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The Free Joy State
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:16 am

Trotterdam wrote:Can you have another look at #1122/#1124 (or whichever number this ended up being)? I think the validity is bugged. Nobody's gotten it except for the author, even nations who meet the suggested trigger in the draft thread.

Yep, I see what that is.

Fixing now.

EDIT: Fixed.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:54 am

Hmm, strange.

1124 is hard to get, but should have been some nations getting it. Code looks fine.

Edit: Ah right, got it. It was bust, but Free Joy State has fixed it. Should work from now.
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Postby Fauxia » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:11 pm

Can’t be sure about the numbering quite but I believe it’s 1129.2- should be bourgeois concept, not bourgeoisie concept, I think- it’s an adjective.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:09 am

Fauxia wrote:Can’t be sure about the numbering quite but I believe it’s 1129.2- should be bourgeois concept, not bourgeoisie concept, I think- it’s an adjective.


thx, fixed
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Hurjaki
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Postby Hurjaki » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:01 am

Issue 104 Option 1 mentions voting, but works also in regimes like mine where no elections exist at all.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:25 am

Hurjaki wrote:Issue 104 Option 1 mentions voting, but works also in regimes like mine where no elections exist at all.


Good point. Fixed.
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The Ursine Northlands
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#1134

Postby The Ursine Northlands » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:26 am

After Brancaland announced an increase in tariffs on all goods imported from abroad, several other countries retaliated by doing the same thing to Brancalandian goods. They now expect a response from The Ursine Northlands.

(Option 1) “Let’s just do what everyone else is doing and increase tariffs on Brancalandian imports,” suggests your Trade Minister, Kimberly Pelosi. “The Brancs rely heavily on us to supply them with iron, copper, and other raw materials. When they have to start paying through the nose for them, I’m sure they’ll see sense and reconsider their own tariff increase.”

(option 2) “If we raise tariffs as well, that will surely increase the cost of goods for consumers!” panics Ranil Watson, your Economic Advisor. “We need to work with the Brancalandians, not against them. So we should actually lower tariffs in an attempt to get them to buy more from us; once they see that we’re giving them a fair deal, they might even lower their tariffs for us. They get to trade more goods, we get to trade more goods, and the average Bear reaps the savings. Everyone wins!”

This doesn't make sense: It's Brancaland's' own tariffs on imports which are already pushing up the price of the materials that you export to them, whereas you putting tariffs on the goods which you import from Brancaland wouldn't affect the cost of your exports to them... and you lowering your tariffs on imports from them doesn't make your exports to them cheaper.
To make those first two options work properly, you need to have Brancaland (and the nations responding to it) taxing their exports rather than their imports.
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Postby Fluffard » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:06 am

1130 needs... punctuation after "matter".

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Postby Chief Alpaca » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:29 am

I just had issue 333 (No Sacrifice, No Sacrifice At All), and selected the final option, which includes the text "It’s time we recognized that, as a forward-thinking people, we can no longer afford to allow the practice of any religion." I was a little surprised to find that this didn't actually trigger the Atheism policy, which is what I was hoping and expecting it to do. I'm not sure if that is an error, or simply me having high hopes for something that wasn't intended, but I wanted to double-check!

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:41 am

Chief Alpaca wrote:I just had issue 333 (No Sacrifice, No Sacrifice At All), and selected the final option, which includes the text "It’s time we recognized that, as a forward-thinking people, we can no longer afford to allow the practice of any religion." I was a little surprised to find that this didn't actually trigger the Atheism policy, which is what I was hoping and expecting it to do. I'm not sure if that is an error, or simply me having high hopes for something that wasn't intended, but I wanted to double-check!

The 'Atheism' policy is what they call a "pseudo-policy": Instead of being triggered by a single event, it's based on stat values.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:48 am

Fluffard wrote:1130 needs... punctuation after "matter".

Fixed.

Chief Alpaca wrote:I just had issue 333 (No Sacrifice, No Sacrifice At All), and selected the final option, which includes the text "It’s time we recognized that, as a forward-thinking people, we can no longer afford to allow the practice of any religion." I was a little surprised to find that this didn't actually trigger the Atheism policy, which is what I was hoping and expecting it to do. I'm not sure if that is an error, or simply me having high hopes for something that wasn't intended, but I wanted to double-check!

This issue does already make you lean very strongly atheistic. But I do see why "we can no longer afford to allow the practice of any religion" does suggest the atheism policy.

I'll take it backstage and discuss this for the future.

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Chief Alpaca wrote:I just had issue 333 (No Sacrifice, No Sacrifice At All), and selected the final option, which includes the text "It’s time we recognized that, as a forward-thinking people, we can no longer afford to allow the practice of any religion." I was a little surprised to find that this didn't actually trigger the Atheism policy, which is what I was hoping and expecting it to do. I'm not sure if that is an error, or simply me having high hopes for something that wasn't intended, but I wanted to double-check!

The 'Atheism' policy is what they call a "pseudo-policy": Instead of being triggered by a single event, it's based on stat values.

While the Atheism and Theocracy policies are pseudo-policies, and triggered and deactivated based on stat values, somewhat unpredictably (as outlined in the OP of the Unusual Effects Thread -- which is the best place to look for these queries, Chief Alpaca), it is possible to force them -- we usually do not (so don't start asking us to, good GI people) because stats are guided by set operational rules.

