[SUBMITTED] GMO or No?

[Regnum Dominae]

Title: GMO or No?
Description: Due to recent efforts by the Onsantmo corporation to establish its genetically-modified crops in @@NATION@@, the debate about genetically modified food crops is heating up, and the pro-GM and anti-GM lobbies are at each other's throats.
Validity: All nations

[option] "Don't listen to that Luddite nonsense," says @@RANDOMNAME@@ of Onsantmo Corporation. "All of our GM crops are perfectly safe, and the science is on our side. In fact, I think that we should mandate that farmers grow our GM crops instead of the outdated, technologically backwards alternatives. Just think of the benefits that doing so will bring to our profits... er, I mean to say, the economy and public health."
[effect] farmers are now forced to grow genetically-modified crops.
[stats] sector: beef-based agriculture increases; sector: trout farming increases; environment decreases; economy increases; Business Subsidization increases greatly, government funding of Commerce increases

[option] "Frankenfoods are a crime against nature," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an activist with the Bluepeace organization. "These unnatural monstrosities are contaminating our natural environment with their artificial genes, and allowing genetic modification to continue is a travesty. I demand that the cultivation of genetically modified crops be immediately put to a complete halt in @@NAME@@. Quite frankly, I don't really care what the big so-called research studies say, because all of the scientists are bought and paid for by Onsantmo anyway."
[effect] the practice of genetic modification has been banned in all its forms.
[stats] sector: beef-based agriculture decreases; sector: trout farming increases; environment increases; economy decreases slightly

[option] "To me, the problem isn't about what crops to grow, but about the fact that we're growing crops at all," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a radical environmentalist. "Agriculture, like all other aspects of industrial civilization, is unsustainable. Us humans have been attempting to defy the natural order of things for far too long, and it is time that we get right to the root of the problem. I propose that you end all agriculture in @@NAME@@ and begin the process of restoring humanity to its proper place in the natural order."
[effect] millions of people are starving after agriculture was declared illegal.
[stats] sector: beef-based agriculture set to zero; sector: trout farming set to zero; sector: cheese exports set to zero; pro-market decreases; economy decreases greatly; environment increases greatly, government funding of The Environment increases greatly

[Sp00nlandaquaforcego]

We of Sp00nlandaquaforcego agree with GMO's, for we employ them in our air-force in the special operations department.

[Regnum Dominae]

We of Sp00nlandaquaforcego agree with GMO's, for we employ them in our air-force in the special operations department.

That's not what this subforum is for. This is for the drafting and submission of in-game issues.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

I highly recommend mandatory GMO labeling as an option, given that that is one of the major positions in the real world.

[Sp00nlandaquaforcego]

We of Sp00nlandaquaforcego agree with GMO's, for we employ them in our air-force in the special operations department.

That's not what this subforum is for. This is for the drafting and submission of in-game issues.

Oh, *sniff* O.K. Q _ Q

[Regnum Dominae]

I highly recommend mandatory GMO labeling as an option, given that that is one of the major positions in the real world.

In NS issues all the options are generally supposed to be something pretty unreasonable - there isn't supposed to be any one obvious option. Of course when put against a ban on GMOs, forcing farmers to grow GMOs, and ending agriculture altogether, that's going to seem like the only reasonable options. The idea here is to have no reasonable option - the player has to really think about it and decide which option is the least worst option.

[Saint Kitten]

[stats] sector: beef-based agriculture set to zero; sector: trout farming set to zero; pro-market decreases; economy decreases greatly; environment increases greatly

im not sure why the environment would dramatically increase if the beef agriculture and trout fishing went down. I could just be over thinking this but normally fishing keeps a balance in the fresh water ecosystem. I'm not too sure about the beef though. Again, I could just be thinking about this too much ._.

[Regnum Dominae]

[stats] sector: beef-based agriculture set to zero; sector: trout farming set to zero; pro-market decreases; economy decreases greatly; environment increases greatly

im not sure why the environment would dramatically increase if the beef agriculture and trout fishing went down. I could just be over thinking this but normally fishing keeps a balance in the fresh water ecosystem. I'm not too sure about the beef though. Again, I could just be thinking about this too much ._.

This wouldn't be just those industries going down. This would be a complete end to agriculture.

[Saint Kitten]

im not sure why the environment would dramatically increase if the beef agriculture and trout fishing went down. I could just be over thinking this but normally fishing keeps a balance in the fresh water ecosystem. I'm not too sure about the beef though. Again, I could just be thinking about this too much ._.

