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The Free Joy State
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:12 am

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The Free Joy State wrote:Fixed. Thanks for the report.

I think it should be allowed. It's still used in formal and upper class English quite a lot, so I don't think that it should be removed.

It's already gone. The sentence is perfectly fine without it.

Unless some other editor wants to put it back in, I'm not playing the hokey-cokey for the sake of the word "of".
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Candlewhisper Archive
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:47 pm

Better without the "of", I think.

"Of no consequence" sounds fine, but "of no coincidence" sounds wrong to me, and an exact phrase google search of "it is of no coincidence" turns up matches only in obscure publications and books, suggesting that the usage is not a common one. While the meaning of that phrase can be intuited, the option works as well (if not better) by just saying "it is no coincidence".
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Postby South Orkney » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:11 am

#821- A Switch In Time Kills Nine

If I'm not mistaken, the option #1 eliminates Daylight Savings Time and implies the nation will now observe Standard Time year round, or at least that was the intention. If so, its effect "Grumbling early morning commuters bemoan having to travel to work in the dark" appears to be incorrect.

To illustrate what I mean, look at the sunrise times in Houston, TX, a mid-latitude city in the US (which observes DST) on the day before DST comes into effect (the last day of standard time) and the first day of DST:

March 9th 2019 (Standard Time): Sunrise- 6:38 AM
March 10th 2019 (Daylight Savings Time): Sunrise- 7:37 AM

source: https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/houston?month=3

As illustrated, DST causes sunrise to happen 1 hour later according to the clock, so the first mornings of DST are always very dark. If you abolished DST, you would have lighter mornings, not darker ones.

ex.

March 9th 2019 (Standard Time): Sunrise- 6:38 AM
March 10th 2019 (Standard Time): Sunrise- 6:37 AM

If you observed Standard Time year-round, you'd have very dark commutes back home in the winter and no time to be outside in the evening when it is light out, not dark mornings.

If you are skeptical and think that my American example may not be typical of DST around the world, here is a similar chart for the month of March in Dublin, Ireland illustrating the same phenomenon occurring:

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/ireland/dublin?month=3

In short the issue should be changed to reflect the factual reality of DST however it is seen fit to do so.

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Candlewhisper Archive
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:44 am

Good point.

Changed to:

grumbling evening commuters bemoan having to travel home from work in the dark

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:54 am

South Orkney wrote:If you observed Standard Time year-round, you'd have very dark commutes back home in the winter and no time to be outside in the evening when it is light out, not dark mornings.
If you observed Standard Time year-round, you'd experience exactly the same in the winter as if you didn't, since DST applies to the summer. This might include dark commutes back home, but they're not something new, they're something that would already have been happening even with DST.

What would happen if you abolish DST is that everything which happens in the summer happens one hour later. This doesn't lead to any more being-in-the-dark than you would have had when using DST (sure, summer nightfall comes earlier than it would under DST, but still later than it does in winter), but what does happen is that you miss out on a period of daylight in the morning because you're still asleep while it's perfectly sunny out. If you don't have curtains, this might lead to the sunlight annoying you, but it's not like curtains are hard to come by.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:03 am

Yeah... that sounds logical too.

Hmm.

Okay, I'm lost. What would be an effect line that works, then?

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Postby South Orkney » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:30 pm

What Trotterdam says is true, but it is just as incorrect to have abolishing DST lead to dark mornings since abolishing DST would do just the opposite, so as long as that is repaired, the issue would be improved. I don't know what you would write... this issue assumes that the nation was using normal Summer DST/Winter Standard time to begin with, so it would have dark winter evenings. And "the sun rises at 3:00 AM in July in @NATION@" isn't very compelling plus it assumes a lot about the location of the nation in its time zone as well as its latitude.

Is there any activity people or at least a group of people tend to do before dawn? Because then you could joke about how difficult that would be with the early summer sun or something to that effect.

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:37 pm

South Orkney wrote:Is there any activity people or at least a group of people tend to do before dawn?
...Sleeping?

It kind of has to be an outdoors activity to matter, though.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:00 pm

Thank you for your input. We'll take this backstage and update you on the situation in due course.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:46 am

Yep, cheers guys. We'll work something out in the team.

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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:43 am

I'm amused it takes this much effort to come up with a plausible downside for abolishing DST, even when allowing parodic exaggeration.

