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New Glubbdubdrib
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Postby New Glubbdubdrib » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:22 am

409.2
2. "Duuuuuude, we didn't go far enough," wheezes @@RANDOMNAME@@, creeping into your office from an open window, "It was a great idea to legalize all drugs - and an even greater idea to put chems in the water, so everyone can just chill. Everybody must get stoned, man; it's like that song. Now, it is a shame and an outrage, dear leader, that users of certain socially stigmatized drugs continue to be left out in the cold. It isn't fair that people who like to drink the tap water get it for free, while I have to spend my hard-earned @@CURRENCY@@s importing rare diamondback licking-toads. The government should subsidize all recreational drug use!"


Economic Output up. No effect on Health or Recreational Drug Use. This seems weird.

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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:33 am

Jolteonia wrote:Edit: Oh, ok, I followed the link from the earlier post and apparently that issue exists as #295. But Ive definitely never seen that issue before, which makes me further believe I've never had a compulsory nudity policy.
Random speculation: did you ever receive the military uniform issue and choose to make your soldiers go naked? I don't know how that affects the Nudity stat, but it at least technically means having compulsory nudity (for a small segment of the population, and while on duty).

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[violet]
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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:15 pm

Luna Amore wrote:Every issue affects the residency stat indirectly because time passes in between answering issues.

Hmm, I thought I had fixed that.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:18 pm

Jolteonia wrote:
At some point in the past you must have pushed nudity to be compulsory for either everyone or just woman.

I'm almost positive I have never done that, but I can't say it's impossible, I suppose. I've been doing the "my choice to dangle" option since my nation was founded though, so I don't know...

I'm not sure when it happened, but I can see there was some compulsory nudity in Jolteonia before you answered #008.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:44 pm

Kaisachen wrote:I chose option 2 of Violent Violetists Demand Blood!, and it raised inclusiveness? How?

This issue option directly raises diversity.

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Jolteonia
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Postby Jolteonia » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:38 pm

I'm not sure when it happened, but I can see there was some compulsory nudity in Jolteonia before you answered #008.

I guess I stand corrected. Thank you very much for looking into it.

Random speculation: did you ever receive the military uniform issue and choose to make your soldiers go naked?

Ha. Never seen that one. My military is probably too small to put that in the rotation.

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Phydios
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Postby Phydios » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:28 pm

Why would 64.2 lower weather? Tested on Drahuria.
Why would 110.2 raise taxes? Tested on Chirun.
Why would 214.2 lower corruption? Tested on Chirun.
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Empire of Donner land
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:52 pm

Issue 419 choice 1 lowers Weather by 1.3 Percent? Why?
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Postby The National Republic of Eye Doo » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:02 pm

Issue 196 Option 5

It bans religion, but for some reason increases religiousness by 45% and lowers secularism by 45%. I don't think that's meant to happen, if it is, I would kinda like to see it reverted, as I wouldn't have chose that option if I knew that the outcome was going to be that.

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Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:58 pm

In the issue "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte", for option 3, there were literally no stat changes at all. That strikes me as rather strange.
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Postby Sleep » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:52 pm

Wine-loving Chimps wrote:In the issue "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte", for option 3, there were literally no stat changes at all. That strikes me as rather strange.



The stat that it changes was already beyond it's threshold. There would be no visible change but at least one thing did change. ;)

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Postby [violet] » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:08 pm

The National Republic of Eye Doo wrote:Issue 196 Option 5

It bans religion, but for some reason increases religiousness by 45% and lowers secularism by 45%. I don't think that's meant to happen, if it is, I would kinda like to see it reverted, as I wouldn't have chose that option if I knew that the outcome was going to be that.

That very much looks like a buggy issue to me. I'll raise it with Issue Editors.

