[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

by **Bears Armed** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:41 am

Jute wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:'Eco-friendliness' doesn't measure environmental quality, it measures government spending to preserve/fix the environment: Get your policies right to start with, which is more likely with this choice of advisor, and you don't need to spend as much.

I thought it measured how ecologically concerned the government in general is (how much it sees environmentalist policies as important, for example), not how much it spends...

Bears Armed has a very high 'Environmental Beauty' rating but a very low 'Eco-friendliness' one: I enquired about that discrepancy in Technical, several years ago, and [violet] herself gave me the the 'Eco-friendliness actually measures government spending on the matter' explanation.

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Apparently boosting your nation's Culture worsens its 'Weather' rating slightly -- although the extent to which it does so might have been reduced from earlier days -- on the assumption that 'Culture' takes place indoors and that if you want to spend more time indoors then it might be because of bad weather...
A bit "cart before the horse" that, in my opinion...

If that's it, then it's not all that's involved. My weather has improved by over 50 metres recently, and my culture is still high.

Bears Armed manages high ratings in both of these traits too: I seem to remember being told a while back, by somebody with access to the mechanics, that at that point Culture determined 1/6 of the potential Weather rating.

by **Jute** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:49 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Jute wrote:I thought it measured how ecologically concerned the government in general is (how much it sees environmentalist policies as important, for example), not how much it spends...

Bears Armed has a very high 'Environmental Beauty' rating but a very low 'Eco-friendliness' one: I enquired about that discrepancy in Technical, several years ago, and [violet] herself gave me the the 'Eco-friendliness actually measures government spending on the matter' explanation.

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:If that's it, then it's not all that's involved. My weather has improved by over 50 metres recently, and my culture is still high.

Bears Armed manages high ratings in both of these traits too: I seem to remember being told a while back, by somebody with access to the mechanics, that at that point Culture determined 1/6 of the potential Weather rating.

It's also another nation, with intelligent, but "primitive" people, it seems

by **Bears Armed** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:31 am

Jute wrote:It's also another nation, with intelligent, but "primitive" people, it seems

That's "intelligent, highly spiritual, and environmentally aware", if you don't mind.

^_^

(The game mechanic that seem to make increases in spirituality automatically cause decreases in scientific advancement, regardless of what kind of religion a nation's people support, is one of my pet peeves...)

by **British West Zuzunia** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:38 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Jute wrote:It's also another nation, with intelligent, but "primitive" people, it seems

That's "intelligent, highly spiritual, and environmentally aware", if you don't mind.

^_^

(The game mechanic that seem to make increases in spirituality automatically cause decreases in scientific advancement, regardless of what kind of religion a nation's people support, is one of my pet peeves...)

Nah, religions that create Inquisitions to burn anyone with views that they consider blasphemous along with their books cause increases in Scientific Advancement. Dragging heretics out of their beds to burn them at the stake also makes them safer, and has no effect on their civil rights!

Speaking of no effect, I think I've reported this before, but issue #320 "Criminals To Vote?", option 2 (allow criminals to vote), has no effects. I'd think it should increase Political Freedom, maybe Inclusiveness and Crime slightly.

by **Luna Amore** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:54 am

British West Zuzunia wrote:Speaking of no effect, I think I've reported this before, but issue #320 "Criminals To Vote?", option 2 (allow criminals to vote), has no effects. I'd think it should increase Political Freedom, maybe Inclusiveness and Crime slightly.

Depends on the nation.

by **Jute** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:44 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Jute wrote:It's also another nation, with intelligent, but "primitive" people, it seems

That's "intelligent, highly spiritual, and environmentally aware", if you don't mind.

^_^

(The game mechanic that seem to make increases in spirituality automatically cause decreases in scientific advancement, regardless of what kind of religion a nation's people support, is one of my pet peeves...)

