[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

[Candlewhisper Archive]

504.1: written effect: "High school boys are required to pass vigorous self-mastery and sensitivity training to graduate."

Stats: increased civil rights/lowered conservatism. Is this just a follow-on from "increased nudity"? The written effect is about (slightly) putting more restrictions on boys and demanding that they be more appropriate. I get how compassion/niceness/inclusiveness would rise, but this seems to minorly restrict the boys' freedom of expression while not changing girls' preexisting right to wear whatever clothes they want.

(Compare option 4, which is explicitly about defending the status quo/letting girls wear whatever shorts they want. I see how that might increase civil rights.)

Could use some more finesse. I will raise it backstage.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Option 3 (Gender Neutral Bathrooms) resulted in a marginal increase in Social Conservatism, which is certainly unusual.

this has been discussed ad nauseum before. You're taking away people's right to gender separated bathrooms. Social conservatism is simply an inverse of civil rights.

Exactly that. Also worth noting that civil rights coding for that one is non-straightforward, and civil rights could rise or fall depending on your nation's prior state.

[Bears Armed]

This nation, today.
#415 'Heads Will Roll', option 2.
Black Market increases by 4.8% ?!?

Simulation thing. Surprisingly complex, but working as intended.

Can't explain in full, but don't forget that Black Market stat reflects the absolute size of the Black Market, not the proportion of the economy it occupies.

"Hr'rmm..."
*<takes another look at associated list of stat effects>*

Black Market Golden thalers 14,268,480,000,000 → 14,948,910,000,000 4.8%
Wealth Gaps Rich To Poor Income Ratio 8.61 → 8.97 4.2%
Crime Crimes Per Hour 7.55 → 7.76 2.8%
Ideological Radicality Paul-Nader Subjective Decentrality Index 25.60 → 26.28 2.7%
Economic Freedom Rand Index 56.00 → 57.44 2.6%
Weaponization Weapons Per Person 0.54 → 0.55 1.9%
Average Income of Rich Golden thalers 716,793.21 → 729,534.04 1.8%
Rudeness Insults Per Minute 132.53 → 134.61 1.6%
Obesity Obesity Rate 5.67 → 5.75 1.4%
Industry: Beverage Sales Addison-Fukk Productivity Rating 14,400.30 → 14,502.68 0.71%
Civil Rights Martin Luther King, Jr. Units 80.67 → 81.08 0.51%
Recreational Drug Use Pineapple Fondness Rating 55.00 → 55.20 0.36%
Nudity Cheeks Per Square Mile 220.00 → 220.25 0.11%
Freedom From Taxation Hayek Index 427.44 → 427.88 0.10%
Employment Workforce Participation Rate 87.77 → 87.84 0.08%
Intelligence Quips Per Hour 98.47 → 98.53 0.06%

Pacifism Cheeks Turned Per Day 9.81 → 9.79 0.20%
Safety Bubble-Rapp Safety Rating 10.47 → 10.39 0.76%
Weather Meters Of Sunlight 381.00 → 378.00 0.79%
Health Bananas Ingested Per Day 0.44 → 0.43 2.3%
Average Income of Poor Golden thalers 83,284.45 → 81,366.37 2.3%
Social Conservatism Bush-Santorum Dawning Terror Index 20.00 → 19.38 3.1%
Income Equality Marx-Engels Emancipation Scale 11.62 → 11.15 4.0%

So not making crash-helmets compulsory somehow -- despite, presumably, not creating a black market in crash helmets -- increases the size of the overall economy by enough to increase the absolute size of the 'Black Market' sector by nearly 1/20? Presumably it's the increase of 2.6% in Economic Freedom that does this?
Verry complicated, those calculations must be. I still don't see why it had that effect -- and wonder whether the previously mentioned problems with 'Black Market' stats has been patched yet -- but suppose that I'll have to take your word for this...

[Candlewhisper Archive]

but suppose that I'll have to take your word for this...

You will. Much as I respect you as a nation, other people have ruined any desire I have to have any sort of back-and-forth on this thread. Take the initial explanation, or don't. I won't be engaging in conversation on any explanations once given.

Nothing personal.

[Godular]

Hokay, apologies for not having specific stats, but I'm curious about issue 152: A capital idea.

I chose option 3:

3. "Hey, aren't we all being a little extreme about this?" says noted economist, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Surely we could just keep the key industries, such as the electricity and water supplies, under government control and lessen the regulations on the others so they could function more independently? That way, the people can't complain that they are at the mercy of big business, and industries such as retail can function more effectively."

And my employment rate went from 98% to 40-ish %, among other things. I'm sorry I cannot be more specific, it has been several days since the issue and I straight up forgot this thread exists. Is this an intended result?

[Bears Armed]

but suppose that I'll have to take your word for this...

You will. Much as I respect you as a nation, other people have ruined any desire I have to have any sort of back-and-forth on this thread. Take the initial explanation, or don't. I won't be engaging in conversation on any explanations once given.

Nothing personal.

Fair enough.
It's just that [violet] previously admitted that how the 'Black Market' stat is calculated needed a bit of a tweak, and I wondered whether she's got around to it yet...

[Australian rePublic]

Why does 64.1 increase pacism and decrease weaponisation?

[TolerastiaUnlimited]

“You know, I’m really tired of these hippies constantly complaining about the environment,” rants your arch-conservative cousin, Gary Shaft, “They’re the real problem. I say we round up all the tree-huggers and shoot ‘em all. Then business can go on as usual without the eco-nazis protesting every new oil refinery.”

