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Frieden-und Freudenland
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:12 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Also, something about native Americans and Aboriginals being forcibly taken away from their parents. Slightly different angle.


But that WAS a systematic attempt to assimilate them, wasn't it? Did the government claim the kids were being neglected/abused, etc.?
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:12 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:You get the opposite situation, too, where the authorities insist that (for the sake of multiculturalism?) children can only be adopted by their own kind of people...


Oh, I didn't know about that...In which countries does this happen?

The UK.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:23 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
Oh, I didn't know about that...In which countries does this happen?

The UK.


I see. :blink:

As I said, starting with this premise would assume too much. But it might be one of the options in the issue.

Thank you!
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:45 am

Really interesting stuff, adoption, lots of politics and issues around it.

Forced adoption in Ireland is worth reading up too: https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ear-period
Essentially, unmarried mums were pressured into giving up their babies, who were then taken into care.

I also think it'd be interesting to look into the rights of foster parents who want to formally adopt a child in their care. IRL, I'm always filled with admiration for the foster parents who can raise a child for two to four years, then hand that child back to the biological mother (who is now deemed fit to raise a child), setting aside the emotional attachments they have gained, and putting that child back into an environment where the natural mum is almost certainly going to be a less stable and competent parent than they were.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:59 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Really interesting stuff, adoption, lots of politics and issues around it.

Forced adoption in Ireland is worth reading up too: https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ear-period
Essentially, unmarried mums were pressured into giving up their babies, who were then taken into care.

I also think it'd be interesting to look into the rights of foster parents who want to formally adopt a child in their care. IRL, I'm always filled with admiration for the foster parents who can raise a child for two to four years, then hand that child back to the biological mother (who is now deemed fit to raise a child), setting aside the emotional attachments they have gained, and putting that child back into an environment where the natural mum is almost certainly going to be a less stable and competent parent than they were.


Oh, thanks for that...Reading the article depressed me, though. I'll agree with Brecht here, what makes a tragedy a tragedy is that it is unnecessary, not that it is unavoidable. :( Though I stoutly defend that children raised in unstable homes should be adopted (by the intervention of the state, if the parents are both abusive & unwilling to give their kids for adoption) but I feel extremely sorry about parents who are forcibly separated from their kids like these British, Irish & Australian women...

Yes, this is a very interesting topic, but it is different from the issue I envision. I intend to deal with cross-cultural adoptions here, but your idea can more properly be used in an issue about teenage pregnancy, perhaps, CWA.

Foster parents are a different matter. I also have great respect for them. For this issue, though, maybe foster parents can become the "crazy option."

So my preliminary idea is this: someone can perhaps suggest that children spend some time with different foster parents who are interested in ultimately adopting the child they foster, and then the biological parents can "choose" among the foster parents - and the chosen family gets to adopt the child?

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Of course I can change the premise, and make the issue about "cross-cultural fostering" and not about "cross-cultural adoption". Maybe that would be even more complex. Because if you adopt a child, you kind of "seal the deal," so maybe the biological parents cannot convince the authorities to take the kid back. Fostering is different, because it is by definition meant to be temporary.

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What do you think, people? Would this issue look better with foster parents instead of adoptive parents?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:44 am

Sorry, when I was blathering about fostering, I meant in a separate issue, not in this one. Likewise with the Irish thing, Just chatting around the topic, not specifically suggesting things for your idea.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:05 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Sorry, when I was blathering about fostering, I meant in a separate issue, not in this one. Likewise with the Irish thing, Just chatting around the topic, not specifically suggesting things for your idea.


Oh, OK, cool.

I'll get back to the forum with a draft in a few days :)

Thanks everybody!
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:21 am

It won't be easy, but if someonecan write a good issue draft about getting cats down from trees (should the fire department do it or not seems like the best route) preferable with an option that suggests @@leader@@ help, I would definitely be inclined to pick it up for editing.

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:09 am

Ransium wrote:It won't be easy, but if someonecan write a good issue draft about getting cats down from trees (should the fire department do it or not seems like the best route) preferable with an option that suggests @@leader@@ help, I would definitely be inclined to pick it up for editing.

