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by Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:32 pm
by Luna Amore » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:38 pm
by Australian rePublic » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:08 am
Luna Amore wrote:There's the germ of a good idea there, but it's poorly executed. The 'dilemma' isn't fleshed out (the easiest way to ramp it up would be to include a camera) and the options are a bit paint-by-numbers caricature. The dilemma needs focusing and then the rest will follow I think.
No matter what, it's going to need a new thread. I wouldn't post it until you have a complete draft.
by Jutsa » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:07 am
by Trotterdam » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:28 am
"Questioning" is such a case could also mean someone disagreeing with a point of doctrine based on a different interpretation of the holy texts, rather than actually not believing in the religion itself.Jutsa wrote:Well, just that, really, about a state so religious that someone who even questioned the faith got arrested and it's up to you to see it's gone too far or if it's exactly what should be enforced.
It does come close to 70 and 172, but this is more about so much as questioning anything within faith that's already more-or-less mandatory, rather than making
people follow a faith or attend church. Still, I don't know if that's really different enough to warrant its own issue.
by Jutsa » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:45 am
by Trotterdam » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:52 am
Since I posted this, #665 has come to do something similar, but most of its options are different and it's more about what politicians should be doing about religion rather than common people.Trotterdam wrote:So as I pointed out in Technical, a lot of issues tend to assume @@FAITH@@ has certain stereotypical religious doctrines (often using it as the token anti-science or anti-gay option), rather than really allowing you to customize your religion in a meaningful way. (While, say, you can decide stuff over how @@LEADER@@ maintains power.)
It would be nice to have an issue that just comes out and outright asks you what your religion is really about. It could be framed as multiple denominations/subgroups/local priests of @@FAITH@@ within your nation arguing about the true meaning of their religion, and asking the government to make an official statement on what is the most important measure of a proper follower of @@FAITH@@.
Options could be:
1. having true faith in your deity, believing with all your heart rather than just going through the motions (raises happiness)
2. correctly following the prescribed rituals, regardless of whether you understand their purpose (raises social conservatism?)
3. contemplating the spiritual nature of the universe to gain enlightenment (raises intelligence)
4. treating your fellow human beings in a manner according with the morals prescribed in the holy text (raises compassion)
There are real-life religions that favor each of these (and the larger ones incorporate all or most in their various denominations).
A fifth option would be refusing to pick any side and encouraging all citizens to figure out what their religion means to them.
by Fauxia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:04 pm
Can you look at my draft Trott? (not on this topic)Trotterdam wrote:I might point you at a previous suggestion of mine:Since I posted this, #665 has come to do something similar, but most of its options are different and it's more about what politicians should be doing about religion rather than common people.Trotterdam wrote:So as I pointed out in Technical, a lot of issues tend to assume @@FAITH@@ has certain stereotypical religious doctrines (often using it as the token anti-science or anti-gay option), rather than really allowing you to customize your religion in a meaningful way. (While, say, you can decide stuff over how @@LEADER@@ maintains power.)
It would be nice to have an issue that just comes out and outright asks you what your religion is really about. It could be framed as multiple denominations/subgroups/local priests of @@FAITH@@ within your nation arguing about the true meaning of their religion, and asking the government to make an official statement on what is the most important measure of a proper follower of @@FAITH@@.
Options could be:
1. having true faith in your deity, believing with all your heart rather than just going through the motions (raises happiness)
2. correctly following the prescribed rituals, regardless of whether you understand their purpose (raises social conservatism?)
3. contemplating the spiritual nature of the universe to gain enlightenment (raises intelligence)
4. treating your fellow human beings in a manner according with the morals prescribed in the holy text (raises compassion)
There are real-life religions that favor each of these (and the larger ones incorporate all or most in their various denominations).
A fifth option would be refusing to pick any side and encouraging all citizens to figure out what their religion means to them.
by Australian rePublic » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:37 pm
by Fauxia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:36 pm
Hmm, I'll help you here if something comes to mind.Australian Republic wrote:I have an idea for an issue, but need help. Families split by a civil. What I'm think of here is something like families who were split by the Berlin War, or the Korean War, or what not
by Trotterdam » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:59 pm
by Fauxia » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:29 am
We already have the one issue where the one-man secessionist country is formed, and there might be more than just that.Trotterdam wrote:Perhaps a followup to one of those issues about people wanting to secede from your nation?
