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Drasnia
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Postby Drasnia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:21 am

So some of us on Discord were having a conversation I feel is interesting enough to post here.

Valentine Z posted a breakdown of nation categories by %:
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I then followed by using the data from 2003 and comparing it to Val's trawl to see how things have changed:
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I'm presuming the rise in ICDs is due to an increased use of puppet nations for non-stat dependent things (e.g. military gameplay) as ICD is the default state when not choosing any options.

What is more curious is the explosion of more radical nations, especially PDs and Anarchies.
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Nazbeth
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Postby Nazbeth » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am

Is there an issue about which public college (or grade school) department/subject should receive the most funding?

Another idea is an ethnic minority who want the curriculum to include their history.

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Postby Westinor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:43 am

Nazbeth wrote:Is there an issue about which public college (or grade school) department/subject should receive the most funding?

Another idea is an ethnic minority who want the curriculum to include their history.


There is Issue #959, which despite not focusing on individual subjects hits a lot of those fields, Issue #668 on kinds of testing, Issue #947, which is more focused on female interest in mathematics, Issue #1306 on math teachers and how much of the education budget should go into mathematics, and plenty of issues on whether certain things like computers or religion should be part of the school curriculum.

Though none of these particularly hit different fields/subjects being funded far more than the others, make sure to distinguish the issue from the others (particularly those about math) and create a national issue, otherwise it just becomes a choice by the education department. On the other hand, the second idea has been covered, in Issue #1278
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Postby Nazbeth » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:46 am

Westinor wrote:
Nazbeth wrote:Is there an issue about which public college (or grade school) department/subject should receive the most funding?

Another idea is an ethnic minority who want the curriculum to include their history.


There is Issue #959, which despite not focusing on individual subjects hits a lot of those fields, Issue #668 on kinds of testing, Issue #947, which is more focused on female interest in mathematics, Issue #1306 on math teachers and how much of the education budget should go into mathematics, and plenty of issues on whether certain things like computers or religion should be part of the school curriculum.

Though none of these particularly hit different fields/subjects being funded far more than the others, make sure to distinguish the issue from the others (particularly those about math) and create a national issue, otherwise it just becomes a choice by the education department. On the other hand, the second idea has been covered, in Issue #1278


Thanks! This is very helpful.

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:27 pm

Also #124, about artistic fields.

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Postby Megistos » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:36 pm

Is there an issue about revolutionary rebellions?
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:49 pm

Drasnia wrote:
I'm presuming the rise in ICDs is due to an increased use of puppet nations for non-stat dependent things (e.g. military gameplay) as ICD is the default state when not choosing any options.

What is more curious is the explosion of more radical nations, especially PDs and Anarchies.

The rise in anarchies may come directly as a result of the 7000 or so Womble puppets, which are all default anarchies.

I think the rise in Psychotic Dictatorships may be influenced by the recent condemnation of the region itself and the Drewpocalypse, where I believe the YouTuber actually advocated for their subscribers to create dictatorships.

Besides these recent developments, I think more of the older nations have probably trended towards more extreme stats over time.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:27 am

Question! Has there been any issue where a nation with the monarchy policy and same-sex marriage, had a royal that wanted to marry someone of the same sex? Like the crown prince/princess?

Sidenote: I don't suppose there is a macro that can make the mention of Prince or Princess random, like the @@HE@@ macro?
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Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Good to see you up for commendation, Trotterdam.

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Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Good to see you up for commendation, Trotterdam.

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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 am

I had an idea for an issue in which a politician was discovered to be using a hologram (or something of that nature) for all of their public speeches, but then I remembered Issue #1072 Holographic Harmonization, the third answer of which mentions precisely that scenario.

I would consider making my issue follow that answer, but I'm not sure how that would work, given that Leader would have already directly accepted the possibility of holographic politicians giving speeches.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:16 pm

Would it make sense to write an issue on this?

https://www.newser.com/story/294431/egy ... tweet.html

OK, OK, Elon Musk was obviously joking, and I don't know if the Egyptian minister's response was tongue-in-cheek or if he took this seriously. BUT I guess such conspiracy theories could be taken seriously by countries with high national pride (and a very poor sense of humor). After all, a lot of people actually do think the pyramids were built by aliens and one could be offended by that, if one thinks attributing those masterpieces to alien involvement detracts from the pride that the nation can take in them.

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Postby Westinor » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:30 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Would it make sense to write an issue on this?

https://www.newser.com/story/294431/egy ... tweet.html

OK, OK, Elon Musk was obviously joking, and I don't know if the Egyptian minister's response was tongue-in-cheek or if he took this seriously. BUT I guess such conspiracy theories could be taken seriously by countries with high national pride (and a very poor sense of humor). After all, a lot of people actually do think the pyramids were built by aliens and one could be offended by that, if one thinks attributing those masterpieces to alien involvement detracts from the pride that the nation can take in them.

Thoughts?


It'd be a stretch, but portrayed with enough humor I could see it working out fine. I'm wondering though, what exactly is the conflict outside of explaining that it was a joke? Unless you're considering adding the conspiracist side of things, in which I still don't think most governments would take their view into account (though this is NS). I suppose it's just a question of where the conflict is, so unless the offended nation is asking for Elon's head, I'm not completely sure if it works (though the premise is humorous). It could also be portrayed as a broader problem, but I'm not sure where that would go. Gah, enough rambling for me. It's funny, and in my opinion would work so long as there were a sensible conflict.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:42 pm

Westinor wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Would it make sense to write an issue on this?

https://www.newser.com/story/294431/egy ... tweet.html

OK, OK, Elon Musk was obviously joking, and I don't know if the Egyptian minister's response was tongue-in-cheek or if he took this seriously. BUT I guess such conspiracy theories could be taken seriously by countries with high national pride (and a very poor sense of humor). After all, a lot of people actually do think the pyramids were built by aliens and one could be offended by that, if one thinks attributing those masterpieces to alien involvement detracts from the pride that the nation can take in them.

