really on the issue editing team, but letting a friend submit an issue that we can all tell that you wrote probably won't win him any points when it comes to being selected as an Issue Editor. The whole point of this contest is to see how submitting individuals handle the setup, organization, etc., of an issue. When he submits something that you already wrote ... what does that show the IE team about his abilities in this area?

Why do you think he didn't contribute?
Do you require me to post the discord screen caps showing the entire development?

Even if he did contribute, that doesn't solve the problem. We still don't know what he's capable of writing without your help. It's a poor indication of his ability to be an editor.

[Sedgistan]

Continuing this discussion is pointless. If the issue isn't authored solely by you, do not submit it to the Contest. If you try, you'll get caught out, and you'll ruin any chance you had of becoming an Editor, likely permanently.

Feel free to submit your issue, but not as a Contest one.

Discussion over.

[Cyborgs and Sentient Machines]

Why do you think he didn't contribute?
Do you require me to post the discord screen caps showing the entire development?

Even if he did contribute, that doesn't solve the problem. We still don't know what he's capable of writing without your help. It's a poor indication of his ability to be an editor.

Continuing this discussion is pointless. If the issue isn't authored solely by you, do not submit it to the Contest. If you try, you'll get caught out, and you'll ruin any chance you had of becoming an Editor, likely permanently.

Feel free to submit your issue, but not as a Contest one.

Discussion over.

OK, the this conversation is terminated, but I will leave a link showing the entire development history, so you can know what was happening.

If I missed the part about only allowing issues authored by one person, I apologise, and if it wasn't there, it might be good to put it there next time so no one repeats my mistake.

https://imgur.com/a/x1npx

[Socio Polor]

Quick question, when the contest submission deadline passes, will their be finalists announced and if so will the winners of the contest be announced among the finalists or do the finalists have to do something else? Like submit a 2nd issue

[Kentalia]

Quick question, when the contest submission deadline passes, will their be finalists announced and if so will the winners of the contest be announced among the finalists or do the finalists have to do something else? Like submit a 2nd issue

As I recall from previous contests, the finalists are announced, then the team decide who they want on the team, then the winners are announced.

However, it could have changed.

[Socio Polor]

Quick question, when the contest submission deadline passes, will their be finalists announced and if so will the winners of the contest be announced among the finalists or do the finalists have to do something else? Like submit a 2nd issue

As I recall from previous contests, the finalists are announced, then the team decide who they want on the team, then the winners are announced.

However, it could have changed.

The 1st Issues Contest didn't really had finalists, they had contestants send in their issue submissions then Sirocco gave advice and stuff to the contestant and if they showed potential, they would become a editor and if not they would be declined or if they were unsure they would have the contestant send in a 2nd issue submission and if that was good the person would be able to become a editor

Edit: The previous/3rd issues contest also didn't have finalists. The 3rd issue contest was unique because sedge actually allowed contestants to do a little practice at editing issues by email under his guidance and if it worked out they'd be able to become editors

[Kentalia]

As I recall from previous contests, the finalists are announced, then the team decide who they want on the team, then the winners are announced.

However, it could have changed.

The 1st Issues Contest didn't really had finalists, they had contestants send in their issue submissions then Sirocco gave advice and stuff to the contestant and if they showed potential, they would become a editor and if not they would be declined or if they were unsure they would have the contestant send in a 2nd issue submission and if that was good the person would be able to become a editor

Edit: The previous/3rd issues contest also didn't have finalists. The 3rd issue contest was unique because sedge actually allowed contestants to do a little practice at editing issues by email under his guidance and if it worked out they'd be able to become editors

I swear, I was looking at one of the previous threads the other day, can't remember which one though. The issue contests have been so spread apart I can't remember a thing, plus I left before the last one happened.

Oh well.

[Socio Polor]

The 1st Issues Contest didn't really had finalists, they had contestants send in their issue submissions then Sirocco gave advice and stuff to the contestant and if they showed potential, they would become a editor and if not they would be declined or if they were unsure they would have the contestant send in a 2nd issue submission and if that was good the person would be able to become a editor

Edit: The previous/3rd issues contest also didn't have finalists. The 3rd issue contest was unique because sedge actually allowed contestants to do a little practice at editing issues by email under his guidance and if it worked out they'd be able to become editors

I swear, I was looking at one of the previous threads the other day, can't remember which one though. The issue contests have been so spread apart I can't remember a thing, plus I left before the last one happened.

