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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 06, 2016 8:37 pm

Fourth and Final Draft:

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Cede Our Seeds?

Description

Biotech firm McSanto LLC has developed a new genetically engineered corn, with 200% more "butter" flavor and guaranteed free of those stringy bits that get stuck in your teeth. They've also engineered every mature kernel to be sterile, while marketing a special starter seed at premium prices. A group of angry small farm supporters demand you lend an ear.

Validity

genetic modification/engineering is legal; private enterprise is legal; greater than zero agricultural sector; greater than zero scientific advancement

Options

[option]"These Frankenfood monstrosities are nothing more than a means for McSanto to drive its competition out of business," says Maize Zea, founder of Stop Engineering Edibles Darnit! "Engineered sterilization prevents small family and subsistence farmers from saving and reusing seed. This means they have to buy all new and expensive seed for every single crop -- and only from McSanto! Do the right thing by abolishing genetically modified organisms, and engineered sterilization with them! Don't let the big biotech firms grind @@NAME@@ into cornmeal!"
[effect]an epidemic of unpopped kernels causes movie goers to gnash their teeth.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, avg income of rich decreases, business subsidization decreases, black market decreases, charmlessness increases, eco-friendliness increases, income equality increases, agriculture sector decreases, scientific advancement decreases.

[option]"Engineered sterilization provides us with the ability to ensure that genetically modified organisms stay targeted to farms and orchards, so that our precious natural spaces and native species remain unblemished. This way, future generations can prosper by better foods and a greener world," retorts Stover Cob, CEO of McSanto LLC, as he sets a gift basket of assorted gourmet popcorn on your desk. "Besides, without the ability to forc...eh, draw new agricultural business, McSanto wouldn't be able to recover the millions of @@CURRENCY@@s it spends on research and development. That means less buttery goodness on the table. Show you have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto."
[effect]the new "Bloodbath" orange tree autonomously seeks and destroys independent orchards.
[stats]avg income of poor decreases, avg income of rich increases, business subsidization increases, corruption increases, black market increases, income equality decreases, agriculture sector increases.

[option]While fiddling with a toothpick, Dr. Flint Shoepeg chimes in: "No doubt everyone benefits from the improvements companies like McSanto make to our crops. Those stringy bits really are -- OW! -- um, really are very annoying. But driving Mom 'n Pop out of business wouldn't be right either. Why don't you ban engineered sterilization, but support my research in chemical-based genetic rights management?" He retrieves some dental floss from a pocket before continuing: "This way, small farmers can still save seed, but McSanto can require the purchase of an activator spray that will turn their value-added features on. Sure, there's a small risk from runoff, but -- OW!"
[effect]Mom 'n Pop's Roadside Produce is easy to find, thanks to its glow-in-the-dark harvest.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, business subsidization decreases, charmlessness decreases, corruption decreases, black market decreases, eco-friendliness decreases, income equality increases, agriculture sector increases, scientific advancement increases.

Changelog:

1) Changed option three argument to include a pro-environment message.

Name:

Cede Our Seeds?

Description

Biotech firm McSanto LLC has developed a new genetically engineered corn, with 200% more "butter" flavor and guaranteed free of those stringy bits that get stuck in your teeth. They've also engineered every mature kernel to be sterile, while marketing a special starter seed at premium prices. A group of angry small farm supporters demand you lend an ear.

Validity

genetic modification/engineering is legal; private enterprise is legal; greater than zero agricultural sector; greater than zero scientific advancement

Options

[option]"These Frankenfood monstrosities are nothing more than a means for McSanto to drive its competition out of business," says Maize Zea, founder of Stop Engineering Edibles Darnit! "Engineered sterilization prevents small family and subsistence farmers from saving and reusing seed. This means they have to buy all new and expensive seed for every single crop -- and only from McSanto! Do the right thing by abolishing genetically modified organisms, and engineered sterilization with them! Don't let the big biotech firms grind @@NAME@@ into cornmeal!"
[effect]an epidemic of unpopped kernels causes movie goers to gnash their teeth.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, avg income of rich decreases, business subsidization decreases, black market decreases, charmlessness increases, eco-friendliness increases, income equality increases, agriculture sector decreases, scientific advancement decreases.