Could I include a speaker hoping that Superbear will do it? Or, at least, one of the speakers pointing out that people can't just expect some 'SuperBear' to swoop down out of the skies and help them?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:02 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Ransium wrote:It won't be easy, but if someonecan write a good issue draft about getting cats down from trees (should the fire department do it or not seems like the best route) preferable with an option that suggests @@leader@@ help, I would definitely be inclined to pick it up for editing.

Could I include a speaker hoping that Superbear will do it? Or, at least, one of the speakers pointing out that people can't just expect some 'SuperBear' to swoop down out of the skies and help them?

^_^


Super@@animal@@?
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:46 am

That's pretty funny. Especially if the character is actually just crazy.

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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:15 pm

Ransium wrote:It won't be easy, but if someonecan write a good issue draft about getting cats down from trees (should the fire department do it or not seems like the best route) preferable with an option that suggests @@leader@@ help, I would definitely be inclined to pick it up for editing.
Make sure to include for an option for "cats can get down from trees just fine on their own, they just like it up there".

(One advice I've read for getting cats down from trees: get another cat. The first cat will get jealous of the attention and come join you.)

I guess the real point of the issue would likely be the fire department getting annoyed with frivolous calls when they're supposed to be an emergency service.

Bears Armed wrote:Could I include a speaker hoping that Superbear will do it? Or, at least, one of the speakers pointing out that people can't just expect some 'SuperBear' to swoop down out of the skies and help them?
The presence of a bear in the area is usually a pretty good incentive for cats (and humans) to stay in a tree.

Then again, sometimes it's the cat chasing the bear into a tree.

Maybe superbears are different?

The Blaatschapen wrote:Super@@animal@@?
Isn't @@ANIMAL@@@@MAN@@ more traditional for superhero names?

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Postby Ransium » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:23 pm

I mostly just want to get an issue to match 756-2:

@@LEADER@@ can often be found attempting to coax random citizens' cats down from trees


But this actually sounds like it could be a good issue. It'd probably make a great #911 but that's not for a while...

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Postby Drasnia » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:49 pm

Ransium wrote:I mostly just want to get an issue to match 756-2:

@@LEADER@@ can often be found attempting to coax random citizens' cats down from trees


But this actually sounds like it could be a good issue. It'd probably make a great #911 but that's not for a while...

Who says it can't be added now and let the issue base catch up to the number in the next 9-12 months?
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Postby Libertypendence Park » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:54 pm

Ransium wrote:Hey! You never answered my TG about your issue I edited, where you ultimately happy with how it turned out?


I remember being a little perturbed about something when it first came up, but I've forgotten it, and apparently it wasn't a serious enough complain for me to voice it. I'm happy. ^v^
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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:57 pm

I'm thinking about creating an issue about the persecution of people with albinism. IRL, albino people are attacked or killed for their body parts due to their supposed health benefits and magical properties.

[desc] Albino people are being attacked and killed for their supposedly magical body parts.
[validity]very superstitious nations

[option]Protect albino people, give them bodyguards

[option]Get to the root cause, educate the masses

[option]The government should carry out the ritual killing of albino people for the benefit of the nation

However, this issue might be too similar to #536, Every Witch Way Spells Disaster. Is this issue idea too similar to #536?
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:15 am

The Marsupial Illuminati wrote:I'm thinking about creating a issue about the persecution of people with albinism. IRL, albino people are attacked or killed for their body parts due to their supposed health benefits and magical properties.

[desc] Albino people are being attacked and killed for their supposedly magical body parts.
[validity]very superstitious nations

[option]Protect albino people, give them bodyguards

[option]Get to the root cause, educate the masses

[option]The government should carry out the ritual killing of albino people for the benefit of the nation

However, this issue might be too similar to #536, Every Witch Way Spells Disaster. Is this issue idea too similar to #536?

