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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:10 am

Phydios wrote:Excellent explanation! I seem to have learned binary logic a little differently, though: I learned that the basic operators were AND, OR, and NOT, because all the other gates could be constructed from them.
NOT isn't a binary operator. It's unary. (I'm using "binary" here to mean "has two parameters", not "pertains to ones and zeroes". You may be thinking of "boolean".) That's why I didn't include it.

It's actually possible to construct every possible logical operation from just NAND or NOR.

NOT x = x NAND x
x AND y = NOT (x NAND y)
x OR y = (NOT x) NAND (NOT y)
x IMPLIES y = x NAND (NOT y)
TRUE = x NAND (x NAND x) (regardless of where you got x from)
FALSE = NOT TRUE

NOT x = x NOR x
x OR y = NOT (x NOR y)
x AND y = (NOT x) NOR (NOT y)
x IMPLIES y = NOT ((NOT x) NOR y)
FALSE = x NOR (x NOR x) (regardless of where you got x from)
TRUE = NOT FALSE

The IMPLIES operator is almost sufficient, but requires you to have FALSE as a defined constant:
NOT x = x IMPLIES FALSE
x OR y = (NOT x) IMPLIES y
x AND y = NOT (x IMPLIES (NOT y))

The DOESN'T IMPLY operator (let's shorten it to NIMP) similarly works if you have TRUE as a defined constant:
NOT x = TRUE NIMP x
x AND y = x NIMP (NOT y)
x OR y = NOT ((NOT x) NIMP y)

AND, OR, and NOT are usually used as the basic operators simply because they're the most intuitively convenient for humans. Well, and because many applications call for them directly rather than for more complicated operators that can be constructed from them.

XOR is also rather convoluted to design from other operators, so it's useful to have it available on its own:
x XOR y = (x OR y) AND (NOT (x AND y))
x XOR y = (x AND NOT y) OR (y AND NOT x)
x XOR y = (x NAND NOT y) NAND (y NAND NOT x)

Phydios wrote:Never heard of the IMPLIES operator before- but it looks like it's just an unfamiliar name for a familiar concept.
Well, you'll see it a lot in mathematical logic, usually written out as an arrow rather than as a word.

It can be counterintutive because, mathematically speaking, something that is never true can imply every other thing, even if there's no logical connection. "pigs can fly IMPLIES the sky is blue" is a correct statement in our world, both because pigs cannot fly and because the sky is indeed blue (either one would be sufficient to make the implication true regardless of what I put in the other half), even though it's not like there's any reason pigs flying would change the sky's color. "x is a unicorn IMPLIES x has two horns" is a correct statement because unicorns do not exist, and so all of the ones that exist indeed have two horns. "this post is totally on-topic for this thread IMPLIES the moon is made of cheese" is a correct statement because... well, you get the point.

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:41 pm

Guven i failed in creating issues, how can I improve, aside from writing?

Also, is an issue based on "Covfefe" allowed?
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Postby Fauxia » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:44 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:Guven i failed in creating issues, how can I improve, aside from writing?

Also, is an issue based on "Covfefe" allowed?
As far as I know, the only way to get better besides writing issues is reading the modern ones over.

Is an issue based on covfefe allowed... almost any topic that is tasteful is allowed as long as it does not already exist and might actually be brought to @@LEADER@@‘s desk. So feel free to [Chancellor Palpatine quote]. Just make it well-written, unbiased, and humorous.
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Postby Jutsa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:35 am

Hey, I have a strange question: Why is it that dumb quotes and apostrophes are the only ones allowed in draft?

And, I'm also confuzzled, because about half the time issues are reported back, they're in dumb quotes, while the other half of the time they're in smart ones.

I'd chalk it up to the style you choose in settings, but that doesn't seem to change anything for me. :?
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:05 pm

Hello folks! I wanted to get your opinion on two gruesome issue ideas (sorry, Halloween mood).

The first issue will be about cannibalism, but unlike previous issues where people could only be allowed to eat dead people, this one will actually suggest killing people specifically in order to eat them. I believe the issue could be valid for extremely belligerent nations teeming with lots of prisoners of war.

