[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

[North Isseggggnignigsegigisegggg Islands]

How does keeping circumcision legal lower civil rights? Surely it should increase civil rights? (467.2)

Also, getting rid of airport security (248.4) and keeping organ donation voluntary (026.4) used to increase civil rights by a level each, while now it only increases civil rights by a little bit.

[Drayxaso]

How does 120.2 decrease political freedom? If anything, it should increase it.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

How does keeping circumcision legal lower civil rights? Surely it should increase civil rights? (467.2)

Because there's more than one type of civil right involved.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=can ... /id=743343

Broadly, any option one civil right is prioritised over another is liable to make free countries more authoritarian, and authoritarian countries more free.

Also, getting rid of airport security (248.4) and keeping organ donation voluntary (026.4) used to increase civil rights by a level each, while now it only increases civil rights by a little bit.

Stat effects vary according to the size of your nation and your current position.

Also, we do revisit stats frequently, especially on the oldest issues: mostly because of this thread.

Either of those things could be a cause in the perceived level of change.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

How does 120.2 decrease political freedom? If anything, it should increase it.

Because there's more than one political freedom at play. See link above.

[Aikoland]

I just chose option 1 on issue 37 and it increased my political freedom by 21.5% and my civil rights by 7.8%. I'm a bit confused as to how that works because shouldn't the option to snoop on private internet connections, at the very least, decrease civil rights? [Also not sure how that would increase political freedom but w/e]

[Drasnia]

I just chose option 1 on issue 37 and it increased my political freedom by 21.5% and my civil rights by 7.8%. I'm a bit confused as to how that works because shouldn't the option to snoop on private internet connections, at the very least, decrease civil rights? [Also not sure how that would increase political freedom but w/e]

I'm guessing it's because prior to the choice, you didn't allow private Internet connections. Now you allow them so your rights go up.

[Noahs Second Country]

This feels really extreme.
https://ibb.co/kjitYv
Please correct the stats if this is wrong, or too severe. I chose 61.1

[Phydios]

This feels really extreme.
https://ibb.co/kjitYv
Please correct the stats if this is wrong, or too severe. I chose 61.1

That image is so small that I have great difficulty in reading the text. I suspect others will have the same issue, since I'm using a laptop and went straight to the full-size image.

Nevertheless, I can read it, and I suspect that you are complaining about Income Equality going from 0.32 to 1.41 (a change of 341%). I am not a mod or issue editor, but I will say what I often see them saying; look at the actual numerical change, not just the percentage. The percentage is relative. A change of 1.09 on a scale that currently goes from 0.05 to 100 doesn't seem excessive, but perhaps I am wrong.

[Drasnia]

This feels really extreme.
https://ibb.co/kjitYv
Please correct the stats if this is wrong, or too severe. I chose 61.1

That image is so small that I have great difficulty in reading the text. I suspect others will have the same issue, since I'm using a laptop and went straight to the full-size image.

Nevertheless, I can read it, and I suspect that you are complaining about Income Equality going from 0.32 to 1.41 (a change of 341%). I am not a mod or issue editor, but I will say what I often see them saying; look at the actual numerical change, not just the percentage. The percentage is relative. A change of 1.09 on a scale that currently goes from 0.05 to 100 doesn't seem excessive, but perhaps I am wrong.

Furthermore, the issue choice was a pretty radical one considering the state of your nation. You basically got rid of a bunch of political offices and allowed people to make others serfs. If anything, the effects should be even harsher. You basically did a full 180 with just one issue.

[Leutria]

This feels really extreme.
https://ibb.co/kjitYv
Please correct the stats if this is wrong, or too severe. I chose 61.1

Assuming you are refering to income inequality it is not really that large a change, as large as the % looks. Given how major legalizing serfdom is in my opinion a change from 0.32 -> 1.41 on a scale that goes from 0-100 is hardly anything.

