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Postby Pogaria » Thu May 18, 2017 7:42 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:It does.

To submit, you have to check these:
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Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”

Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.


The problem isn't linking them, it's that no one reads them. (I've heard the same story from WA proposals...)

You're correct; I was thinking of a previous issues submission page. I should have double-checked before posting. When you've been on NS for 14 years, it all seems to blur together.

The Atlae Isles wrote:Out of curiosity, on average, how long does an issue take from submission (after drafting) and being added to the game?

Anywhere from a few weeks to a year or two is typical.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri May 19, 2017 2:56 am

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Pogaria wrote:For a reasonably accurate simulation of the worst submissions:
1. Open word processing software.
2. Mash keyboard repeatedly.
3. Add racist stereotypes.

In all fairness, most submissions are just unoriginal and/or poorly written. Too many people don't seem to realize that GI is here to help them. Perhaps the "Submit an Issue" page should include a link to it.

It does.

To submit, you have to check these:
Yes! I have read “How To Write An Issue.”

Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”

Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.


The problem isn't linking them, it's that no one reads them. (I've heard the same story from WA proposals...)



You mean people click without reading stuff? :)

That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri May 19, 2017 10:44 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:It does.

To submit, you have to check these:
Yes! I have read “How To Write An Issue.”

Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”

Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.


The problem isn't linking them, it's that no one reads them. (I've heard the same story from WA proposals...)



You mean people click without reading stuff? :)

That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.


Nobody would read the issue and just click the I agree :meh:
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Postby Drasnia » Fri May 19, 2017 10:51 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:

You mean people click without reading stuff? :)

That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.


Nobody would read the issue and just click the I agree :meh:

More like dismiss.
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Postby Raionitu » Fri May 19, 2017 8:26 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.

Might try to pick that one up. I remember a British company added that they have the right to claim their customers souls in their terms and agreements. That would be a fun one to make.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Fri May 19, 2017 10:01 pm

Raionitu wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.

Might try to pick that one up. I remember a British company added that they have the right to claim their customers souls in their terms and agreements. That would be a fun one to make.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm currently doing that one. Check it out over here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=412166

I did put in the souls part, but I dropped it after someone said it was a bit unrealistic. :(
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Postby Luna Amore » Fri May 19, 2017 10:24 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Raionitu wrote:Might try to pick that one up. I remember a British company added that they have the right to claim their customers souls in their terms and agreements. That would be a fun one to make.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm currently doing that one. Check it out over here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=412166

I did put in the souls part, but I dropped it after someone said it was a bit unrealistic. :(

As long as no one is plagiarizing, we are fine with multiple authors drafting the same topic.

And I think the silliness of the eternal souls gotcha undercut the dilemma. There's a host of other real world examples that would be more interesting.
There's the more prosaic examples like companies claiming ownership of your work, making sure you can't participate in a class action lawsuit, or saying they will work with law enforcement and hand over your data. Then there's the weirdly specific Apple making sure you don't use iTunes to make nukes:

You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons.


There's just better approaches that will produce better dilemmas in my opinion.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 4:40 am

Is "@@LEADER@@ free your tits" to risque for an adults only issue about @@LEADER@@ keeping tit willows (a species of bird) in a small cage as a follow up of 602.3, or an issue about caged birds as a whole?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 5:14 am

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=412441

Since issues for communist nations are in high demand, you may enjoy this:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=412441
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:39 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Drayxaso wrote:Which suggested topics already have drafts made? I want to get back into issue writing, but I don't know which ones have been taken.


The request list in the second post of this thread is up to date.

I'd like to add that these issues are ones that various members of the team thought would make good issues... I'd consider them to be a "help yourself to these ideas" list.

[list][*]"Affluenza"
[*]Trial by media
[*]Access to information laws
[*]A shortage of judges
[*]A shortage of the drugs required for lethal injections
[*] Follow-up issues regarding a national anthem
[*]Non-lethal methods of criminal punishment
[*]A shortage of judges
[*]Citizens accidentally discovering a top secret government base
[*]Free speech rights vs the rights of a privately held website
[*]The costs of upkeeping @@LEADER@@'s official residence - a folow up to Making A House A Home
[*]Public shaming
[*]Morality and legality of scalping
[*]Medical tourism
[*]The nation's leader pardoning criminals
[*]Suing the government/police/other government agencies
[*]"Essential workers" (ex: police, fire departments, health care workers), going on strike/unionizing
[*]The amalgamation of @@CAPITAL@@ and other major cities with their surrounding areas
[*]An issue about female genital mutilation (please keep this tasteful)
[*]Issues specifically for dealing with an agrarian society (a nation without technology and dependent on agriculture)


