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[Verdant Haven]

Issue #198 ("Not All Those Who Wander Are Paying") makes reference to private property in its introduction. That could use a socialism-friendliness fix. There shouldn't be landowners per se in SR2.

Given the specifics of this exact issue, I think you're probably right. A farm is a means of production that seems like it ought to be under gov't control in a Socialist nation. I'm not convinced land ownership by itself is a problem though - this is part of an ongoing situation that I think causes a lot of challenges when writing.

Socialism is not Communism, but a lot of the options and issues written for Socialism nations are written as if Soviet-style Communism can be assumed. While Communism would absolutely see a lack of private ownership of real property, Socialism doesn't inherently have such a such lack. A Socialist government controls industry/business/resources/production, but still allows for private property, which can include one or more places of residence. Now how much land is included in that residential ownership could turn into an interesting question, which the ultra-simplified model we use isn't equipped to treat at this time, but I think we definitely have to look at it case by case.

At any rate, like I said above, I think you're right due to the specific production-based nature of this particular issue's land, and I'll bring it up backstage to see if we can sort out a solution.

[Steelfeather Rapture 2]

Issue #113 ("Test Results Deemed 'Ungood' After Global Survey") happens at top-10% levels of intelligence. This issue may need to be refined to happen only for nations with more substantial levels of ignorance.

[Verdant Haven]

Issue #113 ("Test Results Deemed 'Ungood' After Global Survey") happens at top-10% levels of intelligence. This issue may need to be refined to happen only for nations with more substantial levels of ignorance.

Might I ask which nation you got it on that has top 10% Intelligence? I'll be fascinated to see what combination of other circumstances you've got that put your Intelligence stat that high, given what the validity requirement is for the issue in question.

There is quite a restrictive validity in place on that issue, which typically avoids situations like you describe. There are obviously ways around it, such as must what be going on with you, but the journey to make that happen would have to be a bit convoluted and I'd love to take a look - basically "highly educated morons" or something like it. I just ran a quick hand check on twenty nations that are eligible to receive it - of those, fifteen were in the bottom 10%, with five being the 100th percentile. Only a single nation wasn't in the lower half, and it would have needed to nearly double its score to reach the top 10%.

[Evilest Evil]

I’m not entirely sure if this belongs here or not, but I didn’t think a whole new thread was appropriate and I didn’t see anywhere better.

I got issue 1477 earlier, and I noticed something a bit odd with the grammar in the introduction:

“Activists representing the nation’s deaf and hearing-impaired communities have taken you to task over the lack of a Evil Sign Language interpreter at your public addresses”

I think they want me to have an evil Sign Language interpreter. Definitely not a big problem, I just haven’t noticed anything like that before in an issue so it stuck out to me.

[Verdant Haven]

I’m not entirely sure if this belongs here or not, but I didn’t think a whole new thread was appropriate and I didn’t see anywhere better.

I got issue 1477 earlier, and I noticed something a bit odd with the grammar in the introduction:

“Activists representing the nation’s deaf and hearing-impaired communities have taken you to task over the lack of a Evil Sign Language interpreter at your public addresses”

I think they want me to have an evil Sign Language interpreter. Definitely not a big problem, I just haven’t noticed anything like that before in an issue so it stuck out to me.

This is the perfect place to report that! That's a missing macro on our end, to choose the correct a/an usage to match your demonym.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[Wind and Void Rapture 1]

Issue #113 ("Test Results Deemed 'Ungood' After Global Survey") happens at top-10% levels of intelligence. This issue may need to be refined to happen only for nations with more substantial levels of ignorance.

Might I ask which nation you got it on that has top 10% Intelligence? I'll be fascinated to see what combination of other circumstances you've got that put your Intelligence stat that high, given what the validity requirement is for the issue in question.

There is quite a restrictive validity in place on that issue, which typically avoids situations like you describe. There are obviously ways around it, such as must what be going on with you, but the journey to make that happen would have to be a bit convoluted and I'd love to take a look - basically "highly educated morons" or something like it. I just ran a quick hand check on twenty nations that are eligible to receive it - of those, fifteen were in the bottom 10%, with five being the 100th percentile. Only a single nation wasn't in the lower half, and it would have needed to nearly double its score to reach the top 10%.

Steelfeather Rapture 2 got the issue despite being in the top 10% of intelligence. I usually report things with the issue that got the issue. How in the world does this game purport to track "highly educated morons"? Wouldn't that be represented by a high public education funding despite a low intelligence stat?

Does this game treat anti-black-market play as "moronic"? I noticed vile corruption of the scientific advancement stat, so I've been careful about science that damages the integrity of the economy.

On that note, Issue #195 ("Right of Way or Wrong of Way?") recently happened to Wind and Void Rapture 1. It has a character who is "owner of six mansions". We can debate whether people under socialism would own their own homes, but owning six mansions is something that I'm pretty sure shouldn't happen under socialism.