Suppose @@NAME@@ has been at war with one of the NPCs for a long time and during this time they have taken many soldiers of this nation as prisoners. They were hoping that these prisoners would give them leverage in diplomatic negotiations with this nation, but this was a miscalculation. It doesn't seem like the war is going to end, and it costs money to feed the prisoners of war. The question is what needs to be done with them. And the options could be:

1) Kill them.
2) Why waste them by killing them? Send them over to a labor camp.
3) Super-crazy option: (if cannibalism is allowed) send them to a farm and feed them so they will grow fat, then sell them as meat.
4) Super-naive option: be humane and release them as a sign of goodwill...maybe the NPC in question will acknowledge this kind gesture and be amenable to peace negotiations? War is costly for anyone anyway...

The second issue will be at least loosely based on The Handmaid's Tale. I thought such an issue could be valid for nations with high toxicity/charmlessness levels, where birth rates could be assumed to have declined due to pollution and the sterility it caused. Then people talk about what needs to be done to increase the birth rates.

1) Encourage people to have more kids, by offering them money in the form of government benefits, etc.
2) Ban contraception.
3) (The Handmaid's Tale Option): The real problem is infertility, not that the people are unwilling to have kids. So let us pick some fertile women and assign them to men as concubines to bear children for them. (I believe this issue could also be valid for nations with slavery, so this person could suggest using female slaves for reproductive purposes. But then the pool of nations that are eligible for this issue would significantly shrink. In that case it may be better to give up on the "charmlessness" requirement and think about another reason for the rising sterility rates.)
4) Status quo + futuristic option: Why do we want to increase the birth rates at all? Humans are very inefficient beings. It takes time and money to feed and educate them, and then not all of them contribute to the society...Wouldn't it be better if we had "more developed" beings as citizens who would unconditionally serve us, without requiring much maintenance work? You see where I am going with this, this person will suggest replacing humans with robots. Do we need more doctors? Why not have robot doctors? Do we need more teachers? Why not have robot teachers?

And so on.

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Postby Shwe Tu Colony » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:18 pm

They could certainly work.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Jutsa wrote:Hey, I have a strange question: Why is it that dumb quotes and apostrophes are the only ones allowed in draft?
Consistency.

Jutsa wrote:And, I'm also confuzzled, because about half the time issues are reported back, they're in dumb quotes, while the other half of the time they're in smart ones.
The game internally stores issues with ASCII quotes, but since a relatively recent update, the version displayed to players is parsed to automatically (and sometimes incorrectly) transform them into curly quotes.

I hate these, so I always make a point of fixing them back when I report the issue. Most other people don't bother.

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:The second issue will be at least loosely based on The Handmaid's Tale. I thought such an issue could be valid for nations with high toxicity/charmlessness levels, where birth rates could be assumed to have declined due to pollution and the sterility it caused.
I think Health would be the more reasonable stat for this.

Toxicity is not pollution, and never has been.

Honestly, though, is such drastically-falling fertility a real problem anywhere, ever?

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:3) (The Handmaid's Tale Option): The real problem is infertility, not that the people are unwilling to have kids. So let us pick some fertile women and assign them to men as concubines to bear children for them.
I never saw how this is supposed to solve anything. If you want the aristocratic elite to produce more heirs, sure. If you care about the reproduction rate of the population in general, then you just need the women to have sex, doesn't matter too much with who. Let them stay with their husbands.

And men can also be infertile, so if anything, you would be testing men on fertility and then encouraging multiple women to mate with the fertile ones. Not throwing more and more women at the men who have already failed to produce children.

Or if you can't reliably test that, encourage promiscuity for both genders so at least some fertile-fertile pairings will happen rather than fertile individuals of either gender being wasted on infertile spouses. Watch out for STDs though.

Also, don't forget that artificial insemination is a thing, so we're long past the point of needing to force people to have sex to make them breed. (Granted, artificial insemination is still pretty invasive if you didn't consent to it.)

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Postby Drasnia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:19 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Honestly, though, is such drastically-falling fertility a real problem anywhere, ever?

It's a problem in Japan, and looks like it will be a problem in more and more developed countries in the future. A combination of social and not social factors contribute to falling birth rates. Part of it (and by far the largest part) is people wanting fewer children later in their lives because it's harder and harder to live at all comfortably while young and without a high-paying job. But there are other factors, like how the continued use of laptops actually kills and/or slows the growth of sperm in adult males. I think the idea has a certain amount of merit.
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Jutsa
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Postby Jutsa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:25 pm

That being said, if it's true that we're nearing the population cap(and I hear some claim we're basically at it now), it might not be too terrible
- unless, of course, your overall population's beginning to actually decline, which certainly can happen - especially with emigration.