Seems unlikely the issue'd come up otherwise, except as a neutral party called in to mediate between NPC nations, which isn't much fun.
by Trotterdam » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:17 pm
You could have a situation about, say, a father declaring his household to be independent, and his daughter (in the same house) being upset that she's now living in a different country from her boyfriend and has to go through all sorts of annoying customs every time she goes to visit him (and it's probably even worse when he comes to visit her...). That would be an amusing way to parody the "split families" thing in the context of micronations.Fauxia wrote:We already have the one issue where the one-man secessionist country is formed, and there might be more than just that.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:23 pm
Trotterdam wrote:You could have a situation about, say, a father declaring his household to be independent, and his daughter (in the same house) being upset that she's now living in a different country from her boyfriend and has to go through all sorts of annoying customs every time she goes to visit him (and it's probably even worse when he comes to visit her...). That would be an amusing way to parody the "split families" thing in the context of micronations.Fauxia wrote:We already have the one issue where the one-man secessionist country is formed, and there might be more than just that.
Of course, if individual nations are allowed to secede, it's not unreasonable that you might have larger secessionist blocs too. (Perhaps they stick together by, ironically, forbidding their members from seceding. Hey, the United States seceded from Britain but was then rather upset when the Confederate States tried to re-secede...) Note that normal secession is already in canon, for example #067 1.
by Australian rePublic » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:28 pm
by Luna Amore » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:06 pm
Australian Republic wrote:NOW that Ransium has the shits with me, how do I know that he Won't intentionally & maliciously delete my issues?
by Australian rePublic » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:41 am
Luna Amore wrote:Australian Republic wrote:NOW that Ransium has the shits with me, how do I know that he Won't intentionally & maliciously delete my issues?
The simplest answer is because he won't. We extensively vet players before they become IEs. In some ways it's more strenuous than Forum Mod vetting because you get direct access to the code.
This is on top of the fact that we have over a dozen IEs, Mods, and Admins with access to the CP. A good deal of whom keep tabs on the intake. Someone would notice if an IE was deliberately canning a single player's drafts regardless of quality. We watch GI. We watch the incoming queue. If there's a draft an editor is waiting on from a GI thread, you can bet they'd raise an eyebrow if it was submitted but nowhere to be found. There's methods and logs in place for accountability. But the most crucial piece is what I said before, we don't hand out IE jackets lightly. Accusations of that level of misconduct shouldn't be thrown around lightly so please don't without serious evidence.
by Fauxia » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:45 am
Or maybe you are all conspiring against AussieLuna Amore wrote:Australian Republic wrote:NOW that Ransium has the shits with me, how do I know that he Won't intentionally & maliciously delete my issues?
The simplest answer is because he won't. We extensively vet players before they become IEs. In some ways it's more strenuous than Forum Mod vetting because you get direct access to the code.
This is on top of the fact that we have over a dozen IEs, Mods, and Admins with access to the CP. A good deal of whom keep tabs on the intake. Someone would notice if an IE was deliberately canning a single player's drafts regardless of quality. We watch GI. We watch the incoming queue. If there's a draft an editor is waiting on from a GI thread, you can bet they'd raise an eyebrow if it was submitted but nowhere to be found. There's methods and logs in place for accountability. But the most crucial piece is what I said before, we don't hand out IE jackets lightly. Accusations of that level of misconduct shouldn't be thrown around lightly so please don't without serious evidence.
by Drasnia » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:52 am
Fauxia wrote:Or maybe you are all conspiring against AussieLuna Amore wrote:The simplest answer is because he won't. We extensively vet players before they become IEs. In some ways it's more strenuous than Forum Mod vetting because you get direct access to the code.
This is on top of the fact that we have over a dozen IEs, Mods, and Admins with access to the CP. A good deal of whom keep tabs on the intake. Someone would notice if an IE was deliberately canning a single player's drafts regardless of quality. We watch GI. We watch the incoming queue. If there's a draft an editor is waiting on from a GI thread, you can bet they'd raise an eyebrow if it was submitted but nowhere to be found. There's methods and logs in place for accountability. But the most crucial piece is what I said before, we don't hand out IE jackets lightly. Accusations of that level of misconduct shouldn't be thrown around lightly so please don't without serious evidence.
by Fauxia » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:42 am
We know you're in on it Drasnia!
by Trotterdam » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:20 am
by Drasnia » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:43 am
Helaw wrote:Personally, I still vehemently believe in the Editing team's secret agenda for the oppression of the word 'bobble'.
by Frieden-und Freudenland » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:03 am
by Tinhampton » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:31 am
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Hey, has there been an issue about the Black Friday shopping frenzy (or it's NS version, which I might call Frenzied Friday or something).
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