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The Greater Bohemian Union
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Postby The Greater Bohemian Union » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:58 pm

#038: @@NAME@@ Looks to the Stars [Sentient Peoples]

Selected: "Don't tell me space colonies wouldn't be cool," says excited fifth-grade teacher @@RANDOMNAME@@, still wearing big Spock ears from his last convention. "Think of how they would galvanize the national population! And there would also be some kind of scientific benefit, probably."

It increased religiousness by 1.3% and decreased secularism by 2.2%. Shouldn't that have been the other way around? Especially in a huge 18.7% boost in scientific advancement.
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Postby [violet] » Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:35 pm

The Greater Bohemian Union wrote:It increased religiousness by 1.3% and decreased secularism by 2.2%. Shouldn't that have been the other way around? Especially in a huge 18.7% boost in scientific advancement.

Scientific progress actually doesn't affect Religiousness. This issue option caused a large, broad-based increase in government size, affecting all departments. Your public spending on Spirituality is nil, but only barely, and since it's closer to being positive than it used to be, it's seen as a rise.

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:27 am

How did #262 option 3 lower Inclusiveness?

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:36 am

Probably just a counterintuitive result, but...

Issue 486: not enough military recruits, all options constitute some way to increase enlistment levels. There's no "pacifist" option with this one. Only gotten this with one nation so far (this one).

Option 2 decreases both Defense Forces and Weaponization. Marginally, but still. Fluke, or intended result of not using nefarious or terrifying tactics?
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Postby Leppikania » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:21 am

Option 85.1: freedom from taxation goes up but taxation not down. (Generic Beauracracy)
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Postby Luna Amore » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:46 am

Leppikania wrote:Option 85.1: freedom from taxation goes up but taxation not down. (Generic Beauracracy)

Freedom From Taxation goes up 0.08% or about .3 on the scale

Little inconsistencies like this probably shouldn't be reported because A) they are so minor as to be nearly irrelevant and B) it's most likely a difference in rounding.
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:06 am

In the paternity leave issue, granting 6 months payed leave to be split between couples, for some bizarre reason, increases income equality by a staggering 1071 %.
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Postby Luna Amore » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:16 am

Coraspia wrote:In the paternity leave issue, granting 6 months payed leave to be split between couples, for some bizarre reason, increases income equality by a staggering 1071 %.

Yup. Your income equality went from 0.91 → 10.66 which is a 1,071% increase
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Postby CoraSpia » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:40 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Coraspia wrote:In the paternity leave issue, granting 6 months payed leave to be split between couples, for some bizarre reason, increases income equality by a staggering 1071 %.

Yup. Your income equality went from 0.91 → 10.66 which is a 1,071% increase

Doesn't that seem slightly excessive?
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Postby Luna Amore » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:57 am

The National Republic of Eye Doo wrote:Issue 196 Option 5

It bans religion, but for some reason increases religiousness by 45% and lowers secularism by 45%. I don't think that's meant to happen, if it is, I would kinda like to see it reverted, as I wouldn't have chose that option if I knew that the outcome was going to be that.

Fixed. Adjusted your stats to match the new effect. I'll check back to make sure the graph updates.
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Postby Phydios » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:36 am

Phydios wrote:Why would 64.2 lower weather? Tested on Drahuria.
Why would 110.2 raise taxes? Tested on Chirun.
Why would 214.2 lower corruption? Tested on Chirun.

36-hour bump.
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Postby Mironus » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:39 pm

Phydios wrote:
Phydios wrote:Why would 64.2 lower weather? Tested on Drahuria.

36-hour bump.

Weather is unpredictable.
From what I've seen, in addition to pollution and such, it is also affected by the mood of your citizens. If you're picking options where people are angry or complaining, the weather tends to get worse.

And if you pick options that make people happy, it tends to make the weather better. Even if said option involves, for instance, shooting poets for entertainment (56.3).
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:43 pm

Issue 320, Criminals To Vote? option 2 has no statistical changes whatsoever. Tested on my puppet, The City-State of Corinth.
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