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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:21 pm

Kentalia wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I was thinking of writing an issue about farmed fish and its impacts, regulations, competition vs. wild-caught fish, etc.

In what such context?

The questionable safety standards of farmed fish. For example, Chile farms their salmon using open-net techniques, and they frequently use antibiotics.
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Postby Ransium » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:25 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:I was thinking of writing an issue about farmed fish and its impacts, regulations, competition vs. wild-caught fish, etc.


It might be possible to write an fresh issue on this topic, but be heavily aware of #591.

I also submitted something on fishing permits almost two months ago: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=395818

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Postby Kentalia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:33 pm

Ransium wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I was thinking of writing an issue about farmed fish and its impacts, regulations, competition vs. wild-caught fish, etc.


It might be possible to write an fresh issue on this topic, but be heavily aware of #591.

I also submitted something on fishing permits almost two months ago: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=395818

Just had a brief look, be careful of #599 as well. Let's be honest, you can't come up with an issue without it even slightly edging into another issue.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:41 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:I was thinking of writing an issue about farmed fish and its impacts, regulations, competition vs. wild-caught fish, etc.


It might be possible to write an fresh issue on this topic, but be heavily aware of #591.

I also submitted something on fishing permits almost two months ago: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=395818

591 covers salmon, particularly sea lice infestations. There's none that covers antibiotic usage, unless if you count 563, but that's only with chicken.
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Postby Ransium » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:04 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Ransium wrote:
It might be possible to write an fresh issue on this topic, but be heavily aware of #591.

I also submitted something on fishing permits almost two months ago: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=395818

591 covers salmon, particularly sea lice infestations. There's none that covers antibiotic usage, unless if you count 563, but that's only with chicken.


Absolutely, just wanted to give you a heads up about it if you didn't know.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:42 pm

Ransium wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:591 covers salmon, particularly sea lice infestations. There's none that covers antibiotic usage, unless if you count 563, but that's only with chicken.


Absolutely, just wanted to give you a heads up about it if you didn't know.

Thank you. I wasn't aware of 591 but I do know about 563 because my puppet wrote that issue. Anyway, I'd say I'm good at making permissible issues that have similar premises to other issues. Whether I'll pursue my idea is a bigger question, though (RL stuff, etc.).
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Postby Socio Polor » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:34 pm

How do you guys feel about a issue discussing about a school bus crash with some injured kids.
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Postby Kentalia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:55 am

Socio Polor wrote:How do you guys feel about a issue discussing about a school bus crash with some injured kids.

I'd be careful with that, some might take offense due to events such as that in the happening recently.

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:20 am

What happened to all that hype about Issue #666 (and the many proposals featuring ID cards and what-have-you) in the summer?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:59 am

Tinhampton wrote:What happened to all that hype about Issue #666 (and the many proposals featuring ID cards and what-have-you) in the summer?


Well, we're not an issue 666 yet, obviously!
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Postby Socio Polor » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:47 am

Kentalia wrote:
Socio Polor wrote:How do you guys feel about a issue discussing about a school bus crash with some injured kids.

I'd be careful with that, some might take offense due to events such as that in the happening recently.

This idea is indeed inspired from a school bus that crashed recently, and about the offensive material, issues tend to have material that some people may find offensive so it's ok to talk about sensitive topics as long as it's not over the edge with it.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:34 pm

I figure that if the crash only resulted in injuries rather than deaths, that already takes a lot of the bite out of it.

However, what are you planning to do with such an issue that makes it distinct from any other traffic accident? We already have several issues about traffic safety, so creative solutions are more valuable than creative premises.

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Postby Socio Polor » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:38 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I figure that if the crash only resulted in injuries rather than deaths, that already takes a lot of the bite out of it.

However, what are you planning to do with such an issue that makes it distinct from any other traffic accident? We already have several issues about traffic safety, so creative solutions are more valuable than creative premises.

There are over 600 issues currently in the game. So no shocker to me that creativity is of the essence here. I'm currently have 2 issue ideas I'm planning on how to write
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Postby Kentalia » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:19 am

Socio Polor wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:I figure that if the crash only resulted in injuries rather than deaths, that already takes a lot of the bite out of it.

However, what are you planning to do with such an issue that makes it distinct from any other traffic accident? We already have several issues about traffic safety, so creative solutions are more valuable than creative premises.

There are over 600 issues currently in the game. So no shocker to me that creativity is of the essence here. I'm currently have 2 issue ideas I'm planning on how to write

What about something about a maniac bus driver? Or something else of the sort, such as no one knows who the bus driver was, so you could possibly incorporate the typical, suspects give their reasons, you select the suspect sort of layout?

