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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:31 am

SherpDaWerp wrote:However, this issue could also be a problem without sleeving. You might be able to write an issue around the idea of "rich people can afford better healthcare, so they live longer", without saying that the rich people are buying entire new bodies.


Especially in nations without an NHS, though the narrative is a bit lacking with just that as the premise.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:25 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33283694

In China, there are theives who break into people's homes in order to steal pet dogs and eat them. I was thinking of writing an issue about this, but I'm now thinking, that would be more of a police matter than a leader matter, wouldn't it?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:29 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:However, this issue could also be a problem without sleeving. You might be able to write an issue around the idea of "rich people can afford better healthcare, so they live longer", without saying that the rich people are buying entire new bodies.


Especially in nations without an NHS, though the narrative is a bit lacking with just that as the premise.

I don't think it's an issue specifically. I think it goes without saying that those who can't afford health care don't luve as long
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:09 am

Australian rePublic wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33283694

In China, there are theives who break into people's homes in order to steal pet dogs and eat them. I was thinking of writing an issue about this, but I'm now thinking, that would be more of a police matter than a leader matter, wouldn't it?


Aside from appealing to anti-Chinese racism, I don't think this issue topic achieves anything that the recent issue on bushmeat doesn't already. The only concern raised by the linked article is that these aren't farmed animals, but essentially represent an unregulated meat source. That's pretty much covered by issue 1311.

I'd also note that Chinese people eating dogs isn't a stereotype that anyone ought to be pushing. Most Chinese people don't eat dog, and those that do do so rarely. People who talk about Chinese people eating dog are generalising to the same extent of someone saying "white European people eat cheese with live maggots in it", when actually almost all white European people are sickened by that idea, and even most Sardinians don't like casu marzu.

While China does consume around 10 million dogs a year, it also eats 700 million pigs a year, and similarly eats vast amounts of beef and chicken. It can't really be said that dog is a major meat source.

A well-written issue could address all that, of course, just as the well-written article you've linked gives great context. However, I don't think the word count of issues allows for the required nuance to make such an issue come across as anything other than racist stereotyping.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:51 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33283694

In China, there are theives who break into people's homes in order to steal pet dogs and eat them. I was thinking of writing an issue about this, but I'm now thinking, that would be more of a police matter than a leader matter, wouldn't it?


Aside from appealing to anti-Chinese racism, I don't think this issue topic achieves anything that the recent issue on bushmeat doesn't already. The only concern raised by the linked article is that these aren't farmed animals, but essentially represent an unregulated meat source. That's pretty much covered by issue 1311.

No the issue here would be people stealing animals that belong to other people

I'd also note that Chinese people eating dogs isn't a stereotype that anyone ought to be pushing.

Yea fair enough, sorry if I offended you

Most Chinese people don't eat dog, and those that do do so rarely. People who talk about Chinese people eating dog are generalising to the same extent of someone saying "white European people eat cheese with live maggots in it", when actually almost all white European people are sickened by that idea, and even most Sardinians don't like casu marzu.

While China does consume around 10 million dogs a year, it also eats 700 million pigs a year, and similarly eats vast amounts of beef and chicken. It can't really be said that dog is a major meat source.

If 10,000,000 dogs are eaten, that would mean that a mere 0.76% of people eat dogs, and that assumes that only one dog is eaten by dog eaters per year. When you take into account that almost all dog eaters would eat more than a single dog per year, then the percentage of actual dog eaters decreases exponentially. This means that the actual number of Chinese people who eat dog is so small it's stastically irrelevant and shouldn't even be taken seriously.

And keep in mind, that's only mainland China. All three of the other countries (or non-country entities) populated by Chinese people (Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau) have outlawed the practice of eating dog. Sorry if I've offended you. I'm truely sorry.

A well-written issue could address all that, of course, just as the well-written article you've linked gives great context. However, I don't think the word count of issues allows for the required nuance to make such an issue come across as anything other than racist stereotyping.

The issue wouldn't be eating dog, though, the issue would be about stealing pets. Those pets could be anything really, sheep, goats, cows, chickens, anything...

Also, wait? Significantly less than half of one percent of Chinese people eat dogs? And people take the steryotype seriously? Meanwhilst, approx. 0.7% of America's population is in prison. Does this mean we should go around calling Americans prisoners? Because, if your 10 million dogs per annum figure is correct there is a significantly higher proportion of Americans who are in prison than what there is of Chinese people who eat dogs. significantly more American prisoners than Chinese dog eaters per capita. Significantly. The numbers aren't even remotely comparable
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:04 am

This reminds me, I need to take another look at my draft about restaurants serving 'cuy' (i.e. guinea pig)...
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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:29 am

I'm also pretty sure that the reduction in dog-eating in China and Korea is in large part due to influence from Western culture, and globalized media raising the younger generation on the idea that it's not okay.

