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Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:44 pm**

The issue "Little Pizza History" involves a private commercial entity proposing to dismantle a presumably state-owned building for the purpose of establishing a presumably privately-operated fast food establishment. This shouldn't happen in a socialist nation. I strongly suspect that it needs either a validity check to only happen in nations with capitalism, or else it needs some kind of rewrite to become socialist-kosher.

Posted: **Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:05 pm**

Issue #175 Is @@NAME@@ Too Promiscuous? just occurred in my nation despite cloning vats. Cuckoldry really shouldn't be an issue in the Wind and Void Rapture Community; the people are sterile anyways. I think you should either add a validity check that blocks the issue where cloning vats are in place, or else add another option for cloning vat nations that blows off the issue in-character. I vote for the extra option. There should be someone who can come up with a nationstates-tier joke about cloning vats to add another effect line to the game with.

P.S. When can the option that leads to "is notorious for its citizens' infidelity" reduce civil rights? If it was a pure civil rights increaser, I would've just used it, but if it can sometimes lower civil rights I'd rather dismiss the issue...

Posted: **Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:15 am**

"Milky Ways" Issue #714

This issue shouldn't occur for nations with cloning vats, because of this issue effect from option #1: increasing numbers of children in @@NAME@@ have different eye and hair color to their supposed fathers
While that kind of shift would make sense in a liberal cloning regime, it wouldn't make sense for it to have anything to do with subsidizing milk distribution.

Posted: **Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:07 pm**

Issue #1240 should require atheism/high secularism, or should at least be unavailable for highly religious nations. Otherwise the part where it says "The nation’s staunchly religious policies and culture, however, are a stark contrast to your nation’s avowed secularism." doesn't make sense.

Posted: **Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:22 pm**

Issue #1091, The Great Divide, about immigrant families being separated in detention centres, has been offered to my country despite my "no prisons" policy

Posted: **Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:23 pm**

Steelfeather Rapture 1 wrote:The issue "Little Pizza History" involves a private commercial entity proposing to dismantle a presumably state-owned building for the purpose of establishing a presumably privately-operated fast food establishment. This shouldn't happen in a socialist nation. I strongly suspect that it needs either a validity check to only happen in nations with capitalism, or else it needs some kind of rewrite to become socialist-kosher.

The restaurant chain could also be state-owned.

Wind and Void Rapture 1 wrote:Issue #175 Is @@NAME@@ Too Promiscuous? just occurred in my nation despite cloning vats. Cuckoldry really shouldn't be an issue in the Wind and Void Rapture Community; the people are sterile anyways. I think you should either add a validity check that blocks the issue where cloning vats are in place, or else add another option for cloning vat nations that blows off the issue in-character. I vote for the extra option. There should be someone who can come up with a nationstates-tier joke about cloning vats to add another effect line to the game with.

As in Brave New World, having cloning vats doesn't prevent recreational sex. There's a separate policy when that is banned - and you don't appear to have enacted it.

Wind and Void Rapture 1 wrote:"Milky Ways" Issue #714

This issue shouldn't occur for nations with cloning vats, because of this issue effect from option #1: increasing numbers of children in @@NAME@@ have different eye and hair color to their supposed fathers
While that kind of shift would make sense in a liberal cloning regime, it wouldn't make sense for it to have anything to do with subsidizing milk distribution.

I will discuss this with the other editors.

Pangurstan wrote:Issue #1240 should require atheism/high secularism, or should at least be unavailable for highly religious nations. Otherwise the part where it says "The nation’s staunchly religious policies and culture, however, are a stark contrast to your nation’s avowed secularism." doesn't make sense.

The intro text refers to the "theocratic nation of Sacerdia," whose "staunchly religious policies and culture... are a stark contrast to your nation's avowed secularism." Your nation leans toward secularism, so you qualify for this issue.

I'm not seeing a problem here.