EDIT: And I checked SR2 again to find "The Call of Nature" had proc'd. That issue shouldn't exist, IMO. I am very curious what kind of validity check it has on it. I think it shouldn't happen in a very polite nation, because public urination is several kinds of rude.

[Steelfeather Rapture 1]

The first option in Issue #902 ("Killer App") needs new text in nations which have broad legalization of recreational drugs. There shouldn't be drug deals on the streets of such nations.

While I'm here, I think hiring assassins should really be treated as authoritarian. It would make people afraid of the state's authority... like it does in IRL nations that are rumored to engage in state-sanctioned assassinations.

[Verdant Haven]

Steelfeather Rapture 2 got the issue despite being in the top 10% of intelligence. I usually report things with the issue that got the issue. How in the world does this game purport to track "highly educated morons"? Wouldn't that be represented by a high public education funding despite a low intelligence stat?

Does this game treat anti-black-market play as "moronic"? I noticed vile corruption of the scientific advancement stat, so I've been careful about science that damages the integrity of the economy.

The "highly-educated morons" remark was my own tongue-in-cheek assessment of what I imagined is necessary (hence the scare quotes), rather than a specific game-tracked thing. One could also potentially have the reverse - intellectually-engaged ignorami - to get the same result.

Basically, the visible "Intelligence" stat, like most visible stats, is a combination of numerous things that are not visible to players - not just one or two numbers. With sufficiently convoluted decisions, you could theoretically have a nation where the people don't demonstrate any particular intellectual interest in raw terms, but where the government has invested enough in all of the other things that offset that factor to lead to a high score in the final visible product named "Intelligence." Likewise, one could have a nation full of intellectual giants where the government refuses to invest anything in schooling or academic pursuits, leaving it to "self-discovery" to pump up the score. In either case, you've got a high final "Intelligence" score, despite an extreme outlier in one of the components, which may occasionally lead to unexpected validity results.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Got #425 “Teach your farmers well” according to which there are “the horrors of both falling crop yields and furious farmers” despite my Sector: Agriculture being in the top 0.6%. Am I getting something wrong here?

[Sedgistan]

A strong agriculture industry can still see its yields fall.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Neither the less I think that when agriculture is one of the primary driving gears of the economy than the problem of education would not be that bad?

[Evilest Evil]

I’m not entirely sure if this belongs here or not, but I didn’t think a whole new thread was appropriate and I didn’t see anywhere better.

I got issue 1477 earlier, and I noticed something a bit odd with the grammar in the introduction:

“Activists representing the nation’s deaf and hearing-impaired communities have taken you to task over the lack of a Evil Sign Language interpreter at your public addresses”

I think they want me to have an evil Sign Language interpreter. Definitely not a big problem, I just haven’t noticed anything like that before in an issue so it stuck out to me.

This is the perfect place to report that! That's a missing macro on our end, to choose the correct a/an usage to match your demonym.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Alright, I wasn’t sure if this thread was mainly intended for older issues that desperately need fixed or if it’s for all general issues with issues. I’ll remember this thread in case I see anything like that again. Maybe if I ever see 1477 again they might even get their evil sign language interpreter despite the name of the nation.

[Brezzia]

Answer 1 of 565 institutes educational program against drugs and lowers civil rights. Why? It didn't say people are forced to attain and tact is more like making advertising.

“These students are doping themselves up to the gills in the hope it’ll improve their academic performance,” explains Student Union Vice-President for Welfare Attila Latham, while hurriedly trying to finish an assignment. “However noble their intentions, the reality is that they’re abusing drugs. We need the government to fund an education and outreach program, warning of the dangers and offering counselling and therapy. Outreach and therapy will solve this problem more than blunt law enforcement ever will.”

[Steelfeather Rapture 1]

Issue #1312 ("Cranmer vs Cranmer") needs a rework for Cloning Vat nations. I'm not saying custody issues wouldn't arise in a cloning vat nation, but it doesn't work right as it is.

First off, the first option's reference to uteruses is not applicable. That shouldn't be how motherdom is seen in a cloning vat nation where artificial wombs have substantially displaced natural reproduction.

Secondly, the third option is framed completely wrong. "Stop Whining and Push" is not an applicable book title in a cloning vat nation, and references to pregnancy need to be trimmed out. The option to grant custody presumptively to men needs a new presenter in a cloning nation.

Thirdly, the third option's effect line needs a cloning-compatibility rework. The bit about "unwilling fathers" seeking "late night pharmacies" should be different, since infertility is the basic presumption in a cloning vat nation. Rather than engaging in sexual relations, fathers in a cloning vat nation typically signed up to get a baby from the cloning authorities. With both its presenter and its effect line changing, the stat consequences of the third option should probably change, too.

These issues could be individually resolved, but I would vote that Issue #1312 be simply blocked from cloning vat nations, because the war of the genders should be much reduced when two people of any sex can have biological children just as easily as a man and a woman. Cloning is an inclusive policy!

