[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

[Ardrentt]

Issue 124

Manufacturing, for some reason, grew quite substantially (1,200 to 2,250 credits) when I chose the option for artsy funding and freedom and creativity and all that jazz. (Book publishing grew from 7,600 to 9,150); I'm guessing the book publishing didn't go up too much because the nation already supports the arts heavily, but the manufacturing growth still seems odd regardless.

Furniture restoration went up significantly too, though more due to the economy growing I'm presuming (Going from 100 to 600, which seems fitting)

[Shoaldog]

Implementing the 3rd option (anti-speciesism) of issue 502 increased my Trout Fishing. But this option I believe makes the nation stop eating animals at all, so wouldn't such a development tank Trout Fishing? Why would anyone go out and take equal citizens out of their natural habitat — and possibly drive them to death? It can't be for their caviar (see what happens to the dairy industry), it can't be for fish/cetacea racing (see what happens to the gambling industry), it can't be fish farming (see what happens to the agricultural sector) or anything related to eating or exploiting them (at least, in a legal manner — Black Market surely soars, in a parallel effect). I assume that one cannot use the Trout Fishing industry to catch fresh personnel for aquariums or to provide raw material to taxidermists, either. My hypothesis is that now our fish and cetacea citizens obtain fishing permits in order to find food.

[Ransium]

Issue 124

Manufacturing, for some reason, grew quite substantially (1,200 to 2,250 credits) when I chose the option for artsy funding and freedom and creativity and all that jazz. (Book publishing grew from 7,600 to 9,150); I'm guessing the book publishing didn't go up too much because the nation already supports the arts heavily, but the manufacturing growth still seems odd regardless.

Furniture restoration went up significantly too, though more due to the economy growing I'm presuming (Going from 100 to 600, which seems fitting)

The manufacturing growth is complex secondary effects nothing needs changing with that issue as far I'm concerned.

[Ransium]

Implementing the 3rd option (anti-speciesism) of issue 502 increased my Trout Fishing. But this option I believe makes the nation stop eating animals at all, so wouldn't such a development tank Trout Fishing? Why would anyone go out and take equal citizens out of their natural habitat — and possibly drive them to death? It can't be for their caviar (see what happens to the dairy industry), it can't be for fish/cetacea racing (see what happens to the gambling industry), it can't be fish farming (see what happens to the agricultural sector) or anything related to eating or exploiting them (at least, in a legal manner — Black Market surely soars, in a parallel effect). I assume that one cannot use the Trout Fishing industry to catch fresh personnel for aquariums or to provide raw material to taxidermists, either. My hypothesis is that now our fish and cetacea citizens obtain fishing permits in order to find food.

The model doesn't take into account that you national animal is a fish and the increase in trout fishing is a secondary effect for you nation. Anyway your national animal is only one species of fish, I see no reason to think choosing this option turns your nation entirely vegetarian. Maybe the increase in fishing is to sell your to your national animal now that it's people?

[Ransium]

I got Issue 432,picked option 1, and scientific advancement went down from 403.94 to 372.87

Ahh. I thought this was going to be boring secondary effect, and I was even going to say something like enough with complaining about scientific advancement it's always a secondary effect, but this is actually more interesting, which shows why I should never say something like that. Choosing that option ended your making people from vats program which hurt your scientific advancement. I think this could be better telegraphed so I'll raise it back stage.

[Shoaldog]

The model doesn't take into account that you national animal is a fish and the increase in trout fishing is a secondary effect for you nation. Anyway your national animal is only one species of fish, I see no reason to think choosing this option turns your nation entirely vegetarian. Maybe the increase in fishing is to sell your to your national animal now that it's people?

I thought the system could realize my @@ANIMAL@@ is a marine one, for I was given a banner for this.
But you're right, I mis-read the issue and hoped that, by going with anti-speciesism, I'd make my nation stop eating any kind of animals.
Thanks for the response!

[Ransium]

The model doesn't take into account that you national animal is a fish and the increase in trout fishing is a secondary effect for you nation. Anyway your national animal is only one species of fish, I see no reason to think choosing this option turns your nation entirely vegetarian. Maybe the increase in fishing is to sell your to your national animal now that it's people?

I thought the system could realize my @@ANIMAL@@ is a marine one, for I was given a banner for this.
But you're right, I mis-read the issue and hoped that, by going with anti-speciesism, I'd make my nation stop eating any kind of animals.
Thanks for the response!

The system can, but the way we've programmed the stats for this issue doesn't. Regardless, having a marine animal doesn't seem like it's would effect trout fishing overall to me.

[Royal River Collective]

My economic freedom tanked from 95 to -25 after agreeing with the "Producer" free market-ish character option on the issue of including minorities in TV soaps. Since my choice was "Let the market decide" it doesn't make sense that this would hurt my nation's economic liberty. Additionally I had an issue a little while ago where I responded that we should execute more criminals or something like that, and afterward the country's death penalty which I was very proud of being a full 15% of the population was removed entirely. This is very disappointing to me and I was very proud of murdering so many of my citizens.

