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Postby Socio Polor » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:56 pm

Ransium wrote:
Socio polor wrote:I'm thinking about writing an issue about kids playing hookie, are there any already existing issues that cover this topic


I'm afraid so: #160. A carefully constructed follow up to one of those choices might work.

What about educational/school budget cuts from the government. This idea is inspired from the budget cuts the city of Boston is doing to its school district
(I live in Boston just in case anyone is wondering)
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Postby Ransium » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:53 pm

Socio polor wrote:
Ransium wrote:What about educational/school budget cuts from the government. This idea is inspired from the budget cuts the city of Boston is doing to its school district
(I live in Boston just in case anyone is wondering)


A few quick thoughts on potentially relevant issues for primary school budgets (I omitted college related budget issues):
#24
#40
#64 (4 bans public schools)
#113
#135
#273
#412
#519

Several issues I didn't include have less focused throw away lines on cutting/raising education budgets. I also didn't include several issues that were about education but not focused on the entire education budget generically.
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Postby Socio Polor » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:08 pm

Ransium wrote:
Socio polor wrote:


A few quick thoughts on potentially relevant issues for primary school budgets (I omitted college related budget issues):
#24
#40
#64 (4 bans public schools)
#113
#135
#273
#412
#519

Several issues I didn't include have less focused throw away lines on cutting/raising education budgets. I also didn't include several issues that were about education but not focused on the entire education budget generically.

Well damn, hope my issue doesn't overlap one of these issues. Thanks Ransium
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Postby Ransium » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:10 am

I'm considering writing a discussion post on ways to adding humor to your issues with a mind to making a final dispatch I can link to when giving my feedback. I see a lot of moderately good first time issue drafts that are utterly boring thanks to being devoid of humor. I'm reluctant to do so only because it seems a tad arrogant (like I know everything about humor there is to know) and it would take me, I think, at least as long as developing a decent issue draft would. So do you guys think constructing such a discussion post would be a valuable exercise? Is there something existing on this I don't know about?

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Postby Socio Polor » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:34 pm

Ransium wrote:I'm considering writing a discussion post on ways to adding humor to your issues with a mind to making a final dispatch I can link to when giving my feedback. I see a lot of moderately good first time issue drafts that are utterly boring thanks to being devoid of humor. I'm reluctant to do so only because it seems a tad arrogant (like I know everything about humor there is to know) and it would take me, I think, at least as long as developing a decent issue draft would. So do you guys think constructing such a discussion post would be a valuable exercise? Is there something existing on this I don't know about?

That's not have a half bad idea and I think that'll be rather helpful to players, especially those new to writing issues. The only problem I see with this is that every person has different taste when it comes to humor (what I find funny, you might find utterly corny), you know where I'm getting at. So I agree with that idea, I just think humor is one of those opiniated things.
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Postby Drasnia » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:28 pm

Socio polor wrote:
Ransium wrote:I'm considering writing a discussion post on ways to adding humor to your issues with a mind to making a final dispatch I can link to when giving my feedback. I see a lot of moderately good first time issue drafts that are utterly boring thanks to being devoid of humor. I'm reluctant to do so only because it seems a tad arrogant (like I know everything about humor there is to know) and it would take me, I think, at least as long as developing a decent issue draft would. So do you guys think constructing such a discussion post would be a valuable exercise? Is there something existing on this I don't know about?

That's not have a half bad idea and I think that'll be rather helpful to players, especially those new to writing issues. The only problem I see with this is that every person has different taste when it comes to humor (what I find funny, you might find utterly corny), you know where I'm getting at. So I agree with that idea, I just think humor is one of those opiniated things.

Perhaps instead of a guide, have a discussion similar to things CWA was doing earlier.
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Postby Ransium » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:35 pm

Drasnia wrote:Perhaps instead of a guide, have a discussion similar to things CWA was doing earlier.

Yes, seeing those discussions is what gave me the idea, that's what I meant to say I was trying to do.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:14 am

Announcement:

Advanced view on issue submissions is confirmed as being squiffy, resulting in messed up formatting on the other side on a correctly submitted form.

I've flagged this with technical, but until further notice please stick to the basic form.
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Postby Drasnia » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:17 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Announcement:

Advanced view on issue submissions is confirmed as being squiffy, resulting in messed up formatting on the other side on a correctly submitted form.