Meanwhile these ones are specifically about filling gaps relating to existing in-game policy flags, and I'd personally consider them very desirable drafts, and if any author is drafting on these topics, I'd be grateful for a telegram so I can contribute to the drafting thread and flag it for priority publication:

[list][*]Issues surrounding a nation having a dinosaur park
[*]Issues surrounding state controlled media
[*]Issues surrounding mercenaries, especially if they're already used in the nation
[*]An issue for vegetarian nations that is NOT about reversing it
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have abolished their upper house (see Bicameral Backlash)
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have banned zoos
[*]A specific reversal issue to legalise abortion in nations that have banned it
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations who have chosen to adopt proportional representation
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have legalised same sex marriage.
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have established term limits (#54
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have banned circumcision (#467)
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have allowed police to have cars while the rest of the populace does not have cars, and which reverts the situation to nobody being allowed cars.
[*]A specific reversal on implementing subcutaneous identification microchips
[*]A specific reversal issue for nations that have stopped foreigners from running for office (#427)


Meanwhile this, is just a broad suggestion that has historically been on the list as broad advice:

[*]Issues addressing specific industries, or combinations of them. Think of the consequences of having a large or small industry, the problems they might face when growing or shrinking, or the trade-offs between various industries. There are some severely lacking in issues, such as: basket weaving, gambling, furniture restoration, fishing, pizza delivery, woodchipping, soda sales.


Additionally, I'd like to reiterate that I'm on the look out for issues that are specifically for non-capitalist nations, as the recent big policy review has significantly shrunk the pool of available issues for non-capitalist nations.

Could you please repost this list somewhere so that we always have easy access to it. Maybe re-post it as its own thread where it could be updated
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 9:08 am

Since Pizza Delivery is a topic which requires more issues, PLUS I really want the slice of life banner but am not recieving any pizza-based issues, I was thinking of writing "Would You Like Pineapple with that"

Options:
1. Ban Pineapple on Pizza
2. Force All Pizza to have pineapple
3. An option that will significantly boost pizza delivery, and bring me one step closer to the slice of life banner

Also, I want to co-author an issue. Since I have an idea and nothing more, I wil co-author with whoever improves my idea:
An issue about different types of pizzas:
1. Regular Italian Pizza
2. New York Style
3. Chicargo Style
4. (Modern Greek Style)
5. Plakous (Ancient Greek pizza)
6. MAmoush (Lebanese Style)
7. Desert Pizzas

Also, I had an idea for a scalping related issue
Options:
1. An upset teenage girl who couldn't see B. Leiper- People lose money, others miss out on tickets-Entire re-sale websites shut down over night
2. A guy who's 10,000 friends "didn't show up"- Scalping is legal- "I mean sure people would rather buy tickets from me than see tickets go to waste"
3. You can only sell every ticket for 10% more than you pruchased it, with the unintended consequence of people profiting from that

Thoughts please
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Postby Abhichandra » Sun May 21, 2017 9:25 am

Well, you could make an issue like "Hobby Lobby" #602 and have lots of different options for every kind of pizza, to see what @@LEADER@@'s favorite pizza is.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 10:31 am

Abhichandra wrote:Well, you could make an issue like "Hobby Lobby" #602 and have lots of different options for every kind of pizza, to see what @@LEADER@@'s favorite pizza is.

Yea, I was thinking that, but didn't know if it would wlrk as an issue, nor if the editors would be able to think of stats. Thanks!
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Postby Pogaria » Sun May 21, 2017 12:30 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Abhichandra wrote:Well, you could make an issue like "Hobby Lobby" #602 and have lots of different options for every kind of pizza, to see what @@LEADER@@'s favorite pizza is.

Yea, I was thinking that, but didn't know if it would wlrk as an issue, nor if the editors would be able to think of stats. Thanks!

Well, you could do that, but I don't think it would make a meaningful issue. Instead, perhaps you could think about all of the existing issues. Many of them have unusual options. What happens after a nation implements one of those? For example, let's say that your nation just legalized online marriages (#687). What are the implications of that? Or perhaps the national leader has just been proclaimed a god (#363). What happens next?

Basically, if you want some good ideas for new issues, my suggestion is to read through the existing issues and think about what other dilemmas will arise when choosing certain options.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 2:43 pm

Pogaria wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Yea, I was thinking that, but didn't know if it would wlrk as an issue, nor if the editors would be able to think of stats. Thanks!

Well, you could do that, but I don't think it would make a meaningful issue. Instead, perhaps you could think about all of the existing issues. Many of them have unusual options. What happens after a nation implements one of those? For example, let's say that your nation just legalized online marriages (#687). What are the implications of that? Or perhaps the national leader has just been proclaimed a god (#363). What happens next?