Nanualele wrote:Issue #1091, The Great Divide, about immigrant families being separated in detention centres, has been offered to my country despite my "no prisons" policy

I will discuss this with the other editors.

Posted: **Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:40 am**

Issue #174 ("Maternity Leave a Must, Say Mothers") needs a socialism-compatibility rewrite. Option #2 speaks of "avaricious fat cats" even in a socialist nation like Steelfeather Rapture 2. Option #3 speaks of "pay the companies for lost revenue" which doesn't make sense in a state-operated economy. The basic issue of maternity leave DOES make sense in a socialist economy and it WOULD still substantially impact the economy, so I think the issue should be adjusted to provide different text to socialist nations.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:05 am**

Issue #286 (Super-Sized Pizzas Recipe for Disaster?) needs a socialism-compatibility rewrite or just a new validity check. It talks of a fast food chain with a public relations division, something I doubt a public fast food chain would have. Option #1 talks about "companies", which shouldn't happen in a totally socialist economy. Worse, option #2 talks about "and their owners forced to pay reparations to their victims". That REALLY can't happen in an economy with capitalism banned, because the "publicly-operated" fast food restaurants wouldn't have owners to fine. Option #3 talks about a public relations division, which shouldn't happen. Option #4 talks about "start-up moolah", which isn't how I expect starting a public chain to work in a socialist economy unless it is distinctly corrupt. Every option on this issue has some reference to capitalism, so the whole issue was clearly written with the assumption that it would only go to capitalist nations.

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:56 am**

Issue #158 ("Regarding Robbers' Rights") shouldn't happen in nations that ban private property. "The Household Defence Alliance is lobbying for the right to kill anyone who trespasses on private property." is how the issue is introduced.

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:50 am**

Issue #580 (@@NAME@@ Taking Leave of Its Census?) gave me the headline "Dissident Speaker Missing, Presumed Impaled" when I made a choice that preserve civil rights (which are VERY advanced in Wind and Void Rapture 1). As killings of dissident speakers would be a VERY SERIOUS civil rights issue, and the choice I made to preserve civil rights did not increase civil rights, this issue may need a review to make sure that it doesn't kill dissidents in that way in nations with high civil rights. Potentially, it may need a validity check so that it doesn't occur at all when the choice that preserves civil rights can't further increase civil rights, because the issue logically shouldn't arise if the government already isn't being invasive.

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:43 pm**

Issue 582 assumes I have cars and that pedestrians are being hit by them

I in fact to not have cars

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2022 5:50 pm**

Wind and Void Rapture 1 wrote:Issue #580 (@@NAME@@ Taking Leave of Its Census?) gave me the headline "Dissident Speaker Missing, Presumed Impaled" when I made a choice that preserve civil rights (which are VERY advanced in Wind and Void Rapture 1). As killings of dissident speakers would be a VERY SERIOUS civil rights issue, and the choice I made to preserve civil rights did not increase civil rights, this issue may need a review to make sure that it doesn't kill dissidents in that way in nations with high civil rights.

Headlines aren't coded directly into an issue, they're randomly generated from a rough analysis of stat effects. So they can be a little weird sometimes.

Also, technically the headline isn't actually saying that the dissident was impaled, just that that's what the newspaper is guessing. I never managed to figure out which stat this headline is actually tied to, so it'd possible it's supposed to be a joke about newspapers jumping to over-sensational conclusions, or a demonstration of your nation having enough press freedom that newspapers are allowed to criticize the government like that. (Note that there is also a "Dissident Speaker Missing, Presumed Vacationing" headline, which is at least in some ways spookier.)

I've seen more incongruous headlines, especially on my crazy testing puppet.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:57 am**

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:The issues have just been updated with a load of fixes - spelling, wording, stats, validities, macros etc. However, I'm sure there are other errors out there, and we'll probably add plenty more misteaks to the game in the coming months.

Therefore, if you think there's something in an issue that needs to be changed or fixed, post here to let us know.