I've flagged this with technical, but until further notice please stick to the basic form.

This is quite odd considering that we have used advanced view since the beginning of time. I'll be interested in hearing why the change in submissions affected that and not the basic form.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:25 am

Drasnia wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Announcement:

Advanced view on issue submissions is confirmed as being squiffy, resulting in messed up formatting on the other side on a correctly submitted form.

I've flagged this with technical, but until further notice please stick to the basic form.

This is quite odd considering that we have used advanced view since the beginning of time. I'll be interested in hearing why the change in submissions affected that and not the basic form.


Not a clue, but its definitely since the advanced view came in. My suspicion is that the advanced view isn't coded identically to the old system. In fact, I've more or less pinned down the three errors that are causing the problem, but I don't have access to code to fix this. Hopefully should be sorted soon, I'll let GI know when it is.
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Postby Ransium » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:15 am

Thanks for looking into this CWA. I've submitted a bunch of stuff via advanced view in the past month, is there any chance any of it was deleted because it looked like gobbledygook and not because it actually was gobbledygook? Or should I go back to sleep?

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:37 am

Ransium wrote:Thanks for looking into this CWA. I've submitted a bunch of stuff via advanced view in the past month, is there any chance any of it was deleted because it looked like gobbledygook and not because it actually was gobbledygook? Or should I go back to sleep?


No, no chance at all. Every submission is read fully, and the content is judged not the formatting.

And honestly, your stuff is so damn good that by the time we've seen your name on it, that's 90% of the evidence we need that it's a workable premise.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:18 am

The CP shows two views, the cleaned up view and the raw input view. Right now, only the raw input for advanced form is working properly, so we can still see what you have submitted.
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Postby Ransium » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:49 am

Thanks for your answers! Sorry to be such a worrier :oops:

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:20 pm

I'm thinking about an issue about a premise for an sustainable utopia that serves a model for future communities, but the location of it will be built on an endangered animal habitat. It's an environmentalist issue that has two sides: whether to reduce carbon emissions and provide clean energy, or whether to protect and preserve endangered habitats, but one that has both sides clash with each other.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Ransium » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:02 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:I'm thinking about an issue about a premise for an sustainable utopia that serves a model for future communities, but the location of it will be built on an endangered animal habitat. It's an environmentalist issue that has two sides: whether to reduce carbon emissions and provide clean energy, or whether to protect and preserve endangered habitats, but one that has both sides clash with each other.


I've had a half baked idea to do a somewhat similar issue. My plan was to base the issue of this:

http://www.hcn.org/wotr/the-tortoise-is ... ave-desert

I think the interplay between two different types of environmentalist could be really interesting. I look forward to seeing your draft.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:07 pm

Ransium wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I'm thinking about an issue about a premise for an sustainable utopia that serves a model for future communities, but the location of it will be built on an endangered animal habitat. It's an environmentalist issue that has two sides: whether to reduce carbon emissions and provide clean energy, or whether to protect and preserve endangered habitats, but one that has both sides clash with each other.


I've had a half baked idea to do a somewhat similar issue. My plan was to base the issue of this:

http://www.hcn.org/wotr/the-tortoise-is ... ave-desert

I think the interplay between two different types of environmentalist could be really interesting. I look forward to seeing your draft.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/25/solar-powered-town-babcock-ranch-environmentalist-panther
This is where I got my inspiration from, with a solar-town in the vicinity of wetland habitat, but any clash within the environmentalist community should be interesting regardless.
In solidarity with Ukraine, I will be censoring the letters Z and V from my signature. This is -ery much so a big change, but it should be a -ery positi-e one. -olodymyr -elensky and A-o- continue to fight for Ukraine while the Russians are still trying to e-entually make their way to Kharki-, -apori-h-hia, and Kry-yi Rih, but that will take time as they are concentrated in areas like Bakhmut, -uledar, and other areas in Donetsk. We will see Shakhtar play in the Europa League but Dynamo Kyi- already got eliminated. Shakhtar managed to play well against Florentino Pere-'s Real Madrid who feature superstars like -inicius, Ben-ema, Car-ajal, and -al-erde. Some prominent Ukrainian players that got big transfers elsewhere include Oleksander -inchenko, Illya -abarnyi, and Mykhailo Mudryk.