[option]"Without engineered sterilization, companies like McSanto cannot recover the millions of @@CURRENCY@@s spent on research and development. That means less delicious buttery goodness on the table," retorts Stover Cob, CEO of McSanto LLC, as he sets a gift basket of assorted gourmet popcorn on your desk. "The simple fact is, without the ability to forc...eh, draw new business, McSanto wouldn't be able to provide @@NAME@@ with the finest food products. Show you have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto."
[effect]the new "Bloodbath" orange tree autonomously targets and destroys independent orchards.
[stats]avg income of poor decreases, avg income of rich increases, business subsidization increases, corruption increases, black market increases, income equality decreases, agriculture sector increases.

[option]While fiddling with a toothpick, Dr. Flint Shoepeg chimes in: "No doubt everyone benefits from the improvements companies like McSanto make to our crops. Those stringy bits really are -- OW! -- um, really are very annoying. But driving Mom 'n Pop out of business wouldn't be right either. Why don't you ban engineered sterilization, but support my research in chemical-based genetic rights management?" He retrieves some dental floss from a pocket before continuing: "This way, small farmers can still save seed, but McSanto can require the purchase of an activator spray that will turn their value-added features on. Sure, there's a small risk from runoff, but -- OW!"
[effect]Mom 'n Pop's Roadside Produce is easy to find, thanks to its glow-in-the-dark harvest.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, business subsidization decreases, charmlessness decreases, corruption decreases, black market decreases, eco-friendliness decreases, income equality increases, agriculture sector increases, scientific advancement increases.

Changelog:

1) Reworded issue description to avoid repetition of "buy new seed" detail, while emphasizing the actual/potential problem ("premium prices").
2) Changed name to "Cede Our Seeds?" to avoid certain...misunderstandings.
3) Replaced first reference to "engineered sterilization" in option one to avoid repetition, and to suggest a more generally anti-GMO stance.


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Cede Our Seed?

Description

Biotech firm McSanto LLC has developed a new genetically engineered corn, with 200% more "butter" flavor and guaranteed free of those stringy bits that get stuck in your teeth. They've also engineered every mature kernel to be sterile, so growers have to buy special starter seed to begin a new crop. A group of angry small farm supporters demand you lend an ear.

Validity

genetic modification/engineering is legal; private enterprise is legal; greater than zero agricultural sector; greater than zero scientific advancement

Options

[option]"Engineered sterilization is nothing more than a means for McSanto to drive its competition out of business," says Maize Zea, founder of Stop Engineering Edibles Darnit! "Engineered sterilization prevents small family and subsistence farmers from saving and reusing seed. This means they have to buy all new seed for every single crop -- and only from McSanto! Do the right thing by abolishing genetically modified organisms, and engineered sterilization with them! Don't let the big biotech firms grind @@NAME@@ into cornmeal!"
[effect]an epidemic of unpopped kernels causes movie goers to gnash their teeth.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, avg income of rich decreases, business subsidization decreases, black market decreases, charmlessness increases, eco-friendliness increases, income equality increases, agriculture sector decreases, scientific advancement decreases.

[option]"Without engineered sterilization, companies like McSanto cannot recover the millions of @@CURRENCY@@s spent on research and development. That means less delicious buttery goodness on the table," retorts Stover Cob, CEO of McSanto LLC, as he sets a gift basket of assorted gourmet popcorn on your desk. "The simple fact is, without the ability to forc...eh, draw new business, McSanto wouldn't be able to provide @@NAME@@ with the finest food products. Show you have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto."
[effect]the new "Bloodbath" orange tree autonomously targets and destroys independent orchards.
[stats]avg income of poor decreases, avg income of rich increases, business subsidization increases, corruption increases, black market increases, income equality decreases, agriculture sector increases.

[option]While fiddling with a toothpick, Dr. Flint Shoepeg chimes in: "No doubt everyone benefits from the improvements companies like McSanto make to our crops. Those stringy bits really are -- OW! -- um, really are very annoying. But driving Mom 'n Pop out of business wouldn't be right either. Why don't you ban engineered sterilization, but support my research in chemical-based genetic rights management?" He retrieves some dental floss from a pocket before continuing: "This way, small farmers can still save seed, but McSanto can require the purchase of an activator spray that will turn their value-added features on. Sure, there's a small risk from runoff, but -- OW!"
[effect]Mom 'n Pop's Roadside Produce is easy to find, thanks to its glow-in-the-dark harvest.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, business subsidization decreases, charmlessness decreases, corruption decreases, black market decreases, eco-friendliness decreases, income equality increases, agriculture sector increases, scientific advancement increases.

