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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:12 am

Mzeusia wrote:There are no serious effort to revive other constellations, but why not make a national one for the sake of an issue?
I also think that culturally, constellations could be seen by some as important, and any person who believed this would care little about the uselessness of constellations for astronomy, and more about preserving their own culture.

Maybe the issue wouldn't have links to real life, but I don't think that that makes it any less valid an issue idea.


You can try drafting something and see if you can make it work, but you're gonna want at least some vague relation to real life to make the issue relatable.
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Postby Mzeusia » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:12 am

I'm pretty sure something like this already exists, but what about an issue where the nation has unlocked the religion, but its religious stat is quite low.
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Anti: gua is one of the 2 major islands that make up the Caribbean nation of Antigua and Barbuda. I wonder what the other island is?

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[Idea] issue to solve option I for no. 560

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Postby Chan Island » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:33 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:On a lighter note, seven months later, and this entire threaf still makes me laughs:
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Good times. That thread is the GI equivalent of that episode of Rick and Morty with the Meeseeks.
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Postby Ballpit » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:06 pm

Does anyone know if an issue that rules on the legality of plastic surgery already exists? I had an idea for an issue but I don’t know how to do an in-depth search to find out if one such issue exists already.

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:24 pm

Ballpit wrote:Does anyone know if an issue that rules on the legality of plastic surgery already exists? I had an idea for an issue but I don’t know how to do an in-depth search to find out if one such issue exists already.
I don't think so, as such.

There's a policy for banning "body modification", which is interpreted in broad strokes as including everything from tattoos to piercings to circumcision to (presumably) plastic surgery, but none of the issues currently involving it are about plastic surgery specifically.

There are also a few issues about sex reassignment surgery and the rights of transsexuals, but that's a rather specific subcase of plastic surgery. Also apparently it's not considered as falling under the body modification policy.

There's one issue about using artificial means to make models fit impossibly-high beauty standards that nobody meets naturally, but it just involves photo-editing, not actual modification of the models' bodies.

What kind of angle are you thinking of? Vain people using plastic surgery to make themselves look better? Fugitives or just unpopular people getting plastic surgery to make themselves harder to recognze? People disfigured in serious accidents getting plastic surgery just to fix them to what they looked like before?

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Postby Ballpit » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:43 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Ballpit wrote:Does anyone know if an issue that rules on the legality of plastic surgery already exists? I had an idea for an issue but I don’t know how to do an in-depth search to find out if one such issue exists already.
I don't think so, as such.

There's a policy for banning "body modification", which is interpreted in broad strokes as including everything from tattoos to piercings to circumcision to (presumably) plastic surgery, but none of the issues currently involving it are about plastic surgery specifically.

There are also a few issues about sex reassignment surgery and the rights of transsexuals, but that's a rather specific subcase of plastic surgery. Also apparently it's not considered as falling under the body modification policy.

There's one issue about using artificial means to make models fit impossibly-high beauty standards that nobody meets naturally, but it just involves photo-editing, not actual modification of the models' bodies.

What kind of angle are you thinking of? Vain people using plastic surgery to make themselves look better? Fugitives or just unpopular people getting plastic surgery to make themselves harder to recognze? People disfigured in serious accidents getting plastic surgery just to fix them to what they looked like before?


Thanks for the feedback! I’ve finished my draft, so feel free to check it out! ^_^

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:32 am

I think sex reassignment surgery probably ought to fall under a body modification ban, it's just never been considered.

Trot, can you do me a favour of flagging the issues that might need reviewing on that basis, and I'll take a look at them?
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Postby Mzeusia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:29 am

Hello all.
Has an issue been done about an elite hostile spy being captured and you have to decide how to handle it?
Options could be execute, interrogate, swap spies.
Thanks.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:38 am

Mzeusia wrote:Hello all.
Has an issue been done about an elite hostile spy being captured and you have to decide how to handle it?
Options could be execute, interrogate, swap spies.
Thanks.


I don't think it's been done.

The idea of international prisoner exchanges in general could probably merit an issue as well.
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Postby Mzeusia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I don't think it's been done.

The idea of international prisoner exchanges in general could probably merit an issue as well.

Thanks. Someone else can write an issue with the idea now that I think of it.
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:51 am

Mzeusia wrote:Hello all.
Has an issue been done about an elite hostile spy being captured and you have to decide how to handle it?
Options could be execute, interrogate, swap spies.
Thanks.

#233 I Spy a Diplomatic Crisis covers that topic, so you'd have to avoid a lot of overlap with it.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:39 am

Hey quick question since I'm about to submit my first issue that changes policies, does that have to be made explicit in the submission? If so, where does that slide in?
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Postby Ballpit » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:48 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I think sex reassignment surgery probably ought to fall under a body modification ban, it's just never been considered.

Trot, can you do me a favour of flagging the issues that might need reviewing on that basis, and I'll take a look at them?

I wasn’t really going for sexual reassignment, just body altering surgeries in general.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:54 am

Valrifell wrote:Hey quick question since I'm about to submit my first issue that changes policies, does that have to be made explicit in the submission? If so, where does that slide in?

You don't need to add it to the submission. Final judgment of stats falls to editors (that's part of the reason why there's no space to suggest them in submissions anymore).