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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:01 pm

This isn't to say that there couldn't still be room for another issue on a similar subject, but #089 "Don't Dam Our Rivers, Damnit!" Say Protesters and #263 Wind Farms Blowing Up A Storm both do something similar, weighing the benefits of renewable, non-polluting energy generation against habitat loss. As far as I can recall, the former sides with not building dams and the latter sides with continuing to build wind farms, in terms of which option actually raises Environmental Beauty. I could be wrong though.

Personally I am a major proponent of nuclear power, which doesn't pollute and doesn't take up much space.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:14 pm

Trotterdam wrote:This isn't to say that there couldn't still be room for another issue on a similar subject, but #089 "Don't Dam Our Rivers, Damnit!" Say Protesters and #263 Wind Farms Blowing Up A Storm both do something similar, weighing the benefits of renewable, non-polluting energy generation against habitat loss. As far as I can recall, the former sides with not building dams and the latter sides with continuing to build wind farms, in terms of which option actually raises Environmental Beauty. I could be wrong though.

Personally I am a major proponent of nuclear power, which doesn't pollute and doesn't take up much space.


And, to suit that, we have several issues that mention nuclear power, including one where a nuclear power station goes dark (well, not explicitly said as such but they are a power station).
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:21 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:And, to suit that, we have several issues that mention nuclear power,
Yeah, but it's conspiciously missing in most issues that discuss the nuances of environmentally-friendly electricity, including the aforementioned #263 ("renewables causing problems, let's switch to fossil fuel!"), and #346 ("fossil fuel causing problems, let's switch to renewables!"). Present in #069, though, which is the "basic" fossil-vs-renewable issue.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:23 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:And, to suit that, we have several issues that mention nuclear power,
Yeah, but it's conspiciously missing in most issues that discuss the nuances of environmentally-friendly electricity, including the aforementioned #263 ("renewables causing problems, let's switch to fossil fuel!"), and #346 ("fossil fuel causing problems, let's switch to renewables!"). Present in #069, though, which is the "basic" fossil-vs-renewable issue.


Wait, so are you telling me that there isn't any "Chernobyl" issue anywhere in the pool?
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:26 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Yeah, but it's conspiciously missing in most issues that discuss the nuances of environmentally-friendly electricity, including the aforementioned #263 ("renewables causing problems, let's switch to fossil fuel!"), and #346 ("fossil fuel causing problems, let's switch to renewables!"). Present in #069, though, which is the "basic" fossil-vs-renewable issue.


Wait, so are you telling me that there isn't any "Chernobyl" issue anywhere in the pool?


There sure is, #206.
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:10 pm

I'm considering a list type of issue that's premised on your nation having rocket for launching satellites to space with a payload that, for reasons I haven't fully worked out, is suddenly in need of being filled. You need to decide what type of satellite should be placed in the rocket, options I see possible are:

  1. a Hubble type satellite
  2. a Landsat (earth observing) type satellite
  3. a defense/anti missile satellite
  4. a communications satellite (make myface load .5 seconds faster on your phone from anywhere in @@NAME@@!)
  5. treats for astronauts on the international space station (a gesture of international good will)
  6. a satellite meant to round up space junk/clean up near earth
  7. a weather observing satellite for disaster prevention type concerns(?)
  8. a prototype space based solar power satellite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power)
  9. [for space trash launching nations]More trash! :lol:
  10. and a tinfoil hat wearing crazy demanding you disband @@NAME@@'s satellite program

I can see such an issue working, but I can also certainly see it not working (more so than most of my drafts) so I thought I do a bit of beta testing here. Alternatively I could also try to pair down to 3-4 options and make it a more standard issue, or I could try splitting off one of these choices into its own idea (cleaning up space certainly could be fore starters)...
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Postby Socio Polor » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:46 pm

I have an idea of an issue that runs on the topic of police brutality, any issues like that
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Postby Ransium » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:50 pm

Socio polor wrote:I have an idea of an issue that runs on the topic of police brutality, any issues like that


The most obvious examples are:
#141
#326
#455
#458
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