Just like Jute

(To be honest I have no idea what caused primitiveness go up so high other than me accidentally selecting "homeschool all children" in one issue once in March 2015. I rebuilt public education, and scientific advancement is nearing the world average again now, too, but primitiveness remained high, somehow.)

by **Trotterdam** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:51 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Apparently boosting your nation's Culture worsens its 'Weather' rating slightly -- although the extent to which it does so might have been reduced from earlier days -- on the assumption that 'Culture' takes place indoors and that if you want to spend more time indoors then it might be because of bad weather...
A bit "cart before the horse" that, in my opinion...

I have observed the converse: sponsoring sports improves weather, because people are spending more time playing outdoors.

by **Atomic Utopia** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:18 pm

I just answered dilemma 548 with option two and despite the relevant chemist promising that he would do the best to "promote innovation and invention, even if it means repealing some silly environmental laws" I saw no increase in scientific advancement.

I believe that this needs fixing.

by **Bears Armed** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:27 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Apparently boosting your nation's Culture worsens its 'Weather' rating slightly -- although the extent to which it does so might have been reduced from earlier days -- on the assumption that 'Culture' takes place indoors and that if you want to spend more time indoors then it might be because of bad weather...
A bit "cart before the horse" that, in my opinion...
I have observed the converse: sponsoring sports improves weather, because people are spending more time playing outdoors.

Sports are included in 'Culture'? Hr'rmm, well we were certainly told that improving other forms of Culture meant worse weather.
Even so, though, doesn't your answer support my "cart before the horse" claim? Shouldn't it really be better weather that causes an increase in sports, rather than an increase in sports that improves the weather?

by **Bears Armed** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:29 am

Atomic Utopia wrote:I just answered dilemma 548 with option two and despite the relevant chemist promising that he would do the best to "promote innovation and invention, even if it means repealing some silly environmental laws" I saw no increase in scientific advancement.

I believe that this needs fixing.

Your rating for Scientific Advancement is already very high, and the higher a trait already is the harder it is to improve further: So, maybeso, you're simply too advanced already for that advisor's plans to make a noticeable difference?

by **Greater Hunnia** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:09 am

When 138:1 made Agriculture drop by 10% and Cheese Exports by 20.5%, Trout Fishing by 154%....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-_sABor77E

I think I will take a break from the game for a while.

by **Ahma** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:09 am

I'm not sure if I missed something here, but option I thought would boost Civil Rights, Public Healthcare and Welfare, either did nothing (Civil Rights) or did lower it (the rest). Also I don't get how this choice harmed Public Education, Public Transport, Defense Forces, multiple Industries/Sectors, etc.

Issue 66: Transsexual Demands Recognition In Chosen Gender

Option 1. ... "The government needs to recognize my true gender as well as cover the surgeries and medicines needed to get me where I am today!"

by **Bears Armed** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:30 am

Ahma wrote:I'm not sure if I missed something here, but option I thought would boost Civil Rights, Public Healthcare and Welfare, either did nothing (Civil Rights) or did lower it (the rest). Also I don't get how this choice harmed Public Education, Public Transport, Defense Forces, multiple Industries/Sectors, etc.

Issue 66: Transsexual Demands Recognition In Chosen Gender

Option 1. ... "The government needs to recognize my true gender as well as cover the surgeries and medicines needed to get me where I am today!"

(Image)

Again, it's probably the case that you already had such a high rating for one of the traits you're asking about (Civil Rights: 'Excessive') that this decision couldn't make a significant difference to that detail.

by **TURTLESHROOM II** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:00 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Mayors Behaving Badly.

This nation, answered 11/4/16.

Option 3 chosen.

Corruption increases by 8%. (1.25 to 1.35).

An anti-corruption lawyer proposing a no tolerance attitude to corruption, and corruption INCREASES?

Is this intentional?

I report the same issue. Mine went up by TWO HUNDRED PERCENT and MY POLITICAL FREEDOMS COLLAPSED. Both of these are absurd: an anti-corruption lawyer calling for elimination of corruption AND calling elections to give the people a real, clean choice? I'm calling BS.

by **Luna Amore** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:40 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Mayors Behaving Badly.