I like the idea, and I don't think it's too similar. However, I'd adjust the premise a bit (something less morbid). Make the issue valid for all nations, and make it about discrimination against people with albinism. Possible options:

  • Make albinos a protected class, provide free eye care, and fund health research;
  • Libertarian option -- I sympathize, but this is none of the government's business;
  • Violetist option -- albinism is a sign of divine _________ (favor, wrath?).
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Postby Gnejs » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:26 am

Agreed with CD, sounds like a better approach. And I really like the idea if Violetists actually favoring something. Could make for an amusing option, and the effect line could be some joke on whitewashing.

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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:05 am

Gnejs wrote:And I really like the idea if Violetists actually favoring something.
But surely they should be favoring things that are purple, not white?

Unfortunately, that's not a valid human skin, hair, or eye color, even with rare genetic conditions.

Then again, maybe it is in NationStates. We have other made-up diseases...

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Postby The Marsupial Illuminati » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:07 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Gnejs wrote:And I really like the idea if Violetists actually favoring something.
But surely they should be favoring things that are purple, not white?

Unfortunately, that's not a valid human skin, hair, or eye color, even with rare genetic conditions.

I've been doing a bit of research for this issue and I found that people with albinism can sometimes have eyes that appear purple.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:08 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Gnejs wrote:And I really like the idea if Violetists actually favoring something.
But surely they should be favoring things that are purple, not white?

Unfortunately, that's not a valid human skin, hair, or eye color, even with rare genetic conditions.

Then again, maybe it is in NationStates. We have other made-up diseases...

Well, in the 'Paranoia' RPG, people with "Ultra-Violet" security clearance, which is the highest level, wear white clothing...
(... with black clothing for 'Infra-red' clearance, which is the lowest; and red through to violet, in rainbow order, for the seven intervening levels).
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:50 am

Well, realistically both infrared and ultraviolet would appear black to human eyes, since they're outside our visual range. But ultraviolet is the higher-energy photon, so I guess the reasoning is that it should look bright.

Yes, I realize that questioning the perfect wisdom of Friend Computer's decisions is treason.

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Postby Gnejs » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:35 am

Trotterdam wrote:But surely they should be favoring things that are purple, not white?

Just a question of creative writing. "Legend tells that their ancestors were digested in the bowels of the great one herself, leaving them with the bleached blessing of those truly devoted blah blah.."

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:38 am

Sorry that I haven't been very active in the forum lately, but I hosted a large event at my house and went on a weekend roadtrip. I return tomorrow (Sunday) afternoon/evening/night so hopefully I will have more time on Monday when things hopefully return to normal, and I am not so busy

Don't worry, I will also try to eventually comment on all your issues. I go out of my way to try to comment on every single draft, and I hope that I am successful

Also, during my trip, I travelled to a quiet country town where the lady who owned a shop said that people from the big city like to live there because the houses are cheap and it's only an hour drive from the city, where they like to work and even shop, neglecting the local shops. Also, there is no transport to the big city, leaving the only alternative to owning a car to being a taxi, which costs an arm and a leg (not the fault of the council), and here is the part of that's the fault of the council, there have been proposals to create infrastructure to provide jobs such as factories, but the council ran them through so much red tape, the company who wanted to construct it there thought "f**k it, let's build elsewhere" which inspired me to come up with the issue "Crappy Councils" about a council in a similar situation. It would have to be near a bid city, but NOT the largest city, as the largest city in the nation would have infrastrucutre such as rail lines coming in and out. Pissed off residents are coming to you to prevent the council from doing this

So the title would be "Crappy Councils"
And the options would be
1. Override their rights in these situations
2. Amalgimate the councils
3. Shut down the country town
4. Dismiss the councilers




Also, is "Crappy Councils" an acceptable title? And what should I name the moderately sized city which has a link to the town?
What do you think?
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Postby Ransium » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:57 am

Trotterdam wrote:Well, realistically both infrared and ultraviolet would appear black to human eyes, since they're outside our visual range. But ultraviolet is the higher-energy photon, so I guess the reasoning is that it should look bright.

Yes, I realize that questioning the perfect wisdom of Friend Computer's decisions is treason.


Those colors look like nothing. If I shined an infared laser in your eye you'd see... the laser pointer. Unless it was powerful enough, then you'd go blind! That's why most lidar based devices are generally around 1040 nm wavelength. That and plant leaves are very reflective at that wavelength.

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