However, if an option needs a policy change, that will come across to us in the text (additionally many of us follow draft threads, even if we don't comment). So we'll know to add any policies that the issue needs.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:54 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Hey quick question since I'm about to submit my first issue that changes policies, does that have to be made explicit in the submission? If so, where does that slide in?

You don't need to add it to the submission. Final judgment of stats falls to editors (that's why there's no space to suggest them anymore).

However, if an option needs a policy change, that will come across to us (and many of us follow draft threads, even if we don't comment). So we'll know to add any policies that the issue needs.


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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:14 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I think sex reassignment surgery probably ought to fall under a body modification ban, it's just never been considered.

Trot, can you do me a favour of flagging the issues that might need reviewing on that basis, and I'll take a look at them?
I think it's just #66 Transgender Recognition Demanded and #1162 She's Always a Woman to Me.

#767 Xe Said, Zhe Said also discusses transgenderism, but doesn't appear to mention any actual surgery. (Of course, a nation recognizing transgender individuals by their preferred gender but not permitting actual reassignment surgery would be a pretty weird combination on its own, though technically possible.)

Mzeusia wrote:Has an issue been done about an elite hostile spy being captured and you have to decide how to handle it?
#233 I Spy a Diplomatic Crisis for a foreign spy in your nation, #960 Nobody Does It Better? for your spy in a foreign nation.

Also I discovered that @@NAME@@ apparently has multiple "worst spies", Crazy Boris and Jason Bouring.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:26 pm

Ballpit wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I think sex reassignment surgery probably ought to fall under a body modification ban, it's just never been considered.

Trot, can you do me a favour of flagging the issues that might need reviewing on that basis, and I'll take a look at them?

I wasn’t really going for sexual reassignment, just body altering surgeries in general.

Surely they'd go in different catagories...
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:01 pm

Was there ever a followup to making judges computerized?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:10 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I think sex reassignment surgery probably ought to fall under a body modification ban, it's just never been considered.

Trot, can you do me a favour of flagging the issues that might need reviewing on that basis, and I'll take a look at them?
I think it's just #66 Transgender Recognition Demanded and #1162 She's Always a Woman to Me.

#767 Xe Said, Zhe Said also discusses transgenderism, but doesn't appear to mention any actual surgery. (Of course, a nation recognizing transgender individuals by their preferred gender but not permitting actual reassignment surgery would be a pretty weird combination on its own, though technically possible.)

Mzeusia wrote:Has an issue been done about an elite hostile spy being captured and you have to decide how to handle it?
#233 I Spy a Diplomatic Crisis for a foreign spy in your nation, #960 Nobody Does It Better? for your spy in a foreign nation.

Also I discovered that @@NAME@@ apparently has multiple "worst spies", Crazy Boris and Jason Bouring.



Ok, looking at those, and looking at the issues that activate the policy, it does seem narratively consistent to me to say that the policy should prevent transgender surgery, so added the exclusions so that you can't get those issues if you've banned any body modification.

May even be needed to review all the issues that mention other sorts of modification to the body - surgery in general, haircuts, and so on.
However, in view of the fact that it's a fringe policy covering so many things, I think we may just have to handwave all those other circumstances. Really not worth keeping players off all issues involving surgeons, dentists, hairdressers, and so on...

However, if you see any issues about plastic surgery or cosmetic surgery, then do flag them to me, as they likely ought to have an exclusion.
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Postby Minoa » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:49 am

It appears that Ransium is a regular Game Moderator now, and not an Issues Editor with Game Moderator capabilities. May I ask what date exactly did the reshuffle take effect?

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Postby Sanctaria » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:01 am

Minoa wrote:It appears that Ransium is a regular Game Moderator now, and not an Issues Editor with Game Moderator capabilities. May I ask what date exactly did the reshuffle take effect?

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Couple of days ago, but I'd suggest either asking in Moderation, or TGing Ransium himself. This isn't the most appropriate place to ask.
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Postby Minoa » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:19 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Minoa wrote:It appears that Ransium is a regular Game Moderator now, and not an Issues Editor with Game Moderator capabilities. May I ask what date exactly did the reshuffle take effect?

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Couple of days ago, but I'd suggest either asking in Moderation, or TGing Ransium himself. This isn't the most appropriate place to ask.

I'm sorry I screwed up there, but I thought Moderation was for reports and rules discussion only, not the history of the site itself. :blush:
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:40 pm

Minoa wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:Couple of days ago, but I'd suggest either asking in Moderation, or TGing Ransium himself. This isn't the most appropriate place to ask.

I'm sorry I screwed up there, but I thought Moderation was for reports and rules discussion only, not the history of the site itself. :blush:


Not a big deal, just don't want to derail the thread. Ransium just has less time for NS than he used to and his role on the issues team is one place he decided to cut back his commitments.
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Postby Kylarnatia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:06 pm

So I got Issue #910 today, and I found Option Three to be a bit...extreme? (compulsory higher education up until the age of twenty-four) :lol: Would it be too niche to write a follow-up, where if you selected #3 you could have people arguing over the merits / cost of compulsory higher education, or is that covered by another issue?
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