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Edit from Candlewhisper Archive, 2017:

Please use this thread only for reporting visible objective errors in grammar, spelling, punctuation and for suspected problems with validities, macros and the like.

Unexpected stat effects from option selections should go here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=370351

Complaints about the narrative or structure of the issues should be discussed in their own threads. Start in The Writer's Block, generally.

On American / British English:

NS doesn't use a single style guide, but the editors have a certain agreement on style elements that we stick to.

One decision that has historically been made is that neither British or American spellings or grammar are considered to be dominant. Instead, an Issue should be in the spelling and grammar of the Issue's author's home nation.

This means that spellings should be internally consistent within an issue, but need not be consistent across the whole issue base.

Before you report any spelling or grammar error, it's worth checking if it is a British/American thing.

Concert halls sport signs proclaiming "No Shorts, Sandals or Swastikas"
The above text is a direct copy paste of 'The Talking Point' from an issue.
The problem I have with the statement above is that, it is insensitive to my religion, Hinduism. A Swastika is a very sacred symbol to us Hindus and I would like to have the statement above replace the "Swastika" with the word "Hakenkreuz", the term used by the Nazis. If you think that my statement has no value, then, I would like to point out the fact that Justin Trudeau was once told by the Indian government to not confuse the Swastika with a Hakenkreuz since that spreads misinformation. I hope that the issue is edited and that you accept my humble request.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:44 am**

Steelfeather Rapture 2 wrote:Issue #174 ("Maternity Leave a Must, Say Mothers") needs a socialism-compatibility rewrite. Option #2 speaks of "avaricious fat cats" even in a socialist nation like Steelfeather Rapture 2. Option #3 speaks of "pay the companies for lost revenue" which doesn't make sense in a state-operated economy. The basic issue of maternity leave DOES make sense in a socialist economy and it WOULD still substantially impact the economy, so I think the issue should be adjusted to provide different text to socialist nations.

"Avaricious fat-cats" is a term of speech and can stay.

Option three now has a doppelganger that refers to "employers".

Wind and Void Rapture 1 wrote:Issue #286 (Super-Sized Pizzas Recipe for Disaster?) needs a socialism-compatibility rewrite or just a new validity check. It talks of a fast food chain with a public relations division, something I doubt a public fast food chain would have. Option #1 talks about "companies", which shouldn't happen in a totally socialist economy. Worse, option #2 talks about "and their owners forced to pay reparations to their victims". That REALLY can't happen in an economy with capitalism banned, because the "publicly-operated" fast food restaurants wouldn't have owners to fine. Option #3 talks about a public relations division, which shouldn't happen. Option #4 talks about "start-up moolah", which isn't how I expect starting a public chain to work in a socialist economy unless it is distinctly corrupt. Every option on this issue has some reference to capitalism, so the whole issue was clearly written with the assumption that it would only go to capitalist nations.

I was inclined to agree, until I reread the issue. Chains -- even fast-food chains -- can operate in socialist states (McDonalds went into the Soviet Union in the 80s). Before that, Pepsi traded in the Soviet Union. There were department stores that would have needed funding from somewhere (likely the government) to start up. It's not out of the realms of reality for them -- at least the international brands -- to have local P.R. people.

I do agree on "owners" however, and have changed that to "operators".

Steelfeather Rapture 1 wrote:Issue #158 ("Regarding Robbers' Rights") shouldn't happen in nations that ban private property. "The Household Defence Alliance is lobbying for the right to kill anyone who trespasses on private property." is how the issue is introduced.

I'll take this one into discussion.