Basically, if you want some good ideas for new issues, my suggestion is to read through the existing issues and think about what other dilemmas will arise when choosing certain options.

As a religious peeson, I would rather not get into the issue of @@LEADER@@ playing God
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 2:45 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:It does.

To submit, you have to check these:
Yes! I have read “How To Write An Issue.”

Yes! I have read “The Got Issues? FAQ.”

Yes! I agree to the Terms & Conditions.


The problem isn't linking them, it's that no one reads them. (I've heard the same story from WA proposals...)



You mean people click without reading stuff? :)

That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.

My point exactly. People don't rad stuff. Which is why we should have a link to Got Issues in the submit issue page. Also, what's an EULA?

EDIT: (Thanks Google), uh, here's a draft:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=412166
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 2:51 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:

You mean people click without reading stuff? :)

That reminds me, we still don't have a good issue about EULAs. Some ideas were bounced around in the past, but nobody ever got together a really fun issue on the topic.


Nobody would read the issue and just click the I agree :meh:

:rofl: :lol2: :rofl:
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun May 21, 2017 5:00 pm

Australian Republic wrote:Also, I had an idea for a scalping related issue
Options:
1. An upset teenage girl who couldn't see B. Leiper- People lose money, others miss out on tickets-Entire re-sale websites shut down over night
2. A guy who's 10,000 friends "didn't show up"- Scalping is legal- "I mean sure people would rather buy tickets from me than see tickets go to waste"
3. You can only sell every ticket for 10% more than you pruchased it, with the unintended consequence of people profiting from that
Aww, and here I thought you were going to talk about actual scalping, as in, cutting out people's scalps as proof that you've killed them so you can claim the bounty.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 21, 2017 6:05 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Also, I had an idea for a scalping related issue
Options:
1. An upset teenage girl who couldn't see B. Leiper- People lose money, others miss out on tickets-Entire re-sale websites shut down over night
2. A guy who's 10,000 friends "didn't show up"- Scalping is legal- "I mean sure people would rather buy tickets from me than see tickets go to waste"
3. You can only sell every ticket for 10% more than you pruchased it, with the unintended consequence of people profiting from that
Aww, and here I thought you were going to talk about actual scalping, as in, cutting out people's scalps as proof that you've killed them so you can claim the bounty.

No. They wanted an issue about the legality and MORALITY of scalping. There ain't anythin' moral about what you suggested. This kind of scalping ain't moral either, but hey, that's the issue
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun May 21, 2017 7:38 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Aww, and here I thought you were going to talk about actual scalping, as in, cutting out people's scalps as proof that you've killed them so you can claim the bounty.

No. They wanted an issue about the legality and MORALITY of scalping. There ain't anythin' moral about what you suggested. This kind of scalping ain't moral either, but hey, that's the issue

That's the point. They're discussing how it's moral, more specifically, how it's immoral.
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Postby A Humanist Prognostication » Sun May 21, 2017 11:01 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Also, I had an idea for a scalping related issue
Options:
1. An upset teenage girl who couldn't see B. Leiper- People lose money, others miss out on tickets-Entire re-sale websites shut down over night
2. A guy who's 10,000 friends "didn't show up"- Scalping is legal- "I mean sure people would rather buy tickets from me than see tickets go to waste"
3. You can only sell every ticket for 10% more than you pruchased it, with the unintended consequence of people profiting from that
Aww, and here I thought you were going to talk about actual scalping, as in, cutting out people's scalps as proof that you've killed them so you can claim the bounty.


This is probably many venue's preferred solution to unauthorized ticket resellers.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon May 22, 2017 12:55 am

Australian Republic wrote:Could you please repost this list somewhere so that we always have easy access to it. Maybe re-post it as its own thread where it could be updated



First page of this thread. Second post.

You never noticed this?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon May 22, 2017 1:02 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Could you please repost this list somewhere so that we always have easy access to it. Maybe re-post it as its own thread where it could be updated



First page of this thread. Second post.

You never noticed this?

I did, but it's not as comprehensive as the one you posted
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon May 22, 2017 1:05 am

A Humanist Prognostication wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Aww, and here I thought you were going to talk about actual scalping, as in, cutting out people's scalps as proof that you've killed them so you can claim the bounty.


This is probably many venue's preferred solution to unauthorized ticket resellers.

This would limit how tickets are sold on eBay and (that one in the USA whose name I forgot)
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon May 22, 2017 3:13 am

Australian Republic wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:

First page of this thread. Second post.

You never noticed this?

I did, but it's not as comprehensive as the one you posted


Ah right, fair enough. It's got the same items on it.

I guess that being NoQ's post originally, and with NoQ being active, it'd be bad form for me to edit it into a different format. NoQ can change it around if he wants to.
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