[MEGATHREAD] Unusual Issue Effects Since New Update

[Menta Lee-IL]

Issue 441, You've got a friend in bee. Option 4 chosen, which lead to a catastrophic 5% drop in defense spending. The option states, "Sure, the beekeeping industry would suffer," so i understand a drop in economy and environment, but defense? And an entire 5%?? Most issues that benefit defense raise it by less than 1%. This is extremely frustrating.

[Pterodoria]

Issue 441, You've got a friend in bee. Option 4 chosen, which lead to a catastrophic 5% drop in defense spending. The option states, "Sure, the beekeeping industry would suffer," so i understand a drop in economy and environment, but defense? And an entire 5%?? Most issues that benefit defense raise it by less than 1%. This is extremely frustrating.

It seems that anything government-expenditure based is now directly tied to the economy, which it wasn't before the update (at least I don't think it was). Your economy decreased, so defense, law enforcement, public healthcare etc. all decreased. You have no private sector, which I guess is why the change is so dramatic.

[The Great Economic Free Zone]

#240 Plea Bargains: Tipping The Scales Of Justice?

Picking option 2, which is keeping plea bargaining in place, causes law enforcement to drop by 102%, or a couple hundred points for my nation.

[Conoistre]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

[The Great Economic Free Zone]

#041 Software Giant Stomps On Competition
Picking option #1, getting rid of antitrust legislation, reduced my wealth gaps by 50%. It should really increase them, shouldn't it?

[Pterodoria]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

Probably increased your economic freedom, which will have outweighed any decrease in social freedom. That option is perhaps a little misleading, as it doesn't mention the private sector, however option 3 says eminent domain should only be used for the public sector, implying option 2 involves use for the private sector too, which is probably what increased your economic freedom.

[Eahland]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

Probably increased your economic freedom, which will have outweighed any decrease in social freedom. That option is perhaps a little misleading, as it doesn't mention the private sector, however option 3 says eminent domain should only be used for the public sector, implying option 2 involves use for the private sector too, which is probably what increased your economic freedom.

The government seizing private property is not economic freedom, even if they're seizing from the poor to give to the rich.

[Jersey Republic]

During the issue about companies using loopholes to not pay taxes, I chose the issue where you make them pay the taxes. And my authoritarianism increased by around 20 on the thing after the issue. Was it supposed to happen?

[Trotterdam]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

Freedom is slavery.

During the issue about companies using loopholes to not pay taxes, I chose the issue where you make them pay the taxes. And my authoritarianism increased by around 20 on the thing after the issue. Was it supposed to happen?

Now that makes sense that it would decrease economic freedom, and thus, increase authoritarianism. I don't know if it should be by that much, but I'm not sure how much you're talking about anyway, so it sounds reasonable enough.

[Jersey Republic]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

Freedom is slavery.

During the issue about companies using loopholes to not pay taxes, I chose the issue where you make them pay the taxes. And my authoritarianism increased by around 20 on the thing after the issue. Was it supposed to happen?

Now that makes sense that it would decrease economic freedom, and thus, increase authoritarianism. I don't know if it should be by that much, but I'm not sure how much you're talking about anyway, so it sounds reasonable enough.

Ok, but not like by the graph, but by the little thing at the end of the issue

[Luna Amore]

During the issue about companies using loopholes to not pay taxes, I chose the issue where you make them pay the taxes. And my authoritarianism increased by around 20 on the thing after the issue. Was it supposed to happen?

Looks like it added a pinch of Stalins.
Stalins 0.03 → 0.04 33.3%

[Luna Amore]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

That one definitely looks funny. Let me talk it over with the editors.

[Leppikania]

If it costs money to run an election, why did option 60.6 increase my freedom from taxation?

[The Candy Of Bottles]

21.2

Averageness +0.93%
Compliance +0.23%
Pacifism +0.14%
Tourism +0.13%
Safety -0.10%
Black Market -0.24%
Civil Rights -0.83%
Ideological Radicality -1.2%

Not sure how Safety could go down when Compliance is going up and the Black Market is shrinking...

[Trotterdam]

Safety from the government?

[Willy Beamish]

This (415.2) raises Obesity:
`"Come on, @@LEADER@@. You’re not actually thinking about this, are you?" says @@RANDOMNAME@@, PR rep from the High Point Wyverns, a professional @@ANIMAL@@ball team. "I know it's tough, but without @@ANIMAL@@ball in the schools, who will be the great pro athletes of the future?"`

Probably a side effect from lowered Health. So maybe the option should have some -Obesity to offset that, since encouraging sports doesn't seem like something that should make the citizens fatter.

[Luna Amore]

216.2 - Eminent Domain: Inherent Right Or Daylight Robbery?
Effect: "The government has the power to seize property at will."

Authoritarianism down by 20%...?

That one definitely looks funny. Let me talk it over with the editors.

This one has been corrected.

[The Sinistress]

Issue 330, option 2, for less government regulation of businesses. Results: "One-stop superstores divide and conquer family businesses."