Changelog:

1) Replaced/reworded option one effect.
2) Demoted the "Colonel" to just "Stover Cob"
3) Replaced reference to "McSanto" in second option effect with description of "Bloodbath" oranges.
4) added "charmlessness decreases" to third option stats, since bioluminescent produce stands are, though disturbing, still charming.


Not sure if the description of validity below is itself valid, but here goes:

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Cede Our Seed?

Description

Biotech firm McSanto LLC has developed a new genetically engineered corn, with 200% more "butter" flavor and guaranteed free of those stringy bits that get stuck in your teeth. They've also engineered every mature kernel to be sterile, so growers have to buy special starter seed to begin a new crop. A group of angry small farm supporters demand you lend an ear.

Validity

genetic modification/engineering is legal; private enterprise is legal; greater than zero agricultural sector; greater than zero scientific advancement

Options

[option]"Engineered sterilization is nothing more than a means for McSanto to drive its competition out of business," says Maize Zea, founder of Stop Engineering Edibles Darnit! "Engineered sterilization prevents small family and subsistence farmers from saving and reusing seed. This means they have to buy all new seed for every single crop -- and only from McSanto! Do the right thing by abolishing genetically modified organisms, and engineered sterilization with them! Don't let the big biotech firms grind @@NAME@@ into cornmeal!"
[effect]Movie goers are disappointed by jumbo popcorn tubs filled with mostly hulls.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, avg income of rich decreases, business subsidization decreases, black market decreases, charmlessness increases, eco-friendliness increases, income equality increases, agriculture sector decreases, scientific advancement decreases.

[option]"Without engineered sterilization, companies like McSanto cannot recover the millions of @@CURRENCY@@s spent on research and development. That means less delicious buttery goodness on the table," retorts Colonel Stover Cob, CEO of McSanto LLC, as he sets a gift basket of assorted gourmet popcorn on your desk. "The simple fact is, without the ability to forc...eh, draw new business, McSanto wouldn't be able to provide @@NAME@@ with the finest food products. Show you have have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto."
[effect]McSanto's new line of incendiary citrus autonomously targets and destroys independent orchards.
[stats]avg income of poor decreases, avg income of rich increases, business subsidization increases, corruption increases, black market increases, income equality decreases, agriculture sector increases.

[option]While fiddling with a toothpick, Dr. Flint Shoepeg chimes in: "No doubt everyone benefits from the improvements companies like McSanto make to our crops. Those stringy bits really are -- OW! -- um, really are very annoying. But driving Mom 'n Pop out of business wouldn't be right either. Why don't you ban engineered sterilization, but support my research in chemical-based genetic rights management?" He retrieves some dental floss from a pocket before continuing: "This way, small farmers can still save seed, but McSanto can require the purchase of an activator spray that will turn their value-added features on. Sure, there's a small risk from runoff, but -- OW!"
[effect]Mom 'n Pop's Roadside Produce is easy to find, thanks to its glow-in-the-dark harvest.
[stats]avg income of poor increases, business subsidization decreases, corruption decreases, black market decreases, eco-friendliness decreases, income equality increases, agriculture sector increases, scientific advancement increases.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 06, 2016 8:57 pm

This draft is intended to capture the debate over genetic use restriction technologies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_u ... technology

"engineered sterilization" is intended to describe variety-level genetic use restriction. With such a technology, the seeds produced by mature plant variants are rendered sterile, requiring the purchase of new starter seed with every crop. This benefits bio-engineers by capturing a market audience, but potentially puts small farmers at a disadvantage (precisely because they are a captive market).

"chemical-based genetic rights management" is intended to describe trait-level genetic use restriction. In this case, all seed remain fertile, but value-added engineered traits remain dormant unless the plant variant is treated with a chemical activator. Small farmers can continue to seed save, and bio-engineers can protect their proprietary interests to a still significant extent.

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Postby Logophilia Lyricalia » Sat May 07, 2016 10:23 am

I love this.

