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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:47 am

Well, this is probably for the best, but as one of the sources on which options did and didn't unlock the fields, I'm a little disappointed to have to delete that information ;)

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Kozmix
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Postby Kozmix » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:48 am

Has an issue been done on something like false accusation for a crime?

I had an idea about the nation having to compensate a wrongly accused family member after he was accused of a crime, but it was later found he was not the culprit. However, due to the media coverage of it being a high-profile issue, he was thoroughly defamed, and he can't find a job anymore, had a divorce and so on... So the options would be blaming the police for making their findings public early, blaming the media because they made it too famous without checking the facts (I guess), paying him hush money, publicy apologizing as the Leader, and keeping him locked up so that the public may be satisfied.

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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:23 am

#318: accusation disovered to be false only after the defendant'd already been executed.
#1001: false accusation of rape.
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Postby Kozmix » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:52 am

Trotterdam wrote:[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88#318[/url]: accusation disovered to be false only after the defendant'd already been executed.
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=88&start=50#1001]#1001[/url]: false accusation of rape.

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Postby Jutsa » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:21 pm

Do we have any issues about people purposefully breaking the law so they can go to prison for nations where prisons are super nice? :P
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Postby Fauxia » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:23 pm

Jutsa wrote:Do we have any issues about people purposefully breaking the law so they can go to prison for nations where prisons are super nice? :P

Don’t think so, although 604 kinda sorta touches it
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:19 pm

Even where prisons are nice, you'd probably have to be extremely poor for prison to look preferable. But really poor people exist...

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Postby Fauxia » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:40 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Even where prisons are nice, you'd probably have to be extremely poor for prison to look preferable. But really poor people exist...

Stick a low poor income validity ln it
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:54 am

Trotterdam wrote:Even where prisons are nice, you'd probably have to be extremely poor for prison to look preferable. But really poor people exist...


American prisons aren´t that nice, but we still have occasional cases of homeless people committing minor vandalism or shoplifting because they want to go to jail for the winter.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:06 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Even where prisons are nice, you'd probably have to be extremely poor for prison to look preferable. But really poor people exist...


American prisons aren´t that nice, but we still have occasional cases of homeless people committing minor vandalism or shoplifting because they want to go to jail for the winter.

This is sad. Aren't there enough homeless shelters for them?
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:09 am

Is there an issue on legalizing and/or criminalizing prostitution? If not, would NS welcome such an issue? And if yes, what would be the best approach to writing such an issue?

I mean, it seems that writing such an issue requires one to start out with a certain premise, i.e., that prostitution is either legal or illegal. But making that assumption would violate player autonomy, I think. So how could I broach the subject without touching upon the issue of whether it is currently legal or not?
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:14 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
American prisons aren´t that nice, but we still have occasional cases of homeless people committing minor vandalism or shoplifting because they want to go to jail for the winter.

This is sad. Aren't there enough homeless shelters for them?


Homeless shelters exist, but I guess they filled up or there wasn´t one nearby or something. Some shelters only let people stay there at night, and they throw you out to look for work during the day, so some people might not want to deal with that in really cold weather.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:37 am


Oh, and a very early issue, in fact.

OK. Criminalizing prostitution is still a potential issue theme, of course. But it's probably hard to embed in a narrative.

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Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:This is sad. Aren't there enough homeless shelters for them?


Homeless shelters exist, but I guess they filled up or there wasn´t one nearby or something. Some shelters only let people stay there at night, and they throw you out to look for work during the day, so some people might not want to deal with that in really cold weather.

:(
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Homeless shelters exist, but I guess they filled up or there wasn´t one nearby or something. Some shelters only let people stay there at night, and they throw you out to look for work during the day, so some people might not want to deal with that in really cold weather.

:(


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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:28 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:OK. Criminalizing prostitution is still a potential issue theme, of course. But it's probably hard to embed in a narrative.
Currently, it isn't tracked by a flag, so nations that legalized prostitution with #106 will simply keep getting the issue again and be able to confirm or change their choice, despite the narrative assuming (but in a fairly understated way that's easy to miss and doesn't really change any of the arguments presented) that prostitution is currently illegal.

We have surprisingly few issues about prostitution, considering how controversial it is. If prostitution is the world's oldest profession, then the acceptability of prostitution is surely the world's oldest political debate, yet we're still no closer to coming to an agreement today, with both left-wing and right-wing arguments for and against.

#935 is the only other issue that addresses prostitution (sort of). It originally didn't have any pro-prostitution option, but one was added after player complaint. #52 also name-drops prostitution, but in a context where it's largely irrelevant (the topic of payment never actually comes up).

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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:18 pm

Any issues on having too many ministers? If not, could there be one? :rofl:

(something something 99 red balloons having a line about 99 ministers)
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Jutsa wrote:Any issues on having too many ministers? If not, could there be one? :rofl:

(something something 99 red balloons having a line about 99 ministers)

There have been issues about the "unwieldiness" of the government, but I don't remember any issue specifically mentioning the number of ministers. I think it could be done.

And I would certainly love such an issue :)
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:50 pm

Yeah, me too. Frankly, you do have a lot of ministers; it'd be fun to poke fun at that and bring in some really bizarre ones. :lol:

I'll leave that for someone else unless like no one picks it up.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:04 pm

Jutsa wrote:Do we have any issues about people purposefully breaking the law so they can go to prison for nations where prisons are super nice? :P

In the USA, some people commit crimes in order to recieve free healthcare
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:10 pm

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Is there an issue on legalizing and/or criminalizing prostitution? If not, would NS welcome such an issue? And if yes, what would be the best approach to writing such an issue?

I mean, it seems that writing such an issue requires one to start out with a certain premise, i.e., that prostitution is either legal or illegal. But making that assumption would violate player autonomy, I think. So how could I broach the subject without touching upon the issue of whether it is currently legal or not?

Remember though, titles wnd effect lines cannot be flagged as adults only
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:11 pm

Are there any issues about people leaving their inheritance to pets, as opposed to their children/grandchildren
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Postby Sacara » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:14 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Are there any issues about people leaving their inheritance to pets, as opposed to their children/grandchildren

What would the issue be about?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:51 pm

Sacara wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Are there any issues about people leaving their inheritance to pets, as opposed to their children/grandchildren

What would the issue be about?

Heirs getting the shits
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:54 pm

Jutsa wrote:Yeah, me too. Frankly, you do have a lot of ministers; it'd be fun to poke fun at that and bring in some really bizarre ones. :lol:

I'll leave that for someone else unless like no one picks it up.

Perhaps an option should appoint a minister of removing usless ministries
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