And people wonder why I oppose DST :)

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:39 am

Totally agree there. For the UK, it was basically a combination of status quo bias and misplaced patriotism that had the last attempt to get rid of it fail. If it had been called "Adjusted Summer Time" rather than "British Summer Time", we'd be rid of it by now.

Anyway, back on topic, we had a little forum on it and have put in a brand new effect line, which I won't spoil.

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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:54 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Anyway, back on topic, we had a little forum on it and have put in a brand new effect line, which I won't spoil.
Spotted it already.

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:38 am

Effect line "the @@CAPITAL@@ Film Festival recently voted '@@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Getting Hit By Football' as best film" should use @@DEMONYMNOUN@@.

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The Free Joy State
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:49 am

Trotterdam wrote:Effect line "the @@CAPITAL@@ Film Festival recently voted '@@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ Getting Hit By Football' as best film" should use @@DEMONYMNOUN@@.

Fixed.

In future, if you told us the issue it came from, it would help a lot.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:39 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:In future, if you told us the issue it came from, it would help a lot.
I don't know which issue it came from, as it hasn't been reported yet. If I knew, I would have said it.

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Postby Merni » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:29 am

Trotterdam wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:In future, if you told us the issue it came from, it would help a lot.
I don't know which issue it came from, as it hasn't been reported yet. If I knew, I would have said it.

If you saw the effect line after choosing an option on the issue, then the URL should have the issue number in it, as well as the newspaper clippings (which say, for example, VOL. 30 NO. 123 where 123 is the issue number)

If you saw it on the National Happenings thing, though, I don't think there's any way to check the issue number.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:13 am

Merni wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:I don't know which issue it came from, as it hasn't been reported yet. If I knew, I would have said it.

If you saw the effect line after choosing an option on the issue, then the URL should have the issue number in it, as well as the newspaper clippings (which say, for example, VOL. 30 NO. 123 where 123 is the issue number)

If you saw it on the National Happenings thing, though, I don't think there's any way to check the issue number.


Trotterdam has this big data-collection program going on that identifies issue options by their effect lines, so he'll often see effect lines before he sees issues personally.

Still, Trotterdam, if in future there's a reason you can't say which issue the line comes from, then say so up front, and then we know it's not just an error of omission, and everyone is happy.

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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:08 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Still, Trotterdam, if in future there's a reason you can't say which issue the line comes from, then say so up front, and then we know it's not just an error of omission, and everyone is happy.
*shrug* I'm not some newbie here. As literally the biggest and most detailed provider of information on issues, I'd really hoped you could trust me to share obviously-relevant information when I can.

Still, I guess I can try to remember that if it would make you feel better.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:18 am

Yep, it's best to have one rule for all, no matter how well-established the individual is. Thanks!

Nothing wrong with being a newbie either, of course. Lots of our best authors are new to the game. Best if old hands like yourself set a good example for them, eh?
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Postby Sanctaria » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:11 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Still, Trotterdam, if in future there's a reason you can't say which issue the line comes from, then say so up front, and then we know it's not just an error of omission, and everyone is happy.
As literally the biggest and most detailed provider of information on issues, I'd really hoped you could trust me to share obviously-relevant information when I can.

I noticed CWA let this slide, but I'm going to step in here on behalf of the Editing Team and say, no.

The biggest providers of information on issues are members of the Issues Editing Team. If players/nations have questions on issues, it should be directed at us. If they have concerns, they should be directed to us. Not to you.

New players, and indeed old players, are directed to this forum and to this topic when they have concerns about existing issues. It's has the potential to be misleading at the very least when regular players such as yourself claim to be the biggest provider of information on issues. It's great that you volunteer your time to spend on collating issues, but you can not and should not make these claims.
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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:00 am

#528 is written as "A woman...", but the name I got in option 1 which refers to her seemed masculine. Can you make sure #FEMALENAME# is used there?
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Postby Sanctaria » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:03 am

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:#528 is written as "A woman...", but the name I got in option 1 which refers to her seemed masculine. Can you make sure #FEMALENAME# is used there?

The code looks right to me - what were the examples you got?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:52 pm

One post has been deemed bad faith and has such been removed from public view. Arguments about issues can be made without the sour grapes and nonconstructive potshots at site staff.

Please be reminded that we are authorized by [violet] to remove bad faith posts from public view outright and relocate them to the evidence locker:
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:59 pm

Sanctaria's post was also in bad faith, making demonstrably outright incorrect claims about editor helpfulness, and rudely dismissing without basis how much I have actually managed to figure out about this game. Deleting my post and not his demonstrates unfair bias.

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