Oh well.

That's understandable, I'm just curious especially considering I'm entering the contest.

[Socio Polor]

Will this be based on anything besides the issue submitted?
(previous issue history, warnings or bans, etc.)

Luna or myself do check moderation history before Editors are invited on board, but it's never been a problem yet.

Does this mean having a record doesn't affect your chances of becoming a editor?

[Kentalia]

Luna or myself do check moderation history before Editors are invited on board, but it's never been a problem yet.

Does this mean having a record doesn't affect your chances of becoming a editor?

If it's a major thing then they may take that into account, but I'd assume the odd newbie mistake would be ok.

[Socio Polor]

Does this mean having a record doesn't affect your chances of becoming a editor?

If it's a major thing then they may take that into account, but I'd assume the odd newbie mistake would be ok.

Well Sugar honey Ice Tea, hope my record isn't too bad, it shouldn't be considering I was new at the time and for other reasons I'd rather no mention here

[USS Monitor]

Does this mean having a record doesn't affect your chances of becoming a editor?

If it's a major thing then they may take that into account, but I'd assume the odd newbie mistake would be ok.

Considering people with a warning or two for minor offenses can be mods, I think they can also be editors. Just not if you're getting warned or banned every day.

[Kentalia]

If it's a major thing then they may take that into account, but I'd assume the odd newbie mistake would be ok.

Considering people with a warning or two for minor offenses can be mods, I think they can also be editors. Just not if you're getting warned or banned every day.

Do you know if they're taking into account activity in issue submissions and the Got Issues forum (On top of the submitted issue)?

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Considering people with a warning or two for minor offenses can be mods, I think they can also be editors. Just not if you're getting warned or banned every day.

Do you know if they're taking into account activity in issue submissions and the Got Issues forum (On top of the submitted issue)?

It's not they, it's us. Hiya.

I can't speak for every individual, but the things I look for are:

1) Is this a good issue?
2) Would this person make a good editor?

The former part is the same question as deciding whether an issue would be added to the yes-pool normally, but to be in line to winning the contest, the bar is set a little higher. To get into the yes-pool you only need to have enough good stuff there that the issue is potentially usable, even if we're a heavy edit, multiple cuts and a few additions away from doing so. Most stuff that is decent makes the yes-pool. To make the potential winners shortlist, however, the quality of issue writing has to show an understanding of how NS issues work, of how to strike a sense of balance and humour, and so on. In other words, it needs to be the sort of issue where any changes to it would reflect stylistic choices rather than absolute improvements.

The latter part is because the prize is to be an editor, and there's no point giving that prize to someone if we need to tell them a week later that they can't be an editor any more. Some things that I usually wouldn't care at all about in an issue submission are being looked for, namely:
1) The ability to spell, punctuate and form sentences in good English.
2) A sense of overall issue shape, length and pace.
3) The ability to accept criticism, but also to take leadership and retain editorial sovereignty.
4) The ability to get it at least almost-right on the first pass edit / draft, but also the ability to retain a sense of the overall issue while incorporating later suggestions.
5) Is it someone who I can work with? In other words, if I've made it clear I don't like you, then don't expect me to support you winning the contest. That may not be fair, but that's real life.

The submitted contest issue is the core around which these judgements are made. If you have great command of the English language normally, but lapse into nonsense for the contest issue, then you'll be judged as a Lord of Nonsense. The corollary, of course, is that if your usual stuff is a bit sloppy, but your contest issue is great, then the assumption will be that you can rise to the occasion when it matters.

Most importantly here, I don't care what your moderation record is, whether you're from antiquity or an absolute newbie, whether you're a proven issues author or completely unknown to us. We will let the contest issues speak for you.

[Kentalia]

Do you know if they're taking into account activity in issue submissions and the Got Issues forum (On top of the submitted issue)?

It's not they, it's us. Hiya.

I can't speak for every individual, but the things I look for are:

1) Is this a good issue?
2) Would this person make a good editor?