Couple small things:

- generally company names don't appear in effect lines; the farmstand is OK because it's clear what it is, but I'd remove McSanto from option 2 and do something like "the new 'Fireball' line of GMO citrus autonomously..."

- "hulls" in movie theater popcorn: are those the same thing as unpopped kernels? If not, I can't visualize what this means.

- do the people's names mean anything / refer to RL aspects? I get "Maize" but that's about it.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Sat May 07, 2016 10:59 am

Logophilia Lyricalia wrote:I love this.


Thanks! :D

Couple small things:

- generally company names don't appear in effect lines; the farmstand is OK because it's clear what it is, but I'd remove McSanto from option 2 and do something like "the new 'Fireball' line of GMO citrus autonomously..."


Ah, I see. Readers of nation overviews might not know or remember what McSanto is. Makes sense.

I was thinking maybe a play on "Bloodbath" oranges or "Imperialist" lemons?

- "hulls" in movie theater popcorn: are those the same thing as unpopped kernels? If not, I can't visualize what this means.


Some googling suggested to me that those jaggy bits at the bottom of the bowl that ruin dental work are called "hulls." Now that I say it out loud, maybe "those jaggy bits at the bottom" is a better way to put it.

- do the people's names mean anything / refer to RL aspects? I get "Maize" but that's about it.


Yes, they're meant to, but it might be a bit esoteric.

Zea - Part of the taxonomic name of corn-like species.

Colonel - play on kernel
Stover - the bits of stalk and leaf waste left behind when corn is harvested
Cob - as in "corn-on-the-"

Flint and shoepeg - varietals of corn.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Sat May 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Bump for second draft, per some of Logophilia Lyricalia's suggestions.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon May 09, 2016 4:38 am

This is a really entertaining, well-written draft. Nice one. Let it sit for a while though before submission, others may have more feedback.
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Postby Barikistan » Mon May 09, 2016 4:40 am

Looks good. Though I'm slightly confused as its about corn .
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Postby Gnejs » Mon May 09, 2016 4:42 am

Very nice. I appreciate the fitting acronym, I've always been fond of those.

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Postby A Humanist Science » Mon May 09, 2016 10:48 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:This is a really entertaining, well-written draft. Nice one. Let it sit for a while though before submission, others may have more feedback.


Thanks! Yeah, It'll have to sit anyway, till I reach the minimum population for submitting.

Barikistan wrote:Looks good. Though I'm slightly confused as its about corn .


I'm in the United States; corn is easily the most hyper-politicized crop here. Although this draft is meant to capture more of the debate re: GMOs, it seemed natural that corn should play a central role.

Gnejs wrote:Very nice. I appreciate the fitting acronym, I've always been fond of those.


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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Mon May 09, 2016 10:52 am

When I first clicked on this, I thought it would be about sperm donation. :p

Good draft, though.
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon May 09, 2016 10:53 am

Show you have have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto


Got a bit of repetition there, otherwise I love the issue.
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The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:When I first clicked on this, I thought it would be about sperm donation. :p

Good draft, though.


That would have been a perfect title too. :lol:

New Zepuha wrote:
Show you have have some grits; support agriculture by supporting McSanto


Got a bit of repetition there, otherwise I love the issue.


Thanks, and fixed!

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The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:When I first clicked on this, I thought it would be about sperm donation. :p

Good draft, though.

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Postby A Humanist Science » Mon May 09, 2016 7:25 pm

Bump for new and third draft.

Also, I'm considering changing the effect of option two to reference something like a "Thanatos (TM) brand multiple independently targetable reentry pomegranate," or some other similar fruit with lots of seeds. Don't want to make it too corny though.

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Postby Barikistan » Mon May 09, 2016 7:26 pm

Uh ok makes sense.
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The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:When I first clicked on this, I thought it would be about sperm donation. :p

Good draft, though.


That's what I thought about with this title as well, but I have to admit that the title still made me laugh.

Good job on this issue. It's humorous and well written.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Mon May 09, 2016 7:38 pm

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The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster wrote:When I first clicked on this, I thought it would be about sperm donation. :p

Good draft, though.


That's what I thought about with this title as well, but I have to admit that the title still made me laugh.

Good job on this issue. It's humorous and well written.


