[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

[Trotterdam]

Nation Answered On: Thinking Machines
Issue Answered: Issue 254
Option Selected: Option 3

I feel like an increase of 1,000 points is a little ridiculous:
http://i.imgur.com/kkicR4E.png
The increase I am speaking of is the one for the soda industry

1000 industry is really not that much, note that you have others reaching 4000 and 10000.

Your soda industry simply went from not profitable at all to somewhat profitable. Canning all those drinks was just too much effort without slave labor.

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Because the parts of the city that aren't ghettos are looking better, and tourists don't visit the ghettos?

[Maljaratas]

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Repeat After Me: You are happy

[Greater Hunnia]

88:3, outlawed cannibalism.
0.81% decrease in Intelligence? Like, not eating each other makes people more stupid...

[Arridian Islands]

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Repeat After Me: You are happy

Huh? That reply makes no sense. *I am the main account of that country*

[Arridian Islands]

Nation Answered On: Thinking Machines
Issue Answered: Issue 254
Option Selected: Option 3

I feel like an increase of 1,000 points is a little ridiculous:
http://i.imgur.com/kkicR4E.png
The increase I am speaking of is the one for the soda industry

1000 industry is really not that much, note that you have others reaching 4000 and 10000.

Your soda industry simply went from not profitable at all to somewhat profitable. Canning all those drinks was just too much effort without slave labor.

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Because the parts of the city that aren't ghettos are looking better, and tourists don't visit the ghettos?

Lol thanks for the reply rhat makes sense.

[Maljaratas]

Repeat After Me: You are happy

Huh? That reply makes no sense. *I am the main account of that country*

The Poor are forced to be happy, among other things. Therefore, the country at least looks less charmless

[Arridian Islands]

Huh? That reply makes no sense. *I am the main account of that country*

The Poor are forced to be happy, among other things. Therefore, the country at least looks less charmless

Lol I get it now. Sorry, I'm dumb.

[Maljaratas]

The Poor are forced to be happy, among other things. Therefore, the country at least looks less charmless

Lol I get it now. Sorry, I'm dumb.

That's okay, it was more of a joke than a serious answer

[Bears Armed]

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?

Maybeso it's because you've hidden the poor from everybody else's sight?
Or, if this decision also lowered crime rates, as a side-effect of that result?

88:3, outlawed cannibalism.
0.81% decrease in Intelligence? Like, not eating each other makes people more stupid...

"You are what you eat"?
"Brains, braaaains!"?

^_^

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Nation Answered On: Thinking Machines
Issue Answered: Issue 254
Option Selected: Option 3

I feel like an increase of 1,000 points is a little ridiculous:
http://imgur.com/a/cLecc
The increase I am speaking of is the one for the soda industry

Hahah! I can see how that has happened, thanks to the new stat-o-vision we've recently gained. Might be argued to be not so much "working as intended" as "amusing result of starting circumstances plus externalities".

I'll discuss it in the editing room, but this one may not change. Enjoy your new soda industry!

[Candlewhisper Archive]

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Because Charmlessness is a really weird stat. Affected by loads of things. So weird, that its worth disregarding from an issue design POV, in my mind, but inconsequential enough to be put aside for another day.

[Maljaratas]

Nation Answered On: Thinking Machines
Issue Answered: Issue 254
Option Selected: Option 3

I feel like an increase of 1,000 points is a little ridiculous:
http://imgur.com/a/cLecc
The increase I am speaking of is the one for the soda industry

Hahah! I can see how that has happened, thanks to the new stat-o-vision we've recently gained. Might be argued to be not so much "working as intended" as "amusing result of starting circumstances plus externalities".

I'll discuss it in the editing room, but this one may not change. Enjoy your new soda industry!

I don't particualry mind, just seemed a bit excessive (though I do like my 153,000% increase that caused that )

[Saveyou Island]

Issue 273, deciding to increase the education budget made my safety rating go down by around 20 percent IIRC. Doesn't really make much sense.

[Drasnia]

Issue 273, deciding to increase the education budget made my safety rating go down by around 20 percent IIRC. Doesn't really make much sense.

Did taxes increase? If not, the funds probably got appropriated from some other department.

[Trotterdam]

Is #281 option 4 ("electrocution deaths among computer technicians are at an all-time high") supposed to ever reduce Death Rate?

[Subeth]

Issue 242, option 2(Leader has been self-declared as the Most Supreme Magnificent Overlord of Everything You Ever Saw). I was expecting authoritarianism to go up, maybe corruption and law enforcement also. Instead:

• freedom from taxation goes up 68.8%(-145.82 -- -45.49)
• averageness goes up
• nothing happens to authoritarianism
• nothing happens to civil rights or political freedom
• ideological radicality goes down
• scientific advancement goes down
• arms manufacturing goes down 8.3%, but weaponization goes up 7.1%
• defense forces go down 12.7%(12349.17 -- 10778.35)
• law enforcement goes down 14.5%(8792.61 -- 7517.67)
• taxation goes down 14.6%(89.43 -- 76.33)
• government size goes down 22.2%(27.6 -- 21.47)
• black market goes down 31.9%, but crime goes up 9%
• all the average incomes, and economic output, go down 37.8%
• economy goes down 44.6%(87.22 -- 48.3)
• eco-friendliness goes down 58.6%(9187.78 -- 3804.12)
• public healthcare, business subsidization, public transport, welfare, public education, and foreign aid all go down by more than 60%

Instead of the government tightening its grip on the populace, which is what I'd expect from a dictator declaration, it seems I underwent massive budget cuts on everything, creating drastic effects. Also, I was already a dictatorship. I declared myself Supreme Overlord in a few other issues and nothing like this has ever happened. Can someone please explain what was different this time?