Wind and Void Rapture 1 wrote:Issue #580 (@@NAME@@ Taking Leave of Its Census?) gave me the headline "Dissident Speaker Missing, Presumed Impaled" when I made a choice that preserve civil rights (which are VERY advanced in Wind and Void Rapture 1). As killings of dissident speakers would be a VERY SERIOUS civil rights issue, and the choice I made to preserve civil rights did not increase civil rights, this issue may need a review to make sure that it doesn't kill dissidents in that way in nations with high civil rights. Potentially, it may need a validity check so that it doesn't occur at all when the choice that preserves civil rights can't further increase civil rights, because the issue logically shouldn't arise if the government already isn't being invasive.

As Trott says, newspaper headlines are automatically generated and are not related to the issue per se.

Islands Of Ventro wrote:Issue 582 assumes I have cars and that pedestrians are being hit by them

I in fact to not have cars

It says "vehicles", which can mean anything -- including a horse and cart.

A speeding horse could easily inflict as much damage on a pedestrian as a car.

Aratartopia wrote:Concert halls sport signs proclaiming "No Shorts, Sandals or Swastikas"
The above text is a direct copy paste of 'The Talking Point' from an issue.
The problem I have with the statement above is that, it is insensitive to my religion, Hinduism. A Swastika is a very sacred symbol to us Hindus and I would like to have the statement above replace the "Swastika" with the word "Hakenkreuz", the term used by the Nazis. If you think that my statement has no value, then, I would like to point out the fact that Justin Trudeau was once told by the Indian government to not confuse the Swastika with a Hakenkreuz since that spreads misinformation. I hope that the issue is edited and that you accept my humble request.

I've taken this backstage to discuss with the other editors.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:22 am**

When I answered issue #123 on my puppet nation The Last Dragon Chronicles, I chose option #1, which gives the effect "Human tissue is grown in vats as a delicacy as well as for transplants." However, when I scrolled down for the stats, it bewildered me that cannibalism was not implemented as a policy. I checked that I didn't already have it, and I indeed didn't already have it.

Why is this so? Methinks choosing this option should enable legal cannibalism. Human tissue/meat is human tissue/meat, no the source.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:02 pm**

Answer 3 to issue #174 says "Perhaps we can allow for six months of paid maternity leave, but have the government pay their employers for the lost revenue?", even in nations with Socialism policy.

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:47 pm**

Issue # 1,181 (Jolly Jousting Japes) doesn't have a reasonable anti-jousting response. I don't know if it's because my nation reinstated contact sports, but even then, do we really need to go straight to jousting? I feel like a fifth debate answer should go along the lines of "are you nuts" to the other four in support of jousting, even if it brings back the "no contact sports" policy. I know the issues are cynical, but to not allow an argument from all sides of the debate sounds like a mistake

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:57 am**

The Free Joy State wrote:
Aratartopia wrote:Concert halls sport signs proclaiming "No Shorts, Sandals or Swastikas"
The above text is a direct copy paste of 'The Talking Point' from an issue.
The problem I have with the statement above is that, it is insensitive to my religion, Hinduism. A Swastika is a very sacred symbol to us Hindus and I would like to have the statement above replace the "Swastika" with the word "Hakenkreuz", the term used by the Nazis. If you think that my statement has no value, then, I would like to point out the fact that Justin Trudeau was once told by the Indian government to not confuse the Swastika with a Hakenkreuz since that spreads misinformation. I hope that the issue is edited and that you accept my humble request.

I've taken this backstage to discuss with the other editors.

Just to update on this - a number of editors took part in this discussion, and unanimously decided to leave the issue as it. Not only is it alliteratively better than swapping it to Hakenkreuz, "swastika" is far more recognisable as a term to the player base as a whole. Given that the option itself decries the fact that far-right fascists have adopted what was supposed to be an innocent symbol - in this case, an anthem - and want to "reclaim" it, we think it's appropriate to keep the term in the result, especially as it suggests there's a double standard being applied.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:20 pm**

Panagouge wrote:When I answered issue #123 on my puppet nation The Last Dragon Chronicles, I chose option #1, which gives the effect "Human tissue is grown in vats as a delicacy as well as for transplants." However, when I scrolled down for the stats, it bewildered me that cannibalism was not implemented as a policy. I checked that I didn't already have it, and I indeed didn't already have it.