Effect: The state has declared war on the environment and environmentalists by association.

Headlines: Death Penalty Introduced

I have no idea why there is NO decrease of inclusiveness given such extreme circumstances. Probably somebody of the editors should fix it.

[Evilcia]

round up all the tree-huggers and shoot ‘em all

You recently decided to punish environnementalism by death, hence you legalised death penalty. There was no decrease of inclusivement because this issues does not increase discrimination. It does not cause people to discriminate agaisnt environnementalists.

[TolerastiaUnlimited]

If killing environmentalists for their ecofriendly-views IS NOT a discrimination, then I have no idea what "discrimination" means.

[TolerastiaUnlimited]

“Poets—who needs them?!” scoffs Earl Haggard, Chairperson Emeritus of the Troglodyte Coalition. “These long-haired troublemakers should all be lined up against the wall and shot! That would be far more entertaining than reading some dumb poems!”

Effect: Poets and writers are regularly rounded up and shot for entertainment.

Again, if killing poets and writers because they're poets and writers IS NOT a discrimination, then I have NO idea what "discrimination" means.

[Drasnia]

“Poets—who needs them?!” scoffs Earl Haggard, Chairperson Emeritus of the Troglodyte Coalition. “These long-haired troublemakers should all be lined up against the wall and shot! That would be far more entertaining than reading some dumb poems!”

Effect: Poets and writers are regularly rounded up and shot for entertainment.

Again, if killing poets and writers because they're poets and writers IS NOT a discrimination, then I have NO idea what "discrimination" means.

Generally people don't respond to people asking why they didn't get a specific stat change. Inclusiveness may be coded in for most but the decision must not have changed anything in your nation so there was no Stuart change.

It's better to leave this thread for when you get changes when you don't add that is actually verifiable.

[Tinhampton]

no Stuart change.

Did you mean "no stat change", or was that deliberate?

[TolerastiaUnlimited]

Inclusiveness may be coded in for most but the decision must not have changed anything in your nation so there was no Stuart change.

If it's coded in, then why didn't I get it? My nation is far from being so low on inclusiveness that it's impossible to be lower.

when you get changes when you don't add that is actually verifiable

Sorry, what?

[Drasnia]

no Stuart change.

Did you mean "no stat change", or was that deliberate?

Aye, it's stat. I was on mobile

[Tinhampton]

The last option in #625 "Delivering The Goods" (spoken by one of the smugglers) implies that civil rights will be raised, when the effects actually do nothing to it.

[Christian Democrats]

Why did Option 229.2 cause an 11.5% drop in Economic Freedom and a 0.92% drop in Political Freedom?

[Aclion]

I just got issue 497 The Widening Gyre on a puppet. It seem strange that I haven't ever gotten it on this nation, since I can't think of any validitys it would need other the having a capitol.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

The last option in #625 "Delivering The Goods" (spoken by one of the smugglers) implies that civil rights will be raised, when the effects actually do nothing to it.

Looks pretty clear to me that he's talking about economic freedoms.

Some nations will see a civil rights increase though, depending on what you've just legalised.

[North Liberal Republic]

I don't know if this is usual or this happened only to me:
In an issue No. 443 called "Five Years Plans and New Deals", I chose the opinion no. 3 (free market can handle it itself, ofc) and this happened to me:

Economy 78,44 > 53,93
Average Income 130k > 110k
IT Industry 39,5k > 32,8k
Economic Output 138 074B > 116 970 B
Business Subsidisation 190,43 > -11,83
Defense Forces 2237,57 > 1968,29
Economic Freedom 72,67 > 75,44
HDI 62,33 > 54,43

Surprising is, that things related to foodstuffs (Retail, Agriculture etc.) didn't budge at all. I expected that poor will be poorer, and industries will go slightly down. Does this happen usually, or it's only my problem? Because this issue looks like a communist revenge to free market capitalists.

[Really stateless nation]

“This man has done no wrong!” says Ben Spirit, who also happens to be the head writer of The Really stateless nation City Times Magazine. “The people have a right to transparency of government. El Denunciante is a hero who has revolutionized my magazine sale-er-Freedom of Speech for this country. No state action must be committed that would infringe upon our right to disclose government information, regardless of the effects on diplomatic relations. Besides, it isn’t as though you’ve got anything to hide... do you?”

For an unknown reason it decreased my economic freedom from 94 to 90. O_o

[Lawyer suicide]

Cars are banned, but I got "Salespeople Report Rising Demand For Long Black Cars With Tinted Windows" in my newspaper headlines. I got it after receiving issue #385 and choosing option 3. Besides, there was NO raise of Autotaritarism stat in my nation, so I don't get meaning of this headline.

[Arridian Islands]

Option 2 on issue 466 lowered by public transport alot... which makes no sense and annoyed me a bit considering it's so high.

[Arridian Islands]

Cars are banned, but I got "Salespeople Report Rising Demand For Long Black Cars With Tinted Windows" in my newspaper headlines. I got it after receiving issue #385 and choosing option 3. Besides, there was NO raise of Autotaritarism stat in my nation, so I don't get meaning of this headline.

Newspaper headlines are kinda useless and stupid, so just ignore them.

[Drasnia]

Cars are banned, but I got "Salespeople Report Rising Demand For Long Black Cars With Tinted Windows" in my newspaper headlines. I got it after receiving issue #385 and choosing option 3. Besides, there was NO raise of Autotaritarism stat in my nation, so I don't get meaning of this headline.

That doesn't mean they're legal. A person can demand a specific type of car even if cars aren't banned.