The former part is the same question as deciding whether an issue would be added to the yes-pool normally, but to be in line to winning the contest, the bar is set a little higher. To get into the yes-pool you only need to have enough good stuff there that the issue is potentially usable, even if we're a heavy edit, multiple cuts and a few additions away from doing so. Most stuff that is decent makes the yes-pool. To make the potential winners shortlist, however, the quality of issue writing has to show an understanding of how NS issues work, of how to strike a sense of balance and humour, and so on. In other words, it needs to be the sort of issue where any changes to it would reflect stylistic choices rather than absolute improvements.

The latter part is because the prize is to be an editor, and there's no point giving that prize to someone if we need to tell them a week later that they can't be an editor any more. Some things that I usually wouldn't care at all about in an issue submission are being looked for, namely:
1) The ability to spell, punctuate and form sentences in good English.
2) A sense of overall issue shape, length and pace.
3) The ability to accept criticism, but also to take leadership and retain editorial sovereignty.
4) The ability to get it at least almost-right on the first pass edit / draft, but also the ability to retain a sense of the overall issue while incorporating later suggestions.
5) Is it someone who I can work with? In other words, if I've made it clear I don't like you, then don't expect me to support you winning the contest. That may not be fair, but that's real life.

The submitted contest issue is the core around which these judgements are made. If you have great command of the English language normally, but lapse into nonsense for the contest issue, then you'll be judged as a Lord of Nonsense. The corollary, of course, is that if your usual stuff is a bit sloppy, but your contest issue is great, then the assumption will be that you can rise to the occasion when it matters.

Most importantly here, I don't care what your moderation record is, whether you're from antiquity or an absolute newbie, whether you're a proven issues author or completely unknown to us. We will let the contest issues speak for you.

Thanks for the information, and I hope that will answer further questions people may have. By the way, sorry for calling you they, I was referring to the team of Issue Editors as a body, and talking to USS Monitor as a Forum Mod (I.E Not a part of the issue editing team).

Thanks again, and my apologies.

[USS Monitor]

Thanks for the information, and I hope that will answer further questions people may have. By the way, sorry for calling you they, I was referring to the team of Issue Editors as a body, and talking to USS Monitor as a Forum Mod (I.E Not a part of the issue editing team).

Thanks again, and my apologies.

Candle might not realize that as a forum mod I have no access to Issues Control.

[Luna Amore]

Thanks for the information, and I hope that will answer further questions people may have. By the way, sorry for calling you they, I was referring to the team of Issue Editors as a body, and talking to USS Monitor as a Forum Mod (I.E Not a part of the issue editing team).

Thanks again, and my apologies.

Candle might not realize that as a forum mod I have no access to Issues Control.

Well of course not! It's only accessible by dirigible.

More seriously, record and age comes more into play with me now than it would have 5 years ago. Now, IEs have access to much of the backend of issues, specifically the stats themselves and the potential ability to add/modify existing issues. Chronic rulebreaking would be a red flag. Being a brand new or extremely young nation would also raise a red flag for me, because we don't have a lot of data to go on.

Communism, as always, would raise the biggest red flag.

[Socio Polor]

Quick question, when the contest submission deadline passes, will their be finalists announced and if so will the winners of the contest be announced among the finalists or do the finalists have to do something else? Like submit a 2nd issue

Just as a reminder, still waiting for this to be answered by either a mod or editor

[USS Monitor]

Candle might not realize that as a forum mod I have no access to Issues Control.

Well of course not! It's only accessible by dirigible.

More seriously, record and age comes more into play with me now than it would have 5 years ago. Now, IEs have access to much of the backend of issues, specifically the stats themselves and the potential ability to add/modify existing issues. Chronic rulebreaking would be a red flag. Being a brand new or extremely young nation would also raise a red flag for me, because we don't have a lot of data to go on.

Communism, as always, would raise the biggest red flag.

Yes, Communism does that.

[Kentalia]

Well of course not! It's only accessible by dirigible.

More seriously, record and age comes more into play with me now than it would have 5 years ago. Now, IEs have access to much of the backend of issues, specifically the stats themselves and the potential ability to add/modify existing issues. Chronic rulebreaking would be a red flag. Being a brand new or extremely young nation would also raise a red flag for me, because we don't have a lot of data to go on.

Communism, as always, would raise the biggest red flag.

Yes, Communism does that.

Did I just witness these moderator robots emmit humor? Oh my, technology has come far.

In all seriousness, thanks for the help people, and for not being robots with no sense of emotion .