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Postby The Sapmi » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:56 am

Are there any issues about a strike in a socialist state?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:27 am

Not specifically. What did you have in mind?
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Postby The Sapmi » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:53 am

An event where the economic liberalisation of the socialist state in question is seen as not fast enough. I shall write a draft now.
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Postby Pangurstan » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:54 pm

Are there any issues that ban art? I know that there’s that one about shooting poets.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:07 pm

I'm not sure how true this is, as I could a second source, and "Joe King" from "F-A-L-S-E" sounds like a serious newspaper is trying its hand at satyrical news, but in either case, I'm gonna try to make this into an issue:
https://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/0 ... ution/amp/

EDIT: April Fools
Well, that's embarrassing
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:15 pm

Pangurstan wrote:Are there any issues that ban art? I know that there’s that one about shooting poets.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:10 am

Issue 367 is great, until your national animal is the cow. Who'd've thought that beef lasagne would be contimated by cow meat? And effect for option 4- the beef and cow lasagna is a smash hit. I have a few nations where the cow is the national animal, and I can't be the only one. Maybe put some kind of block on there to prevent nations with cow as the national animal from recieving it...
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:10 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Issue 367 is great, until your national animal is the cow. Who'd've thought that beef lasagne would be contimated by cow meat? And effect for option 4- the beef and cow lasagna is a smash hit. I have a few nations where the cow is the national animal, and I can't be the only one. Maybe put some kind of block on there to prevent nations with cow as the national animal from recieving it...

And you get the same sort of problems with 'Plague of the Hybrids' if your national animal is the dog...
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:25 am

Bears Armed wrote:And you get the same sort of problems with 'Plague of the Hybrids' if your national animal is the dog...
I'm pretty sure the editors already fixed that one.

Be sure to check for "bull", "steer", and "ox" as well as "cow".

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:38 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:And you get the same sort of problems with 'Plague of the Hybrids' if your national animal is the dog...
I'm pretty sure the editors already fixed that one.

Okay. I only remembered other people complaining about this, because none of the nations with which I've been answering Issues in recent years has that national animal, and maybe those complaints were a while back...
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:31 am

Doesn't look to have been fixed, but will need a bit of proper coding to implement. Not sure I'm up to it.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:57 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:And you get the same sort of problems with 'Plague of the Hybrids' if your national animal is the dog...
I'm pretty sure the editors already fixed that one.

Be sure to check for "bull", "steer", and "ox" as well as "cow".

Implemented - and yes, "Plague of the Hybrids" had the necessary check already.

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Postby Deep Dynamos » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:51 am

I don't know if this the right place to ask this.

Sorry if this is the wrong place.

I have drafted my issue. So, before posting on forum for suggestions, I want to ask that is there any assurance that my draft will not be copied or modified and published before I send it.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:25 am

Deep Dynamos wrote:I don't know if this the right place to ask this.

Sorry if this is the wrong place.

I have drafted my issue. So, before posting on forum for suggestions, I want to ask that is there any assurance that my draft will not be copied or modified and published before I send it.


If that happens you can report it to us, and we'll take appropriate action.

However, that has never ever happened in the history of NS.

We've had plagiarism attempts before, with people often submitting issues that are ones already in the game with minimal changes (yes, really), but nobody has ever tried to plaigirise a GI draft. It's too small a community to get away with it, and it would be deeply frowned upon, with definite moderator action.
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Postby Deep Dynamos » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:25 am

My draft:

No-Arms Norm


While having meeting with your cabinet of ministry, your secretary informed you that Maxtopia have introduced a application for a resolution in World Assembly stating that @@NAME@@ can't produce arms for next 3 years.

1)) "We must contact Maxtopia immediately!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, The Minister of Foreign Affairs, "We must appeal to them to withdraw their application. If they disagree, we should close our embassy in Maxtopia and bring my husband. . . I mean all the fellow countrymen home. "

Tourist of the nation are often sent back home.

2)) "No, please!!!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, The Minister of Defense, who is considered the laziest person in @@NAME@@, "Just don't worry... Just increase military spending instead... Just attack and conquer them."


Any othe nation who speaks @@NAME@@ is threatened to be attacked.

3)) "And as always I have the perfect solution." speaks @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, The Minister of Statistics, with a grin on his face, "Whether we agree or not, every nation has corrupt people feeding their tummy on corruption. What I am trying to say is just give some money under the table to top officers of Maxtopia to withdraw their application. Nobody will no what actually happened except us. It is win win situation for us."

Many officers from other nations are bribed on just saying @@NAME@@.

4)) "Corrupt like you!!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, The Chief Advisor, who is pleased to hit the bull's eye, "All the time of this nonsense of everybody, I was observing that @@NAME@@ has vast area of land untouched. - I am talking about the forest. We can develop our secret arms production factory in the forest. It is definitely most suitable solution for us. Maybe @@ANIMAL@@ won't like that. But, they don't have choices. "
[Valid for nations having high environment beauty]


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Postby Phydios » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:48 am

Deep Dynamos wrote:-snip-

You should make a new thread for this draft.
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Postby Hfhbsd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:26 pm

I have a idea I want to share before I start drafting: excused absences for students going to protests. Anything that already covers this?
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Postby Tretrid » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:52 pm

Are there any issues based off of the efforts to reintroduce wolves into Yellowstone? Seems like the kind of deep, nuanced subject that could be an issue.

Also, would an issue about the claims that vaccines cause autism be enough to merit its own issue, or would that overlap too much with Issue No. 92?
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