[Luna Amore]

@Royal River Collective: That happened back in mid-March. Has nothing to do with the issue you just answered. You nationalized your economy on March 18th, with option 4 of issue #369.


And moved to the Megathread for odd issue effects.

[Royal River Collective]

Oh! Strange, that it looked recent. I guess I shouldn't have posted after just waking up. Thank you! Any help on the issue from longer ago with executions?

[Luna Amore]

Oh! Strange, that it looked recent. I guess I shouldn't have posted after just waking up. Thank you! Any help on the issue from longer ago with executions?

Harder to pin point unless it was within the last few days. There's no solid way for us to search past issue choices. The only reason the other change was so easy to find is because it affected economic freedom a lot, so the graph gave me the exact day.

[Venetoland]

When I sent intelligence agents posing as doctors to Tasmania to vaccinate kids, were they actually vaccinating kids?

[Drasnia]

When I sent intelligence agents posing as doctors to Tasmania to vaccinate kids, were they actually vaccinating kids?

Does it matter?

[Candlewhisper Archive]

As Drasnia says, it's pretty much unimportant. As it's not your population, there's no health consequences statistically, so all that really matters is the question as to whether it is acceptable to potentially compromise a vaccination program for the sake of national intelligence.

Fun fact: this issue is rarely dismissed splits the issue-answering population pretty much exactly straight-down the middle, which is a sure sign of a well-crafted issue. For my own part, I don't often edit in 2 option issues, but it felt right here.

[Uan aa Boa]

Yesterday I introduced compulsory vegetarianism with option 3 on Issue 7 and got a 20% reduction in Health. I mentioned this on the RMB because as a real life herbivore it annoyed me a bit, with all the evidence being that vegetarian diets tend to be health promoting. Candlewhisper Archive said I should post here, and now I have done.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Hmm... thanks for doing that. Going to discuss this backstage some, as I find it quite interesting.

[Ransium]

As Drasnia says, it's pretty much unimportant. As it's not your population, there's no health consequences statistically, so all that really matters is the question as to whether it is acceptable to potentially compromise a vaccination program for the sake of national intelligence.

Fun fact: this issue is rarely dismissed splits the issue-answering population pretty much exactly straight-down the middle, which is a sure sign of a well-crafted issue. For my own part, I don't often edit in 2 option issues, but it felt right here.

Yeah, that issue consistently gets the best stats of any issue I've ever written. It also has one of the funnier jokes I've made IMO. It's probably the only 2 option issue I'll ever write, but it undeniably works.

I'm also a vegetarian IRL, and sympathetic to the health argument.

[Venetoland]

I'm vehemently pro-vaxxing so I worried I was compromising kid's health in the name of espionage.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I'm vehemently pro-vaxxing so I worried I was compromising kid's health in the name of espionage.

That's the most interesting place to be for the issue. If you're pro-vaccination but also pro-intelligence gathering, it's a challenging and interesting issue.

[Dezzurak Suxefeg Blonkirv]

With this nation, I just chose option 3, outlawing the insurance industry, of #117: Stop The Suits, Say Surgeons, and my Industry: Insurance didn't decrease.

[Ransium]

With this nation, I just chose option 3, outlawing the insurance industry, of #117: Stop The Suits, Say Surgeons, and my Industry: Insurance didn't decrease.

Your insurance industry is -4.5 in essence already nonexistent. You can't make something already nonexistent more nonexistent by outlawing it. I know this isn't always the logic of issue choices, but things can get weird when your industries are negative sometimes.

[Kesshite]

The Issue:

#092: @@NAME@@ Officials Needled About Mandatory Vaccinations [GDrabble; ed:Reploid Productions]

Health workers are frequently being ignored by people when recommending vaccinations against common illnesses. When these people subsequently become ill they require expensive emergency care. To correct this situation, many health experts are lobbying for mandatory vaccinations.

The selected option:

1. @@RANDOMNAME@@, a pro-vaccination taxpayer, says "If a doctor thinks a vaccination is good for you then you should have it. All these people turning them down are know-it-alls that are wasting my tax money. Or they're really afraid of needles."

Interesting effect: 10% reduction in Recreational Drug use.

I can see people using fewer prescribed drugs because they're sick less often but am not sure how this affects recreational drugs.

[Trotterdam]

Recreational Drug Use tends to change as a side effect of anything that changes Civil Rights, even when the rights added/removed don't relate to drugs in any way.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Makes sense in-fiction anyway. Being forced to see your doctor, for any reason, is going to expose you to a nagging physician (sorry, I mean "health promotion") telling you to stop smoking weed.

[Tasimah]

A few hours ago, I chose the option to promote the arts in issue 124. My IT and Arms Manufacturing industry both had significant reductions to their scores and scientific advancement decreased somewhat. Why did this happen?