[Bow-Tied Engitopia]

Issue 582 augmented reality shouldn't display for nations that have banned cars, or at the very least the option of putting in more stop signs and traffic lights should be. The idea of Maxemon Woah players getting hit by vehicles often enough for it to become a national issue is kinda ridiculous in a car free nation.

[St Lyaos]

#222, "Terrorists Strike City Centre"

All of St Lyaos has been in an uproar since yesterday when a car exploded in the middle of Tó Shinaaím, killing dozens and injuring hundreds.

I feel like this should have a 'Allows Automobiles' validity check? How is anyone blowing up cars in a car-free nation? lol

[Cataleenia]

#222, "Terrorists Strike City Centre"

All of St Lyaos has been in an uproar since yesterday when a car exploded in the middle of Tó Shinaaím, killing dozens and injuring hundreds.

I feel like this should have a 'Allows Automobiles' validity check? How is anyone blowing up cars in a car-free nation? lol

There was an interesting discussion about that on the previous page.

[Brezzia]

Issue #1097's answer 1 makes brawler sailors face martial court and lowers civil rights, but it was established that the "right to crime" is not a right, wasn't?

[Sedgistan]

Issue #1097's answer 1 makes brawler sailors face martial court and lowers civil rights, but it was established that the "right to crime" is not a right, wasn't?

Correct, but read the rest of the option:

“This... this is disgraceful!” states red-faced Rear Admiral <surname>. “These sailors are acting like common hooligans! I say we round them up, court martial the ringleaders and forbid all shore leave for the foreseeable future. Our reputation is at stake here.”

[Verdant Haven]

Answer 1 of 565 institutes educational program against drugs and lowers civil rights. Why? It didn't say people are forced to attain and tact is more like making advertising.

Issue #1312 ("Cranmer vs Cranmer") needs a rework for Cloning Vat nations. I'm not saying custody issues wouldn't arise in a cloning vat nation, but it doesn't work right as it is.

Issue 582 augmented reality shouldn't display for nations that have banned cars, or at the very least the option of putting in more stop signs and traffic lights should be. The idea of Maxemon Woah players getting hit by vehicles often enough for it to become a national issue is kinda ridiculous in a car free nation.

#222, "Terrorists Strike City Centre"
I feel like this should have a 'Allows Automobiles' validity check? How is anyone blowing up cars in a car-free nation? lol

This is a good batch of reports here - thanks all. With older issues in particular, we can run into situations where the issue was written long before the policy it conflicts with existed, or there has been a change in how we use stats over time. Others it's just tough to balance the desire to allow nations to experience as many issues as possible with the need to have them all make sense! I'll bring these up with the team and see what we can sort out.

[Haganham]

in 1531 the second option suggest implmenting flat taxs. But currently have them, or at least my nation page doesn't say my taxes are "higher for the rich" or whatever it is it says when you implement a progressive tax.

[St Lyaos]

This is a good batch of reports here - thanks all. With older issues in particular, we can run into situations where the issue was written long before the policy it conflicts with existed, or there has been a change in how we use stats over time. Others it's just tough to balance the desire to allow nations to experience as many issues as possible with the need to have them all make sense! I'll bring these up with the team and see what we can sort out.

Thanks for checking them out!

Also, just because I saw it at the top of this page, I wanted to say I also brought up the "private property conflict in a socialist nation?" question for #198, but in Unusual Issue Effects. (This is because I was annoyed/confused about the issue effects more than the potential incompatibility with Socialism as a policy, but I bring that up in my post as well.)

[Brezzia]

Issue #1,014 says "a significant percentage of the population continues to have religious beliefs", but I have 1.54 of Religiousness, while Secularism is 99.29. Maybe it needs an alternative for nations with very low religion.

Issue #1097's answer 1 makes brawler sailors face martial court and lowers civil rights, but it was established that the "right to crime" is not a right, wasn't?

Correct, but read the rest of the option:

“This... this is disgraceful!” states red-faced Rear Admiral <surname>. “These sailors are acting like common hooligans! I say we round them up, court martial the ringleaders and forbid all shore leave for the foreseeable future. Our reputation is at stake here.”

Ok, I understand now that shore leave were forbidden to all sailors, not only the guilty ones.

Issue #959's answer 1 makes music classes mandatory for all student and lowers civil rights. Does it means that mandatory school attendance is a severe violation of civil rights in nationstates? I made jokes about school being like prison too, but it's obviously a ridiculous simile.

[Steelfeather Rapture 1]

Issue #1487 ("O Fortuna!") needs a validity check to make sure it isn't arising in a nation with a negative gambling industry.

[Steelfeather Rapture 2]

Issue #995 has a mention of crocodile hide bootstraps on response #3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a ban on the wearing and manufacture of fur apparel (as exists in Steelfeather Rapture 2) should extend to banning crocodile hide as well. Perhaps that could be replaced with some other expensive material?