[Noahs Second Country]

That image is so small that I have great difficulty in reading the text. I suspect others will have the same issue, since I'm using a laptop and went straight to the full-size image.

Nevertheless, I can read it, and I suspect that you are complaining about Income Equality going from 0.32 to 1.41 (a change of 341%). I am not a mod or issue editor, but I will say what I often see them saying; look at the actual numerical change, not just the percentage. The percentage is relative. A change of 1.09 on a scale that currently goes from 0.05 to 100 doesn't seem excessive, but perhaps I am wrong.

Furthermore, the issue choice was a pretty radical one considering the state of your nation. You basically got rid of a bunch of political offices and allowed people to make others serfs. If anything, the effects should be even harsher. You basically did a full 180 with just one issue.

Oops... make that two... my average income of the rich just plummeted to 500k
Someone explain plz.

[Phydios]

Furthermore, the issue choice was a pretty radical one considering the state of your nation. You basically got rid of a bunch of political offices and allowed people to make others serfs. If anything, the effects should be even harsher. You basically did a full 180 with just one issue.

Oops... make that two... my average income of the rich just plummeted to 500k
Someone explain plz.

I can't identify the last issue that you answered from its effect line, but "former nobles are being issued new identities in the wake of the end of serfdom" sounds like you abolished feudalism. In other words, the nobles lose their power and influence while the serfs are empowered and have a chance at freedom. That was a huge law change for your nation, resulting in massive changes to rich income, poor income, and income equality. As Drasnia said, you just did a legislative 180. If you want to keep income equality down, stop empowering the poor.

[Noahs Second Country]

Oops... make that two... my average income of the rich just plummeted to 500k
Someone explain plz.

I can't identify the last issue that you answered from its effect line, but "former nobles are being issued new identities in the wake of the end of serfdom" sounds like you abolished feudalism. In other words, the nobles lose their power and influence while the serfs are empowered and have a chance at freedom. That was a huge law change for your nation, resulting in massive changes to rich income, poor income, and income equality. As Drasnia said, you just did a legislative 180. If you want to keep income equality down, stop empowering the poor.

Shit...

[Australian rePublic]

How does 412.2 DECREASE economic output and average income?

[Noahs Second Country]

How does 412.2 DECREASE economic output and average income?

Wrong thread...

[Ransium]

How does 412.2 DECREASE economic output and average income?

How does 634.1 decrease environmental beauty? I mean surely, trains are better for the environment than traffic jams

You should know better. Use the right thread.

Aussie what is it going to take to stop you from posting stats questions to this thread?

[Luna Amore]

Split out posts and moved to appropriate thread. Please post in the correct thread Aussie.

[Xqurxyu]

379.1 decreases Tourism and increases civil rights.

[Noahs Second Country]

How does 412.2 DECREASE economic output and average income?

Wrong thread...

I look like an idiot now...

[Darmen]

Option 134.2 does absolutely nothing. Is it supposed to be that way?

[Luna Amore]

Option 134.2 does absolutely nothing. Is it supposed to be that way?

For you, yes. That won't be the case for every nation.

[Darmen]

Option 134.2 does absolutely nothing. Is it supposed to be that way?

For you, yes. That won't be the case for every nation.

Interesting. Thanks for the answer.

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

Nation: pencil sharpeners 2, issue 34.2 (banning smoking) increased my (already top 10%) recreational drug use by 247%. Shouldn't it have the opposite effect?

[Bedetopia]

Nation: pencil sharpeners 2, issue 34.2 (banning smoking) increased my (already top 10%) recreational drug use by 247%. Shouldn't it have the opposite effect?

Maybe it's only about banning cigarettes, so people would logically find another drug?

[Ransium]

Nation: pencil sharpeners 2, issue 34.2 (banning smoking) increased my (already top 10%) recreational drug use by 247%. Shouldn't it have the opposite effect?

Nice timing. Ironically, we noticed this problem in the code of 34 yesterday. We'll change it soon.