This nation, answered 11/4/16.

Option 3 chosen.

Corruption increases by 8%. (1.25 to 1.35).

An anti-corruption lawyer proposing a no tolerance attitude to corruption, and corruption INCREASES?

Is this intentional?

I report the same issue. Mine went up by TWO HUNDRED PERCENT and MY POLITICAL FREEDOMS COLLAPSED. Both of these are absurd: an anti-corruption lawyer calling for elimination of corruption AND calling elections to give the people a real, clean choice? I'm calling BS.

You aren't writing for a damn tabloid, TS. Stop trying to sensationalize it.
Corruption 9.16 → 29.02 217%
Political Freedom 71.43 → 68.29 4.4% (a drop of 3% is an error margin not a collapse)

There are a lot of different factors going on here and depending on how your nation is set up, it is possible to have a bump to corruption. I've tweaked it a bit to fix that in most cases. The political freedom aspect is working as intended.

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:30 am

Also, please be careful how you quote. You're attributing words to me that belong to other posters.

by **Nanualele** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:10 am

Issue 158: I chose option 1, let them shoot burgulars. Small rise in pacifisim and a 14% drop in weaponisation. I see it's been reported before, so just confirming I suppose.

Pacifism
Cheeks Turned Per Day 5.48 → 5.77 ⇡ 5.3%

Weaponization
Weapons Per Person 38.23 → 32.88 ⇣ 14.0%

by **Greater Hunnia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:15 am

I find it kinda strange that 106:2 (An enormous health awareness programme is underway.) has absolutely no effect on the Health of the nation, even though it significantly raises Public Healthcare.

by **Rikatan** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:40 am

Hi! I usually don't post in this side of the forum so I apologize in advance if I'm doing anything wrong.

Recently I received Issue #548 and chose option 1. I'm looking to prioritize my eco-friendliness stat in my issues, always. The option chosen raised the environmental beauty stat by 1% but lowered eco-friendliness by 1.9% (which is the opposite of what I expected it to do). I was wondering exactly why that is. I'm actually having a major issue discerning between eco-friendliness and environmental beauty in issues, although I do know the difference between them.

Is this change intentional? I'm sure that, with this option, the eco-friendliness stat should rise.

by **British West Zuzunia** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:38 am

Rikatan wrote:Hi! I usually don't post in this side of the forum so I apologize in advance if I'm doing anything wrong.

Recently I received Issue #548 and chose option 1. I'm looking to prioritize my eco-friendliness stat in my issues, always. The option chosen raised the environmental beauty stat by 1% but lowered eco-friendliness by 1.9% (which is the opposite of what I expected it to do). I was wondering exactly why that is. I'm actually having a major issue discerning between eco-friendliness and environmental beauty in issues, although I do know the difference between them.

Is this change intentional? I'm sure that, with this option, the eco-friendliness stat should rise.

Eco-Friendliness measures government spending on environmental programs. Environmental Beauty measures the actual quality of the actual environment. Eco-Friendliness affects Environmental Beauty, but it's only one factor of several.

This nation, for instance, is in the top 0.8% for Environmental Beauty, but only top 68% for Eco-Friendliness, because we achieve our beautiful environment not so much through government programs as through having no heavy industry (or industry at all, to be completely honest) or cars or planes or really much of anything.

But, yes, 548.1 should affect Eco-Friendliness and doesn't, and complaining in this thread won't get it fixed.

by **Rikatan** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:05 pm

British West Zuzunia wrote:Eco-Friendliness measures government spending on environmental programs. Environmental Beauty measures the actual quality of the actual environment. Eco-Friendliness affects Environmental Beauty, but it's only one factor of several.

This nation, for instance, is in the top 0.8% for Environmental Beauty, but only top 68% for Eco-Friendliness, because we achieve our beautiful environment not so much through government programs as through having no heavy industry (or industry at all, to be completely honest) or cars or planes or really much of anything.

