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Pristine Tenor
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Why are my teenagers so naughty?

Postby Pristine Tenor » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:13 am

Right now I have a Top 3% trophy for Youth Rebelliousness, even though I have Excellent civil rights and 5% trophies for health, peace, compassion, nicety, inclusivity, health, lifespans, income equality, etc. So what are the kiddies upset about? What kind of factors does Youth Rebelliousness rely on?

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Not enough parental supervision over "monetisation of webcams".
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun May 01, 2016 12:18 am

Pristine Tenor wrote:Right now I have a Top 3% trophy for Youth Rebelliousness, even though I have Excellent civil rights and 5% trophies for health, peace, compassion, nicety, inclusivity, health, lifespans, income equality, etc. So what are the kiddies upset about? What kind of factors does Youth Rebelliousness rely on?

It could be that your high civil rights allow your teens to do things that are traditionally rebellious, especially opposing stricter parents, even though they are technically legal in your nation. Rebellious does not necessarily equate to illegal, at least not IRL.
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Postby Pristine Tenor » Tue May 03, 2016 8:55 am

Actually, the banner I was "awarded" explicitly says that I have a problem with youth crime.

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Postby Logophilia Lyricalia » Fri May 06, 2016 11:12 am

Pristine Tenor wrote:Right now I have a Top 3% trophy for Youth Rebelliousness, even though I have Excellent civil rights and 5% trophies for health, peace, compassion, nicety, inclusivity, health, lifespans, income equality, etc. So what are the kiddies upset about? What kind of factors does Youth Rebelliousness rely on?


I have a vague feeling (and that's all it is - nothing to actually back it) that the game has a bit of a "spare the rod, spoil the child" ideology in the code. Not a whole buttload, maybe, but a little. Those high equality and quality-of-life metrics mean your kids are horrendous brats who don't know how good they have it. As, of course, are mine (well, my main country's, anyway).
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Postby Pristine Tenor » Sat May 07, 2016 12:23 am

You're probably right... too bad there's no ( currently conceivable) way to fix that without having Quality of Life taking a hit

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Postby Paoga » Sat May 07, 2016 12:27 am

That's the way it goes with NationStates, there's no defined way to win; you must put up with/solve problems like real life countries.
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Postby Hymag » Sat May 07, 2016 12:31 am

This nation has a high standards of living, yet no youth rebelliousness. Same goes for my other nation Rekasneg. It's mostly because I became slightly authoritarian (super authoritarian in the case of the latter puppet) towards the populace while still providing welfare and all the stuff. I guess the solution is to go your usual path while being slightly authoritarian along the way? I wasn't authoritarian when it came to answering issues for Ulcer, and it led to some youth rebelliousness.
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Postby Pristine Tenor » Sat May 07, 2016 4:51 am

I wanna keep Corruption down and Civil Rights up though.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat May 07, 2016 9:35 am

Pristine Tenor wrote:Right now I have a Top 3% trophy

:blink:
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Postby Drasnia » Sat May 07, 2016 9:53 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Pristine Tenor wrote:Right now I have a Top 3% trophy

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?!?

I believe he's talking about the 5% trophy with the words "Top 3%" underneath it.
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Postby Pristine Tenor » Sat May 07, 2016 10:05 am

I am!

And who said I was male? :b

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Postby Drasnia » Sat May 07, 2016 10:40 am

Pristine Tenor wrote:I am!

And who said I was male? :b

I just use the general 'he'. Blame my English+German training on that :P
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Postby A Humanist Science » Sat May 07, 2016 8:02 pm

Logophilia Lyricalia wrote:I have a vague feeling (and that's all it is - nothing to actually back it) that the game has a bit of a "spare the rod, spoil the child" ideology in the code. Not a whole buttload, maybe, but a little. Those high equality and quality-of-life metrics mean your kids are horrendous brats who don't know how good they have it. As, of course, are mine (well, my main country's, anyway).


My impression, built upon a number of nations I've have on-and-off since Antiquity, is that, despite it's description, "youth rebelliousness" need not necessarily imply criminal activity or even spoiled brats. I've had more than one nation with little to no crime, extremely low levels of political apathy, extremely high levels of political freedom, and high levels of "youth rebelliousness." I've always interpreted this to mean high levels of anti-authoritarian political activism on the part of young people, presumably in the interests of the legal and peaceful pursuit of young peoples's rights and interests.

Thus, I've always worn the "youth rebelliousness" badge with honor. Couldn't be more proud. :D

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Postby Trotterdam » Sat May 07, 2016 9:04 pm

A Humanist Science wrote:My impression, built upon a number of nations I've have on-and-off since Antiquity, is that, despite it's description, "youth rebelliousness" need not necessarily imply criminal activity or even spoiled brats. I've had more than one nation with little to no crime, extremely low levels of political apathy, extremely high levels of political freedom, and high levels of "youth rebelliousness." I've always interpreted this to mean high levels of anti-authoritarian political activism on the part of young people, presumably in the interests of the legal and peaceful pursuit of young peoples's rights and interests.
I've interpreted the "youth rebelliousness" in my nation as kids playing rambunctiously and causing messes by accident, but without any ill intent. They'll always apologize and try to help fix the damage (keyword being "try", because their "help" often causes more problems than it solves).

Or here's another possibility (turn your back to something broken for a few minutes, and it's liable to get fixed without your permission).

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Postby Ioclen » Sun May 08, 2016 1:52 am

I have my civil rights and political freedoms pretty high, with low rebelliousness. All I did was make kids wear uniforms and have law courses mandatory. That reduced it a ton for me.
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Postby Hymag » Sun May 08, 2016 4:04 am

Pristine Tenor wrote:I wanna keep Corruption down and Civil Rights up though.

Ok... I went my method just with a more liberal stance on the way with Harboryn. Low youth rebelliousness, corruption, and decent civil rights.

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Postby Proticata » Sun May 08, 2016 6:07 am

I Think the youth rebelliousness stats is really bad anomaly stat I have really low crime, but top 11% rating for youth rebelliousness shouldn't my youth rebelliousness be low as well
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Postby Pristine Tenor » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:43 pm

yes

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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:59 pm

Proticata wrote:I Think the youth rebelliousness stats is really bad anomaly stat I have really low crime, but top 11% rating for youth rebelliousness shouldn't my youth rebelliousness be low as well


Rebellion is not the same thing as crime.

For example, you could rebel by not following your school's dress code, but it's not (yet) a crime.
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Postby A Humanist Science » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:25 pm

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:Rebellion is not the same thing as crime.


Actually...

The World Census wrote:
Stark-Dean Displacement Index


World Census observers counted the number of times their car stereo was stolen from outside fast food stores to determine which nations have relatively high levels of youth-related crime.



Emphasis added.

The question is, then, why some nations where "Crime is totally unknown" can still have relatively high levels of youth rebelliousness.

like A Humanist Science for instance.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:17 am

A Humanist Science wrote:My impression, built upon a number of nations I've have on-and-off since Antiquity,


Aha! I knew you seemed to be too good at this to be new to the game!

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:48 am

It's not happening now, but at one point, my civil rights were higher and I eliminated youth crime.
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Postby Dushan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:25 pm

Youth Rebellion is one of the Statistics that changes at a very fast rate.

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Postby A Humanist Science » Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:08 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
A Humanist Science wrote:My impression, built upon a number of nations I've have on-and-off since Antiquity,


Aha! I knew you seemed to be too good at this to be new to the game!

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