[Trotterdam]

#565 option 3 does not raise C-O-M-P-A-S-S-I-O-N.

Not that I agree with that option, but...

Instead of the government tightening its grip on the populace, which is what I'd expect from a dictator declaration, it seems I underwent massive budget cuts on everything, creating drastic effects. Also, I was already a dictatorship. I declared myself Supreme Overlord in a few other issues and nothing like this has ever happened. Can someone please explain what was different this time?

Basically, what your government did wasn't raise spending on military and law enforcement (the "tightening its grip on the populace" that you expected), what it did was cut spending on everything except military and law enforcement, severely lowering taxes.

That military and law enforcement decreased at all can probably be chalked up to your cuts to business subsidization trashing your economy, so that your government is able to make less tax revenue and so spends less even on those things it's still spending on. You'll note that they dropped much less than other government departments.

[Subeth]

Basically, what your government did wasn't raise spending on military and law enforcement (the "tightening its grip on the populace" that you expected), what it did was cut spending on everything except military and law enforcement, severely lowering taxes.

But why? Why should there be a huge spending cut just because I'm the Most Supreme Magnificent Overlord of Everything You Ever Saw now?

That military and law enforcement decreased at all can probably be chalked up to your cuts to business subsidization trashing your economy, so that your government is able to make less tax revenue and so spends less even on those things it's still spending on. You'll note that they dropped much less than other government departments.

Well, that explains the army stuff going down, but I'm still confused on the drastic spending cuts. And why did authoritarianism, civil rights, and political freedom stay the same?

[Trotterdam]

But why? Why should there be a huge spending cut just because I'm the Most Supreme Magnificent Overlord of Everything You Ever Saw now?

2. "Give me that!" interrupts your brother, incorrigible as always. "I've got an idea, bear with me for a moment... a few penstrokes here... a few clauses there... finished. Now you can set yourself up as Supreme Evil Overlord For Life! If you don't have complete control then where's the fun? That's what I say. I've taken the liberty of cutting some of the more boring departments, we only really need the police and military in my opinion. Oh! You get a free space hopper too."

This is not an endorsement of responsible spending.

Well, that explains the army stuff going down, but I'm still confused on the drastic spending cuts. And why did authoritarianism, civil rights, and political freedom stay the same?

Probably because you barely had any of those to begin with.

Your Political Freedom is 7.57 out of 100.

[Subeth]

Oh... I guess I should read the issues more carefully next time.

[[violet]]

On issue 316 I decided to builds walls around the ghettos. Apparently that made charmlessness go down? How does oppressing the poor make a country charmful?
Note: The decisions I make on this country aren't my actual views.

Your nation became more attractive for visitors because you corralled a lot of crime into one place, built a wall around it, and increased Law & Order spending. So it's safer, if you stay outside the walls.

Because Charmlessness is a really weird stat. Affected by loads of things. So weird, that its worth disregarding from an issue design POV, in my mind, but inconsequential enough to be put aside for another day.

What heresy is this?? All the stats are important.

[Wine-loving Chimps]

Picked option 1 of the Big fat wedding issue (felt bad for the niece).

I got literally no good stats for doing so: I got an increase in Black Market (16%!), Corruption (obviously, this one I was expecting something like the 3.6% increase I got), Taxation (another obvious one), Political Apathy and the Death Rate.

The decreases were in Ideological Radically (which is odd because surely state-sponsored weddings are more radical in modern settings?), Lifespan, Integrity, Employment (even though surely a big state-sponsored wedding should be employing a small army of people), safety (why? Are there pick-pockets in this wedding or something?) and Freedom from Taxation (correlating with the increase in taxes).

No happiness increase at the bare minimum? Because at the moment there is every incentive not to pick this option. There are literally no desirable results from picking this option (in the opinion of most people) except possibly that decrease in radicality. If you could please reconsider it, that would be lovely.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

#565 "Popular cartoon characters frequently appear in government-sponsored PSAs reminding students to say no to drugs."

How the bleep does choosing not to restrict, but rather discourage (and support those who choose to stop) result in a 2% drop in civil rights?

[Christian Democrats]

How does Option 555.1, holding open primary elections, decrease Political Freedom? Political Freedom is defined as follows: "These nations allow citizens the greatest amount of freedom to select their own government." Surely, giving every adult citizen the freedom to participate in party nominations contests enhances their freedom to select their own government.

[[violet]]

The decreases were in Ideological Radically (which is odd because surely state-sponsored weddings are more radical in modern settings?), Lifespan, Integrity, Employment (even though surely a big state-sponsored wedding should be employing a small army of people), safety (why? Are there pick-pockets in this wedding or something?)

Just responding to the engine queries: These are all tiny (0.06%-0.86%) changes that are flow-on effects from the other things (less safety coming from more corrupt government officials, for example).