Why is this so? Methinks choosing this option should enable legal cannibalism. Human tissue/meat is human tissue/meat, not the source.

Not an editor here, just a user, so don't swing the hammer on me, staff

Now, I can only guess that cannibalism would apply legally if it is direct, however, I do think it should be changed so that there's less confusion and more of an impact from the result beyond just laughing it off with zero policy changes.

Regardless, that also seems odd... Never had that happen to me, ever.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:24 pm**

#1442 “A Green Bill of Health” option 2/3 produces some very hardly explainable results- in case of my nation genetically enhancing fruits to be resistant to an illness has somehow raised the death rate by 0.06%, increased the income of the rich by 0.65%, all while decreasing the outcome of the poor by a whopping 0.57%. I though that using science to deal with economical issues (illness destroying plants being the issue) should increase everyone’s outcome, not vice versa! And why did the death rate go up? Since when are the GMO’s dangerous?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:28 pm**

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:#1442 “A Green Bill of Health” option 2/3 produces some very hardly explainable results- in case of my nation genetically enhancing fruits to be resistant to an illness has somehow raised the death rate by 0.06%, increased the income of the rich by 0.65%, all while decreasing the outcome of the poor by a whopping 0.57%. I though that using science to deal with economical issues (illness destroying plants being the issue) should increase everyone’s outcome, not vice versa! And why did the death rate go up? Since when are the GMO’s dangerous?

I've done the same issue with the same option in the past; I believe the change in income is a result of economic freedom increasing. Higher economic freedom usually leads to higher income inequality which is why the income of the rich went up and the income of the right went down. Did the issue effect your tax spending at all? I believe it caused mine to go down and that could account for the tiny change to the death rate (less public health or law enforcement spending).

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:35 am**

The description of 1469 should read "No fewer" rather than "no less"

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:29 am**

For issue 1068, while the last option (option 3) offers the solution of abolishing planned obsolescence, it then skips over that entirely and (per NS issues and MWQS) installs Socialism, removes Capitalism, and has a mild chance of adding AI Planning. The other two options are simply "push on companies to have a lifetime warranty" or "remove warranties entirely" to spare one from the (awkwardly written) policy change (or just "disregard" to skip over any possible changes in stats).

However, it would be nice if perhaps there was a fourth option for Capitalist countries to simply abolish planned obsolescence without changing policies (and in turn adding the stat modifiers that apply for a Socialist economic policy, removing the Capitalist modifiers).

Posted: **Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:06 pm**

Issue #1071 (Up the Creek) needs a socialism-compatibility rewrite on Option #3.

“Oh, cry me a river,” advises Eduardo Kelly, a civil engineer, whilst pulling out a map. “We can just build a new canal connecting our portion of the river to the sea.” He draws on the map with a marker. “This could be the route. If we give grants to nearby inland towns, they could expand out to the banks of the canal and become port cities! Sure, the proposed route runs through land that isn’t owned by our government, but that’s what diplomacy and money are for! It’s a win-win-win!”

Intuitively, I would expect this to mean buying out private property. If it instead refers to expanding the nation's territorial claims via buying land, that would be... surprising. Hm. Come to think of it, it probably does refer to expanding territorial claims via buying land. Maybe it could be rewritten to be clearer what the issue option actually refers to? Such as by replacing the underlined portion with land that is owned by other governments?

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:11 pm**

Issue #674 (Let Them Eat Rainbow Cake!) needs a socialism-compatibility review. It refers to "the restaurant owners" in its introduction, while the first option has a character ask, "What about my economic rights as a business owner?”

P.S. Please change your "random" name selector, as the third option (which betrays liberalism) was "randomly" assigned to "Judas". The top one, which defends the rights of business owners, was "randomly" assigned to "Rand".

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