Economic Freedom: down 2.3%, Average Income of Poor: up 2.0%, Average Income of Rich: down 1.5%

Not that I mind the greater income equality, but this is sort of the opposite of what would be expected from that description. Is my nation just that weird, or is this issue bugged?

[Trotterdam]

That one definitely looks funny. Let me talk it over with the editors.

This one has been corrected.

All of the options, or just that one?

Freedoms/authororitarianism moving in the opposite direction from expected has been observed at least in option 1 as well.

[Luna Amore]

This one has been corrected.

All of the options, or just that one?

Freedoms/authororitarianism moving in the opposite direction from expected has been observed at least in option 1 as well.

All of them. It was a fairly extensive rewrite of the stats.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

I just picked 172.3

3. "I reckon you could just ignore these zealots and scrap any government funding we still have going into religion," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, author of the wildly unpopular book 'Face It, There Is No Afterlife'. "I can't believe that modern thinkers like you and me are still tying ourselves down with outmoded and outdated concepts like the 'soul' or 'God'. Just drop all funding and give everyone a bit of a tax break. At least then we can be a bit richer before the long infinite void of oblivion at the end of our small, feeble, insignificant little lives."

This gave me a small tax increase despite explicitly promising a tax break. (I understand we need to read between the lines on these options, but if the effects completely contradict the text it's a bit of a lottery.)
Is this working as intended? If so, can you please explain the reasoning.

[Luna Amore]

I just picked 172.3

3. "I reckon you could just ignore these zealots and scrap any government funding we still have going into religion," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, author of the wildly unpopular book 'Face It, There Is No Afterlife'. "I can't believe that modern thinkers like you and me are still tying ourselves down with outmoded and outdated concepts like the 'soul' or 'God'. Just drop all funding and give everyone a bit of a tax break. At least then we can be a bit richer before the long infinite void of oblivion at the end of our small, feeble, insignificant little lives."

This gave me a small tax increase despite explicitly promising a tax break. (I understand we need to read between the lines on these options, but if the effects completely contradict the text it's a bit of a lottery.)
Is this working as intended? If so, can you please explain the reasoning.

Basically, you already put nothing towards religion, so the major tax benefit isn't there for your nation. The very slight tax bump (9.27 → 9.28 0.11%) for you is due to a domino effect of secondary stats that are more prominent since you don't spend money on religion.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

OK, thanks for the explanation.

[Lioniel]

Issue #479 @@Leader@@, Put on the yellow light.

I choose option 2, and for some reason my trout fishing goes down the most, and i have a slight increase in Black Market stats.

i'm not sure allowing FUBAR to go on its business would affect those two stats.

[Logophilia Lyricalia]

Wow, 210 ("Going Postal") option 2 (ban private competition for the mail) has a vast amount of fallout, and very little of it makes any sense at all.

Eco-Friendliness +19.6% ?
Law Enforcement +19.6%
Authoritarianism +8.9%
Public Transport +5.7% ??
Foreign Aid +5.4% ???
Black Market +4.2%
Average Income of Poor +3.4%
Taxation +3.2%
Employment +2.7%
Average Income +2.2%
Economic Output +2.2% Weird in combination with the across-the-board drop in industries?
Government Size +2.2%
Ideological Radicality +2.2%
Income Equality +2.2%
Average Income of Rich +1.2%
Business Subsidization +0.86%
Welfare +0.78%
Public Education +0.68% ??
Safety +0.56% ??
Public Healthcare +0.54% ??
Compliance +0.40%
Inclusiveness +0.23%
Pacifism +0.22% ???
Defense Forces +0.21% ???? especially in combination with Pacifism up?
Environmental Beauty +0.19% ?
Tourism +0.16% ?
Human Development Index +0.10%
Scientific Advancement +0.09% ?
Primitiveness -0.08% ?
Industry: Beverage Sales -0.12%
Industry: Book Publishing -0.14%
Industry: Retail -0.15%
Industry: Pizza Delivery -0.16%
Industry: Mining -0.16%
Industry: Information Technology -0.19%
Industry: Automobile Manufacturing -0.20%
Industry: Timber Woodchipping -0.21%
Sector: Agriculture -0.23%
Industry: Furniture Restoration -0.24%
Obesity -0.24% ??
Industry: Cheese Exports -0.25%
Industry: Basket Weaving -0.25%
Industry: Insurance -0.25%
Industry: Trout Fishing -0.27%
Freedom From Taxation -0.37%
Industry: Gambling -0.38%
Crime -0.50% ??? especially with Black Market up and a talking point that describes postmen being arrested?
Industry: Arms Manufacturing -1.00%
Wealth Gaps -1.6%
Averageness -2.1%
Economic Freedom -2.3%
Rudeness -3.9% ???
Weaponization -52.3% ?????

Just did 210, Option 3. Option 3 specifically says "it'll need a tax increase to cope with losses to competition..."

Yet my taxes went down. Not a complaint, but the tuning seems a bit off on this one. I also don't understand why law enforcement, government size, and defense forces went down - shouldn't they go up from the increased amount of, like vehicle inspections, customs checking, licensing and regulatory red tape, and all that jazz? No biggie, but it's a little counterintuitive. Thanks!