Thanks :D

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu May 12, 2016 10:32 am

A Humanist Science wrote:Bump for new and third draft.

Also, I'm considering changing the effect of option two to reference something like a "Thanatos (TM) brand multiple independently targetable reentry pomegranate," or some other similar fruit with lots of seeds. Don't want to make it too corny though.


heh heh heh. Wait, was that intentional? :)

This issue would benefit from more corn puns, I think. Corny joke, cornucopia, callused feet. What do you reckon?

I loved "lend you an ear", btw.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Thu May 12, 2016 6:21 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
A Humanist Science wrote: Don't want to make it too corny though.


heh heh heh. Wait, was that intentional? :)

This issue would benefit from more corn puns, I think. Corny joke, cornucopia, callused feet. What do you reckon?

I loved "lend you an ear", btw.


I thought the original "corn-y" was too obvious.

More puns might be good, maybe to replace the names. I'm real fond of the names, mind, but they might be too esoteric (?).

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Postby Trotterdam » Fri May 13, 2016 9:54 am

Engineered sterility has purposes other than intellectual property management. It can also serve to keep genetically-modified organisms from escaping into the wild and becoming invasive species. Perhaps some text that acknowledges this - maybe even an option for making sterilization mandatory?

Another option would be to allow companies to sell sterilized organisms if they want, but also allow other companies to reverse-engineer them and sell versions with the ability to reproduce put back in. Such reverse-engineering would be beyond the ability of the average rural farmer, of course, but non-sterile versions of the crop would likely start appearing on the market regardless of the original company's intentions. Nice for countries that don't believe in intellectual property (#085, #340, #500).

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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 13, 2016 12:21 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Engineered sterility has purposes other than intellectual property management. It can also serve to keep genetically-modified organisms from escaping into the wild and becoming invasive species. Perhaps some text that acknowledges this - maybe even an option for making sterilization mandatory?


In RL, i've always suspected that the "protecting native species/eco-systems" justification for V-GURT ("engineered sterility") was just a friendly Earth Day marketing spin on its true purpose: all your market are belong to McSanto.

At any rate, there is a quicker and easier option that stops corporate domination and protects native species - abolish GMOs. Which, in the current draft, is option one. :)


Trotterdam wrote:Another option would be to allow companies to sell sterilized organisms if they want, but also allow other companies to reverse-engineer them and sell versions with the ability to reproduce put back in. Such reverse-engineering would be beyond the ability of the average rural farmer, of course, but non-sterile versions of the crop would likely start appearing on the market regardless of the original company's intentions. Nice for countries that don't believe in intellectual property (#085, #340, #500).


Again, option three covers the "fair use" option pretty well, I think.

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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 13, 2016 12:33 pm

A Humanist Science wrote:In RL, i've always suspected that the "protecting native species/eco-systems" justification for V-GURT ("engineered sterility") was just a friendly Earth Day marketing spin on its true purpose: all your market are belong to McSanto.

At any rate, there is a quicker and easier option that stops corporate domination and protects native species - abolish GMOs. Which, in the current draft, is option one. :)


And having just re-read this, I think I will have Stover Cob mention preventing invasive species as a reason for engineered sterization. And why shouldn't McSanto be trusted to control the market, since they love the Earth so much? :) ( :twisted: )

Cause then subverting the green message with inter-orchard ballistic seed pods is even more fun!

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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 13, 2016 12:59 pm

Bump for new draft, with option three (pro-engineered sterilization) making a pro-environment argument. For the sole purpose of making the option three effect more twisted -- mainly because technically it remains respectful to the pro-environment argument.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri May 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Charmlessness increases in option 1? That's contradictory while environmental beauty increases. It should be decreased, charmlessness.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Fri May 13, 2016 1:19 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Charmlessness increases in option 1? That's contradictory while environmental beauty increases. It should be decreased, charmlessness.


True, but I think the increase in charmlessness was meant to reflect the potential downside of losing beneficial genetically engineered traits. For example, the effect for that option describes a marked decrease in the quality of popping corn; arguably, this would make a trip to the movies significantly less charming. This seems appropriate, since the description of "charmlessness" provided on the stats page does suggest that it has mostly to do with "vacations" and other entertainment-oriented activities.

This is probably a silly way to think of such an effect, but that's kinda the idea. :)
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