Thoughts?


It'd be a stretch, but portrayed with enough humor I could see it working out fine. I'm wondering though, what exactly is the conflict outside of explaining that it was a joke? Unless you're considering adding the conspiracist side of things, in which I still don't think most governments would take their view into account (though this is NS). I suppose it's just a question of where the conflict is, so unless the offended nation is asking for Elon's head, I'm not completely sure if it works (though the premise is humorous). It could also be portrayed as a broader problem, but I'm not sure where that would go. Gah, enough rambling for me. It's funny, and in my opinion would work so long as there were a sensible conflict.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I am actually not planning to involve Elon Musk (or Melon Musk or Balon Busk or whatever he is called in NS) in this.

We would be starting out with the assumption that conspiracy theorists are suggesting that a certain ancient landmark in @@NAME@@ is too perfect to have been built by humans. For added narrative, there could be a documentary movie director coming to @@NAME@@ with their team to investigate the conspiracy theories, etc. And then @@NAME@@ would go crazy and start to debate if they should try to disprove the conspiracy theory.
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Postby Westinor » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:48 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
Westinor wrote:
It'd be a stretch, but portrayed with enough humor I could see it working out fine. I'm wondering though, what exactly is the conflict outside of explaining that it was a joke? Unless you're considering adding the conspiracist side of things, in which I still don't think most governments would take their view into account (though this is NS). I suppose it's just a question of where the conflict is, so unless the offended nation is asking for Elon's head, I'm not completely sure if it works (though the premise is humorous). It could also be portrayed as a broader problem, but I'm not sure where that would go. Gah, enough rambling for me. It's funny, and in my opinion would work so long as there were a sensible conflict.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I am actually not planning to involve Elon Musk (or Melon Musk or Balon Busk or whatever he is called in NS) in this.

We would be starting out with the assumption that conspiracy theorists are suggesting that a certain ancient landmark in @@NAME@@ is too perfect to have been built by humans. For added narrative, there could be a documentary movie director coming to @@NAME@@ with their team to investigate the conspiracy theories, etc. And then @@NAME@@ would go crazy and start to debate if they should try to disprove the conspiracy theory.


Ohh, it's in @@NAME@@, got it. My bad :p

Hm, that could work! It sounds a teensy bit whimsical, so perhaps an added layer of conflict might help(though you've got the movie director, so that's probably fine). It sounds humorous though, I like it!
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:33 pm

I guess my problem is what can you really do about conspiracy theories? Even if you present clear scientific evidence that they're provably wrong, the serious conspiracy nuts aren't going to stop believing in them.

We already have some issues about citizens believing in stupid stuff, #999 in particular coming to mind.

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Postby Cretox State » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:50 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I guess my problem is what can you really do about conspiracy theories? Even if you present clear scientific evidence that they're provably wrong, the serious conspiracy nuts aren't going to stop believing in them.

We already have some issues about citizens believing in stupid stuff, #999 in particular coming to mind.

I can definitely see a premise where it's the government spinning conspiracies to cover up shady dealings, which spiral out of control.
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:05 pm

Cretox State wrote:I can definitely see a premise where it's the government spinning conspiracies to cover up shady dealings, which spiral out of control.
Haha, yeah. The military loves it when their spy planes get mistaken for alien spacecraft :)

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Postby Jutsa » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:21 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Cretox State wrote:I can definitely see a premise where it's the government spinning conspiracies to cover up shady dealings, which spiral out of control.
Haha, yeah. The military loves it when their spy planes get mistaken for alien spacecraft :)


Speaking of which, do we have an issue like this? :lol:
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:36 am

Jutsa wrote:Speaking of which, do we have an issue like this? :lol:
Only #81, where you can accuse other nations of pulling that trick.

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Postby Megistos » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:06 am

Question! Is there any issues on self defense with a gun?
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Postby Westinor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:09 am

Megistos wrote:Question! Is there any issues on self defense with a gun?



Several, though the topic you're mentioning is quite broad. The one that comes to mind on self-defense getting out of hand is Issue #1235(one of my personal favorites :p ). There are several referring to gun ownership (issues #84 and #149).
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Postby Megistos » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:16 am

Westinor wrote:
Megistos wrote:Question! Is there any issues on self defense with a gun?



Several, though the topic you're mentioning is quite broad. The one that comes to mind on self-defense getting out of hand is Issue #1235(one of my personal favorites :p ).

:) If I should go further to make it more specific, I was thinking

First Option: @@RANDOMNAME@@ is executed
Second Option: @@RANDOMNAME@@ is taken to a rehabilitation
Third Option (The crazy one): All citizens of @@NAME@@ are mandated to own a government approved gun (literally a futuristic gun. to 'protect')
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Postby Westinor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:36 am

Megistos wrote:
Westinor wrote:

Several, though the topic you're mentioning is quite broad. The one that comes to mind on self-defense getting out of hand is Issue #1235(one of my personal favorites :p ).

:) If I should go further to make it more specific, I was thinking

First Option: @@RANDOMNAME@@ is executed
Second Option: @@RANDOMNAME@@ is taken to a rehabilitation
Third Option (The crazy one): All citizens of @@NAME@@ are mandated to own a government approved gun (literally a futuristic gun. to 'protect')


Well, what's the premise? Who is @@RANDOMNAME@@, in this case, and why are they being executed?
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