This wouldn't be just those industries going down. This would be a complete end to agriculture.

But agriculture improves the environment.

[Regnum Dominae]

This wouldn't be just those industries going down. This would be a complete end to agriculture.

But agriculture improves the environment.

Even if that is true, I think it makes more logical sense if an issue option that says "end all agriculture to save the environment" results in agriculture going way down and environment going up.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Statement No.1: I also recommend that the Sector: Agriculture analysis should be included, for obvious reasons.

Statement No. 2: I highly recommend that Onsantmo not say "Conventional", since that means non-Organic, and I am presuming that there are Organic farmers in the country, since there is a GMO debate. Instead I recommend they use the term "Backwards" instead, since it is obviously biased and because the term "Progress" (an antonym of Backwards) is used in the "Organic Outburst" issue.

[Regnum Dominae]

Statement No.1: I also recommend that the Sector: Agriculture analysis should be included, for obvious reasons.

I don't believe there is an agriculture sector other than the ones already mentioned.

Statement No. 2: I highly recommend that Onsantmo not say "Conventional", since that means non-Organic, and I am presuming that there are Organic farmers in the country, since there is a GMO debate. Instead I recommend they use the term "Backwards" instead, since it is obviously biased and because the term "Progress" (an antonym of Backwards) is used in the "Organic Outburst" issue.

Good idea. Done.

[Regnum Dominae]

Any more suggestions?

[DWAsnia]

I haven't given the issue a very thorough look through so I won't post a comprehensive review yet.

On the third option, the effects shouldn't set it to zero. Put "Decreases sharply" or something like that.

[Regnum Dominae]

I haven't given the issue a very thorough look through so I won't post a comprehensive review yet.

On the third option, the effects shouldn't set it to zero. Put "Decreases sharply" or something like that.

I would imagine that banning agriculture entirely would reduce the agriculture industry to zero.

Or is it just general convention for NS issues to not set sectors to zero? (this is my first issue so there are some things I'm probably still unaware of)

[Regnum Dominae]

I've made a few changes. Any more feedback/suggestions before I submit?

[Panageadom]

I've made a few changes. Any more feedback/suggestions before I submit?

One day is not enough on this forum to get a reasonable level of feedback and tweaking.

[Freemopia]

Add these options:

[option] Many GMOs have bug spray, bleach, and weed-killer, genetically modified into them. These poisons are labeled as poisonous. It is more poisonous than meth and alcohol. If you get a small amount on your skin, it often becomes numb or burns, even worse if you consume it. People who spray poison on crops have to wear haz-mat suits. The healthcare industry and many war veterans, tell people consuming small amounts of poison (like smoke, radiation…) over a long period of time causes health problems later in life. People should have a right to know if there is animal DNA spliced into their vegetables. If GMO was such a great thing, GMO food would proudly label its food as GMO, like how organic food proudly labels its food organic. Require All GMOs be labeled as GMOs, and require all foods that have trace amounts of poison must label the ingredients and risks.
[effect] After GMOs and food with traces of poison were labeled, many people switched to foods not labeled as GMO, resulting in a lower % of the food being GMO.
[stats] Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, intelligence, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness.
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Decreases: heart disease deaths, accident deaths, toxicity, obesity, stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

[option] Allow genetically modified crops to be grown only in government approved and licensed indoor laboratories with strict rules to prevent contamination, under 24-7 monitoring for contamination, and anyone who even slightly lets some of their GMO into the environment, be shut down, heavily fined, and license permanently terminated. And require they label GMO and the ingredients and risks of food with trace amounts of poison.
[effect] It is so expensive it is near impossible to grow GMO legally, less than 1% of the food is GMO.
[stats] Dramatically Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism.
Increases: intelligence, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Dramatically Decreases: toxicity, heart disease deaths, accident deaths, obesity.
Decreases: stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

[option] Allow GMO to be grown outdoors, except it must be kept a certain distance from areas it might contaminate, and be subject to monitoring and inspections. If it contaminates surrounding areas, shut them down and fine them. (GMO pollen can travel quite far via wind, bees, and animals, Wind blocks made of trees should be put up). And require they label GMO and the ingredients and risks of food with trace amounts of poison.
[effect] Some GMO farms are shut down, Some GMO farms switch to organic, and people often choose food not labeled as GMO, the % of food that is GMO decreases.
[stats] Greatly Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism.
Increases: intelligence, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Greatly Decreases: toxicity, heart disease deaths, accident deaths, obesity.
Decreases: stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

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It might take a year before your issue is viewed. They are still only looking at submitted issues from 2012. This is partially because they sometimes have to edit it a lot before they get it to a quality they want, and there are probably many submissions. Some submissions are rejected. Read the light bulbs if you have not.
So before anyone submit’s an issue, should try to get it high quality.