That could be an option, rather - close the borders to keep your citizens in. :P
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:53 pm

Drasnia wrote:Part of it (and by far the largest part) is people wanting fewer children later in their lives
That would be a no, then.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:15 pm

There are countries with mythological national animals (Scotlamd has the Unicorn, Greece has the Pheonix) Are there issues regarding these?
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Postby Drasnia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:13 pm

Australian Republic wrote:There are countries with mythological national animals (Scotlamd has the Unicorn, Greece has the Pheonix) Are there issues regarding these?

#556 comes to mind.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:14 pm

Drasnia wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:There are countries with mythological national animals (Scotlamd has the Unicorn, Greece has the Pheonix) Are there issues regarding these?

#556 comes to mind.

I suppose!
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:16 am

Would it be possible to have an issue designed for nations that rapidly change between having state-run and private/mixed economies?
I think it'd be a great issue, though I'm kind of suspecting that it's not something that'd be able to be tracked... :unsure:
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:48 am

Jutsa wrote:Would it be possible to have an issue designed for nations that rapidly change between having state-run and private/mixed economies?
I think it'd be a great issue, though I'm kind of suspecting that it's not something that'd be able to be tracked... :unsure:

This is a nice idea :)) Do the editors have the chance to consider the entire issue history of a nation for assigning them issues? If so, maybe they could make the issue valid for nations that have made (say) at least 3 switches between capitalism - communism.

What would the issue be about, though? You cannot really have an option that says "we now switch to capitalism/communism once and for all, no more changes!"

Other than that, as a nation who has (often unwittingly) changed between the two economic systems many times before, I'd like to receive an issue that makes fun of that.
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Postby Ransium » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:52 am

I think with a good enough issue we could probably rig up something.

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:22 am

Well, someone let me know if they want to have a go at it. If noone has a remote hint of interest for, like, another day or so, I'll gladly write about it, myself. :3

(atm I'm trying to slay the beast that is my dino/dragon draft)

Oh - er, also, do we have an issue about defecting (either from your nation or to your nation from another that wants them back)?
I suspect not because I've looked for the word "defect" and all I found was "defective" like not working properly. :P
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:28 pm

Are there any issues regarding the naming controversy of the Washington Red Skins? (The NFL team)
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:38 pm

There isn’t, but please don’t mention them right now. I’m a ‘Skins fan rn, and I’m currently drowning in tears over the latest loss :(
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:17 pm

Fauxia wrote:There isn’t, but please don’t mention them right now. I’m a ‘Skins fan rn, and I’m currently drowning in tears over the latest loss :(

I'm a Dallas Cowboys sympathiser (not a supporter) I don't mind mentioning them RN
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:34 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Fauxia wrote:There isn’t, but please don’t mention them right now. I’m a ‘Skins fan rn, and I’m currently drowning in tears over the latest loss :(

I'm a Dallas Cowboys sympathiser (not a supporter) I don't mind mentioning them RN
But they won. Why would you care?
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Postby Luna Amore » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Fauxia wrote:There isn’t, but please don’t mention them right now. I’m a ‘Skins fan rn, and I’m currently drowning in tears over the latest loss :(

Must not have been a fan for very long. :p

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Postby Ransium » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:52 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Fauxia wrote:There isn’t, but please don’t mention them right now. I’m a ‘Skins fan rn, and I’m currently drowning in tears over the latest loss :(

Must not have been a fan for very long. :p


Ha! I've been a fan basically my entire life. It's been a long ride.

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Postby Fauxia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:42 pm

Ransium wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Must not have been a fan for very long. :p


Ha! I've been a fan basically my entire life. It's been a long ride.
Lol. Ikr.

@Luna I cry every week it seems (no, I don’t actually). I only haven’t been a fan for a very long time in the sense that I’m younger than most players on NS
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Postby Drasnia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:59 pm

Personally, I'd love to see an annual Thanksgiving game between the Redskins and the Cowboys. The winner takes the loser's stadium.
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