I'm currently quite uninspired, anyone have any ideas for issues? I can't bear to watch another minute of BBC News to be inspired.
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Postby Drayxaso » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:45 pm

As I was working on shortening a draft of mine, I noticed that issues with more options typically exclude the part where the person explains the negative consequences of their actions. Is this generally a good idea?
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Postby Ransium » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:38 pm

Drayxaso wrote:As I was working on shortening a draft of mine, I noticed that issues with more options typically exclude the part where the person explains the negative consequences of their actions. Is this generally a good idea?


Of course there's no objective answer to this (unless it comes from an editor, I suppose), so I will give you my strong subjective opinion. Although often used in earlier issues, sometimes necessary, and certainly an easy trope to use (that I don't claim to not have fallen into in the past), I think having the speaker argue against their own opinion is generally best avoided. Slightly better is to have the speaker dismiss or explain why potential downsides aren't really a big deal. But the best writing is when each speaker clearly articulates their opinion and the reader deduces from the speakers biases and others arguments the downsides of each argument.

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Postby Maljaratas » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:46 pm

Ransium wrote:
Drayxaso wrote:As I was working on shortening a draft of mine, I noticed that issues with more options typically exclude the part where the person explains the negative consequences of their actions. Is this generally a good idea?


Of course there's no objective answer to this (unless it comes from an editor, I suppose), so I will give you my strong subjective opinion. Although often used in earlier issues, sometimes necessary, and certainly an easy trope to use (that I don't claim to not have fallen into in the past), I think having the speaker argue against their own opinion is generally best avoided. Slightly better is to have the speaker dismiss or explain why potential downsides aren't really a big deal. But the best writing is when each speaker clearly articulates their opinion and the reader deduces from the speakers biases and others arguments the downsides of each argument.

Another suggestion that I would have for this format would be for each speaker to point out some flaw in the previous speakers argument, providing that pointing out a flaw is necessary (crazy options, massive bias).
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Postby Drasnia » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:22 pm

Drayxaso wrote:As I was working on shortening a draft of mine, I noticed that issues with more options typically exclude the part where the person explains the negative consequences of their actions. Is this generally a good idea?

Most issues have a certain "length" to them - a kind of feel of how long an issue can be without being so long it bores the reader. There's no hard or fast rule, but I've always found 350-400 words total to be a good length. When I wrote Hobby Lobby which has 7 options, I kept it about that length. Many issues of these types (sometimes called list issues) are less about "weighty" decisions. They're usually about things like who to select as an adviser (an easy and straightforward way to change your nation's direction) or in the case of Hobby Lobby, @@LEADER@@'s personality.

Indeed, a good way to write downsides is to not say them but rather voice them through character descriptions or actions - a guard with blood on his billy club, a speaker who is subtly but most definitely insane or misled, etc. That's a hard thing to do consistently and so many (including myself, admittedly) write speakers who list the downside.

There are a few tricks that you can use, however. For example, instead of having a speaker say "We need x because safety, but it's going to cost a lot of money." have them say "We need a lot of funding for this project that will ensure the safety of the populace." Both mention the massive amount of funding needed for this but the latter feels more organic and less self-defeating.
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Postby Ransium » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:40 pm

Drasnia wrote:For example, instead of having a speaker say "We need x because safety, but it's going to cost a lot of money." have them say "We need a lot of funding for this project that will ensure the safety of the populace." Both mention the massive amount of funding needed for this but the latter feels more organic and less self-defeating.


That's a great point, probably one of the most under-discussed keys to good writing is careful structuring of individual sentences.

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Postby Socio Polor » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:37 pm

I'm thinking of writing an issue discussing the topic of military discounts when they purchase stuff. Basically people getting discounts that are enlisted in the Armed Forces
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Postby Techoligia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:33 am

I was thinking like an issue that either gave more power to Trade unions or you could ban them, I dunno.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:44 pm

I could also write an issue about nutrition guidelines and how the sugar industry bribed scientists. Mislabeling of fish could also be an intriguing topic, too.
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In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Ransium » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:50 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:I could also write an issue about nutrition guidelines and how the sugar industry bribed scientists. Mislabeling of fish could also be an intriguing topic, too.


Both of those seem like promising premises!

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:55 pm

Ransium wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I could also write an issue about nutrition guidelines and how the sugar industry bribed scientists. Mislabeling of fish could also be an intriguing topic, too.


Both of those seem like promising premises!

I already got my sugar draft done. The fish one could wait.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Glorious Terran Empire » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:38 pm

So has identity theft ever been explored as a topic in an issue?
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