Preferably, all issues should have many options, because otherwise if I read thru an issue, and do not like any of the options I dismiss the issue. I prefer issues where there is an option I like so that I can see the effect and stats the next day to see the results.

Preferably add more stats to your other options too (even if just slight increases or decreases). Look at the stats I put in the additional options, and choose a few out of there to include in your current options. I looked thru stats from my nation (people, economy, analyze…), and chose categories from there. Plus went thru the list of industries and government depts. that is included in the light bulb.

[Freemopia]

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[Republic of Coldwater]

I would suggest adding an option that gets the government out of the way, which doesn't control what farmers farm, but neither does the government regulate GM crops.

[Regnum Dominae]

Add these options:

[option] Many GMOs have bug spray, bleach, and weed-killer, genetically modified into them. These poisons are labeled as poisonous. It is more poisonous than meth and alcohol. If you get a small amount on your skin, it often becomes numb or burns, even worse if you consume it. People who spray poison on crops have to wear haz-mat suits. The healthcare industry and many war veterans, tell people consuming small amounts of poison (like smoke, radiation…) over a long period of time causes health problems later in life. People should have a right to know if there is animal DNA spliced into their vegetables. If GMO was such a great thing, GMO food would proudly label its food as GMO, like how organic food proudly labels its food organic. Require All GMOs be labeled as GMOs, and require all foods that have trace amounts of poison must label the ingredients and risks.
[effect] After GMOs and food with traces of poison were labeled, many people switched to foods not labeled as GMO, resulting in a lower % of the food being GMO.
[stats] Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, intelligence, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness.
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Decreases: heart disease deaths, accident deaths, toxicity, obesity, stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

[option] Allow genetically modified crops to be grown only in government approved and licensed indoor laboratories with strict rules to prevent contamination, under 24-7 monitoring for contamination, and anyone who even slightly lets some of their GMO into the environment, be shut down, heavily fined, and license permanently terminated. And require they label GMO and the ingredients and risks of food with trace amounts of poison.
[effect] It is so expensive it is near impossible to grow GMO legally, less than 1% of the food is GMO.
[stats] Dramatically Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism.
Increases: intelligence, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Dramatically Decreases: toxicity, heart disease deaths, accident deaths, obesity.
Decreases: stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

[option] Allow GMO to be grown outdoors, except it must be kept a certain distance from areas it might contaminate, and be subject to monitoring and inspections. If it contaminates surrounding areas, shut them down and fine them. (GMO pollen can travel quite far via wind, bees, and animals, Wind blocks made of trees should be put up). And require they label GMO and the ingredients and risks of food with trace amounts of poison.
[effect] Some GMO farms are shut down, Some GMO farms switch to organic, and people often choose food not labeled as GMO, the % of food that is GMO decreases.
[stats] Greatly Increases: eco-friendliness, environmental beauty, health, lifespan, law & order department, law enforcement, tourism.
Increases: intelligence, happiness, civil rights, compassion, niceness
Slightly increases: human development index, income equality, safety from crime, freedom from corruption, political freedom.
Greatly Decreases: toxicity, heart disease deaths, accident deaths, obesity.
Decreases: stupidity, insurance industry, Pizza Delivery, Trout Fishing, Beef-based Agriculture, Soda Sales, cheese exports.
Slightly decreases: automobile manufacturing, public transport, wealth gaps, corruption.

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It might take a year before your issue is viewed. They are still only looking at submitted issues from 2012. This is partially because they sometimes have to edit it a lot before they get it to a quality they want, and there are probably many submissions. Some submissions are rejected. Read the light bulbs if you have not.
So before anyone submit’s an issue, should try to get it high quality.

Preferably, all issues should have many options, because otherwise if I read thru an issue, and do not like any of the options I dismiss the issue. I prefer issues where there is an option I like so that I can see the effect and stats the next day to see the results.