But this wording does suggesting Atheism, so it's worth raising.
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Postby Flanderloin » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:17 pm

Just answered #369 where I deregulated employment. It gave me an effect of 'emigration to countries with labour laws is all the rage', but I have the no emigration policy.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:22 pm

Flanderloin wrote:Just answered #369 where I deregulated employment. It gave me an effect of 'emigration to countries with labour laws is all the rage', but I have the no emigration policy.

The line now reads "clandestine emigration to countries with labour laws is all the rage", which can imply that it's just secretive or that it's done illegally.

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Postby Flanderloin » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:53 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Flanderloin wrote:Just answered #369 where I deregulated employment. It gave me an effect of 'emigration to countries with labour laws is all the rage', but I have the no emigration policy.

The line now reads "clandestine emigration to countries with labour laws is all the rage", which can imply that it's just secretive or that it's done illegally.

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That was seriously quick, and that makes me feel even worse about this reply time. It took me until another year, I feel I should bury my head (hopefully in pizza, but shame works just as well).

Thanks anyway for the super quick fix, and here's to a new issue chain in 2019.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:09 am

The Ursine Northlands wrote:
After Brancaland announced an increase in tariffs on all goods imported from abroad, several other countries retaliated by doing the same thing to Brancalandian goods. They now expect a response from The Ursine Northlands.

(Option 1) “Let’s just do what everyone else is doing and increase tariffs on Brancalandian imports,” suggests your Trade Minister, Kimberly Pelosi. “The Brancs rely heavily on us to supply them with iron, copper, and other raw materials. When they have to start paying through the nose for them, I’m sure they’ll see sense and reconsider their own tariff increase.”

(option 2) “If we raise tariffs as well, that will surely increase the cost of goods for consumers!” panics Ranil Watson, your Economic Advisor. “We need to work with the Brancalandians, not against them. So we should actually lower tariffs in an attempt to get them to buy more from us; once they see that we’re giving them a fair deal, they might even lower their tariffs for us. They get to trade more goods, we get to trade more goods, and the average Bear reaps the savings. Everyone wins!”

This doesn't make sense: It's Brancaland's' own tariffs on imports which are already pushing up the price of the materials that you export to them, whereas you putting tariffs on the goods which you import from Brancaland wouldn't affect the cost of your exports to them... and you lowering your tariffs on imports from them doesn't make your exports to them cheaper.
To make those first two options work properly, you need to have Brancaland (and the nations responding to it) taxing their exports rather than their imports.


Will discuss this backstage, as what you're saying does make sense.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:08 am

While responding to another player's question today, I noticed that one of the NPC nations that has occasionally been mentioned is spelled/gendered incorrectly.

Issues 706, 1041, and 1042 all feature the nation of Marche Blanc, a rival to Marche Noire. The color is gendered incorrectly here - it should be Marche Blanche, as "marche" is feminine (and the use of "noire" confirms that for the NS world, if that matters). It's hard to provide a good English equivalent to this, since we long ago dropped gendering from most of our nouns, but it would be a similar issue to writing something like "he is an actress." Not world-stopping, but a bit confusing to read.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:44 am

It's weird-looking, but I don't think it's really a problem. These nations aren't explicitly French.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:02 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:It's weird-looking, but I don't think it's really a problem. These nations aren't explicitly French.
Marche Noire was originally Marche Noir too, though, and was updated last year, presumably specifically for the sake of French correctness.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:26 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:It's weird-looking, but I don't think it's really a problem. These nations aren't explicitly French.
Marche Noire was originally Marche Noir too, though, and was updated last year, presumably specifically for the sake of French correctness.


More for consistency, because we were using both forms.

I've no objection to another editor going through and fixing all of these, if they want to.
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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:55 am

I had five minutes. Done.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:09 am

Sanctaria wrote:I had five minutes. Done.


:clap: Nice one.
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Postby Republic of Ravens » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:21 am

#1069, Option 1: shouldn't it be "prevent us FROM?"

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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:25 am

Republic of Ravens wrote:#1069, Option 1: shouldn't it be "prevent us FROM?"

"prevent us being" sounds perfectly acceptable in British English, which the author/editor uses. I don't feel it needs changing.
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Postby Merni » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:37 am

Issue 731, option 1:
“This is a travesty!” yells Nick Jordan, a Marche Noirian asylee and head organizer for the Freedom for Oppressed Peoples’ Initiative. “Mr. Kratt cruelly subjugates our people and maintains power in Marche Noire by sowing seeds of hatred between its various ethnic groups. This is our chance to peaceably remove him. Please, do not allow him to use Merni as a podium to tighten his stranglehold on our people. Emperor Xaranas IV, to show our solidarity for Marche Noirians and oppressed peoples everywhere, we must ban Otto Kratt and every other tin-pot dictator from coming to our country immediately!”

Shouldn't the apostrophe in "Freedom for Oppressed Peoples' Initiative" be removed?
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Postby Hurjaki » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:37 am

Issue 226, option 3 allows residents to resettle in Hurjaki and establishes policy No Emigration.
I also have active policy No Immigration and thought it would be killed by taking that option, but that didn't happen.

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