But, yes, 548.1 should affect Eco-Friendliness and doesn't, and complaining in this thread won't get it fixed.

Oh, no, I'm not here to complain, only to understand. I'm curious. After all, a 2% fall can be fixed in a day or two max.

Thanks for the help.

by **Maljaratas** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Greater Hunnia wrote:I find it kinda strange that 106:2 (An enormous health awareness programme is underway.) has absolutely no effect on the Health of the nation, even though it significantly raises Public Healthcare.

Looking through my unmodly eyes, I can see that your nation is already quite high (5% in world) for the health ranking.
So;

Bears Armed wrote: the higher a trait already is the harder it is to improve further

would be your answer I believe.

by **Atomic Utopia** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:04 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Atomic Utopia wrote:I just answered dilemma 548 with option two and despite the relevant chemist promising that he would do the best to "promote innovation and invention, even if it means repealing some silly environmental laws" I saw no increase in scientific advancement.

I believe that this needs fixing.

Your rating for Scientific Advancement is already very high, and the higher a trait already is the harder it is to improve further: So, maybeso, you're simply too advanced already for that advisor's plans to make a noticeable difference?

Odd. I guess I will instead choose option 3 next time, but you would think that a hyper advanced nation would still benefit from environmental laws that inhibit science being removed. Though it could be possible that the game looks at my government and considers it completely free of environmental regulations.

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:22 am

Rikatan wrote:Hi! I usually don't post in this side of the forum so I apologize in advance if I'm doing anything wrong.

Recently I received Issue #548 and chose option 1. I'm looking to prioritize my eco-friendliness stat in my issues, always. The option chosen raised the environmental beauty stat by 1% but lowered eco-friendliness by 1.9% (which is the opposite of what I expected it to do). I was wondering exactly why that is. I'm actually having a major issue discerning between eco-friendliness and environmental beauty in issues, although I do know the difference between them.

Is this change intentional? I'm sure that, with this option, the eco-friendliness stat should rise.

Have checked this, and with most nations, eco-friendliness does in fact rise, as the issue is indeed coded to increase your spending on and shift your government's stance towards the environment.

However, looking at the overall picture, I think what you've got here is this...

Economic Output
Zagris 6,557.16 → 6,459.13 1.5%

...combined with an already high proportion of spending of the budget on environment.

I'm speculating that the net result is that the size of the pie that was environment went up by a fixed amount (which represented only a very small relative increase in its overall level of priority, as your prioritisation on it was already high), but the overall pie got smaller. Therefore the actual amount of money spent on the environment reduced, hence your eco-friendliness went down.

I'd call this working as intended - the stronger your economy, the complexity of the simulation means that sometimes economic externalities impact on your environmental plans, which is pleasingly unexpected but entirely appropriate.

by **Candlewhisper Archive** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:26 am

Maljaratas wrote:
Greater Hunnia wrote:I find it kinda strange that 106:2 (An enormous health awareness programme is underway.) has absolutely no effect on the Health of the nation, even though it significantly raises Public Healthcare.

Looking through my unmodly eyes, I can see that your nation is already quite high (5% in world) for the health ranking.
So;
Bears Armed wrote: the higher a trait already is the harder it is to improve further

would be your answer I believe.

Exactly, or to put it another way, Death Rate isn't affected by just Public Healthcare, and Public Healthcare isn't the only stat that this issue effects.

For many nations, the death rate will drop. For you, the small increase in healthcare spending represents a proportionally small effect on healthcare quality because of the sheer size of your already impressive healthcare level, while the other stat effects had a detrimental effect that outweighed that spend.

Got to admit, I find it pretty damn humorous that your nation's citizens eat 16 and a half bananas a day, as this makes them one of the healthiest nations on the planet. As a doctor IRL, I do NOT recommend this approach.

Working as intended.

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