Preferably add more stats to your other options too (even if just slight increases or decreases). Look at the stats I put in the additional options, and choose a few out of there to include in your current options. I looked thru stats from my nation (people, economy, analyze…), and chose categories from there. Plus went thru the list of industries and government depts. that is included in the light bulb.

Issue options aren't supposed to be sensible, which is why I included no moderate options.

[Regnum Dominae]

I would suggest adding an option that gets the government out of the way, which doesn't control what farmers farm, but neither does the government regulate GM crops.

Once again, there are supposed to be no sensible options. The whole point of issues is to force the player to choose from a bunch of crazy options.

[Panageadom]

Stuff I skim-read, sorry...

It might take a year before your issue is viewed. They are still only looking at submitted issues from 2012. I believe the end of the current window is actually the beginning of 2013. This is partially because they sometimes have to edit it a lot before they get it to a quality they want, and there are probably many submissions. Some submissions are rejected. Read the light bulbs if you have not.
So before anyone submit’s an issue, should try to get it high quality.

Preferably, all issues should have many options , because otherwise if I read thru an issue, and do not like any of the options I dismiss the issue. I prefer issues where there is an option I like so that I can see the effect and stats the next day to see the results. This is not a view shared by the editors, or a lot of people who answer issues (I think!). The options at hand should neatly summarise the key choices in the debate, without allowing anyone out of a tricky decision.

Preferably add more stats to your other options too (even if just slight increases or decreases). Look at the stats I put in the additional options, and choose a few out of there to include in your current options. I looked thru stats from my nation (people, economy, analyze…), and chose categories from there. Plus went thru the list of industries and government depts. that is included in the light bulb. Writing extensive stats in really quite unimportant. As no-one on front of house really know the mechanism by which issue stats work, editors and techs add the details later: just sketch out in a broad sense what you think might happen.

Also, I know that being British, I must forever defend the use of 'u's in words, but "thru" really is fantastically ugly...

[Freemopia]

I recommend you read the light bulbs, you are supposed to have some moderate options. Many of the issues have some sensible options. “Keep it at least vaguely sensible”

Panageadom

Preferably, all issues should have many options, because otherwise if I read thru an issue, and do not like any of the options I dismiss the issue. I prefer issues where there is an option I like so that I can see the effect and stats the next day to see the results. This is not a view shared by the editors, or a lot of people who answer issues (I think!).

(If you want to put in bad or dumb laws in your nation, and you don’t like it when issues offer options that you agree with, that‘s your choice. Freemopia does not want to be a stupid or authoritarian nation that chooses bad laws. I frequently read people complaining about not having moderate options, not having enough options, and not having options that they like, Most of what I have seen is that people agree with me on this.)

Preferably add more stats to your other options too (even if just slight increases or decreases). Look at the stats I put in the additional options, and choose a few out of there to include in your current options. I looked thru stats from my nation (people, economy, analyze…), and chose categories from there. Plus went thru the list of industries and government depts. that is included in the light bulb.Writing extensive stats in really quite unimportant. As no-one on front of house really know the mechanism by which issue stats work, editors and techs add the details later: just sketch out in a broad sense what you think might happen.

It is more fun when I can see the results of my actions. Issues without stats are not as interesting or as realistic. If you don’t add stats, then maybe stats will not be added in correctly.
You’re probably a GMO farmer or seller that’s why you pick on me.

[Frisbeeteria]

I recommend you read the light bulbs,

So you, with no experience at all in issue writing, are here to lecture Panageadom, who has at least four issues in-game under their name?

you are supposed to have some moderate options.

Not really, no. All of your options need to be "wrong" as well as right.

I frequently read people complaining about not having moderate options, not having enough options, and not having options that they like, Most of what I have seen is that people agree with me on this.

Except the game creator, who specifically chose to make the issues satirical, and the game staff who follow his long term instructions.

If you don’t add stats, then maybe stats will not be added in correctly.

Stats are, and always will be, optional. Your over reliance on plodding, moderate answers and massively overdone stat-wanking is pretty much the antithesis of what we're looking for.

You’re probably a GMO farmer or seller that’s why you pick on me.

No, he's an experienced author, and I'm a Senior Issues Moderator. Both of us have vastly more knowledge about this arcane section of NationStates than you do, so perhaps you should go back to reading the "light bulbs" and stop making massive posts that don't add anything to these suggested issues.