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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue May 08, 2018 3:11 am

"ancient antique"? Isn't that redundant?

(Effect line, possibly on #989, not sure yet.)

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue May 08, 2018 3:45 am

Trotterdam wrote:"ancient antique"? Isn't that redundant?

(Effect line, possibly on #989, not sure yet.)


"ancient antique swords", in fact.

I say it's not redundant, for several reasons.

First, because they mean different things.
Antique suggests something collectable and of high perceived value because of its age and quality.
Ancient suggests belonging to the distant past, and to an age no longer in existence.

Secondly, because general language usage often pairs these words. e.g.: http://www.ancientantiques.com/

Thirdly, because the combination is aesthetically pleasing and adds emphasis.
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Divine Cervine
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Postby Divine Cervine » Tue May 08, 2018 4:21 pm

I chose option 5 of issue #986 and the first letter of the result was lowercase.

the horniness of the great-horned purple fairy deer is considered a national priority.
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Aibohphobia
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Issue #984

Postby Aibohphobia » Tue May 08, 2018 11:39 pm

Option #2:
pokes the Minster

"Minister"

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 08, 2018 11:47 pm

Divine Cervine wrote:I chose option 5 of issue #986 and the first letter of the result was lowercase.

the horniness of the great-horned purple fairy deer is considered a national priority.


I'm not sure what's happening here, but there does seem to be something going on with this option.

I've raised it backstage.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Aibohphobia wrote:Option #2:
pokes the Minster

"Minister"


Well spotted.

Fixed.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed May 09, 2018 12:52 am

Re: effect line #986, it was simply a double-space instead of a single-space at the start of the effect line. Now fixed.
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed May 09, 2018 7:46 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Re: effect line #986, it was simply a double-space instead of a single-space at the start of the effect line. Now fixed.
Huh. I thought I had code in place to catch these, as I have several times in the past when I reported spurious spaces there. So why did this one appear fine on my end?

Also, did this post get overlooked?
Trotterdam wrote:#304 option 3: should either change the comma after the name to a period, or start the next quote ("but there's...") with a lowercase letter. Option 6 should definitely go with changing the comma to a period.

Meanwhile, in a new effect line (EDIT: #984 6), "hammer and sickle-wielding" is a valiant effort, but I think it would look better going all the way to "hammer-and-sickle-wielding". ("Hammer- and sickle-wielding" is also valid English, but would imply some of them wielding hammers and others wielding sickles, rather than all of them wielding both.)

EDIT: As per Altmer Dominion's report, #984 3 misses a closing quote.

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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Fri May 11, 2018 12:13 pm

In the issue called "Parliamentary Playground" Option 2 leads to the effect line "sleazy politicans exploit the Parliamentary Code of Conduct to purge their rivals."

politicans --> politicians
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Issue 718, option 2:
“This is discrimination!” shouts Gabriel Gray, batting his eyelashes at the Grand Poobah so hard that the force blows out the candles. “VioletistsOnly.com shouldn’t be allowed to suspend our accounts just because we aren’t of the same religion, even if that religion is part of their name. Make the owners reinstate our accounts, even if they don’t want to! This is not about religion. This is about freedom, my freedom as a single man to date whoever I choose! Plus, those purple robes are kind of cute.”

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Postby Candensia » Fri May 11, 2018 7:57 pm

#311

I’m not sure I should be eligible for this issue.


A recent article in The Griswall Naysayer has exposed a dirty little secret: prison wardens have been quietly exporting the organs from executed criminals and pocketing the proceeds. Enraged citizens, particularly victim’s rights organizations, demand retribution.

So, I have the “State Press” policy, and it is somewhat strange that a state controlled body would come out and blast other officials of the state. Just saying. :o
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 12, 2018 2:04 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Re: effect line #986, it was simply a double-space instead of a single-space at the start of the effect line. Now fixed.
Huh. I thought I had code in place to catch these, as I have several times in the past when I reported spurious spaces there. So why did this one appear fine on my end?

Also, did this post get overlooked?
Trotterdam wrote:#304 option 3: should either change the comma after the name to a period, or start the next quote ("but there's...") with a lowercase letter. Option 6 should definitely go with changing the comma to a period.

Meanwhile, in a new effect line (EDIT: #984 6), "hammer and sickle-wielding" is a valiant effort, but I think it would look better going all the way to "hammer-and-sickle-wielding". ("Hammer- and sickle-wielding" is also valid English, but would imply some of them wielding hammers and others wielding sickles, rather than all of them wielding both.)

EDIT: As per Altmer Dominion's report, #984 3 misses a closing quote.


#984.3 seems to have a closing quote now, and I can't see an issue with "hammer and sickle-wielding".

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:In the issue called "Parliamentary Playground" Option 2 leads to the effect line "sleazy politicans exploit the Parliamentary Code of Conduct to purge their rivals."

politicans --> politicians


Well spotted. Thanks.

Cekoviu wrote:Issue 718, option 2:
“This is discrimination!” shouts Gabriel Gray, batting his eyelashes at the Grand Poobah so hard that the force blows out the candles. “VioletistsOnly.com shouldn’t be allowed to suspend our accounts just because we aren’t of the same religion, even if that religion is part of their name. Make the owners reinstate our accounts, even if they don’t want to! This is not about religion. This is about freedom, my freedom as a single man to date whoever I choose! Plus, those purple robes are kind of cute.”

Should be "whomever."


Amended.

Candensia wrote:#311

I’m not sure I should be eligible for this issue.


A recent article in The Griswall Naysayer has exposed a dirty little secret: prison wardens have been quietly exporting the organs from executed criminals and pocketing the proceeds. Enraged citizens, particularly victim’s rights organizations, demand retribution.

So, I have the “State Press” policy, and it is somewhat strange that a state controlled body would come out and blast other officials of the state. Just saying. :o


I'm not sure that this is a problem, as this issue doesn't necessarily -- in my opinion -- have the media coming out against government officials, per se, as there's no requirement for jails to be state-funded. It's possible that the state-controlled media is exposing privately-run prisons.

Let me get back to you on that.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat May 12, 2018 2:30 am

The Free Joy State wrote:I'm not sure that this is a problem, as this issue doesn't necessarily -- in my opinion -- have the media coming out against government officials, per se, as there's no requirement for jails to be state-funded. It's possible that the state-controlled media is exposing privately-run prisons.
Whether or not to have privately-run prisons is itself the topic of an issue (#159), so their existence isn't something that can be assumed without trouble.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 12, 2018 2:33 am

Trotterdam wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I'm not sure that this is a problem, as this issue doesn't necessarily -- in my opinion -- have the media coming out against government officials, per se, as there's no requirement for jails to be state-funded. It's possible that the state-controlled media is exposing privately-run prisons.
Whether or not to have privately-run prisons is itself the topic of an issue (#159), so their existence isn't something that can be assumed without trouble.


The existence of private or state-run prisons is not an official policy, nor something that we specifically track. So, their non-existence cannot be assumed, either.
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat May 12, 2018 7:21 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:In the issue called "Parliamentary Playground" Option 2 leads to the effect line "sleazy politicans exploit the Parliamentary Code of Conduct to purge their rivals."

politicans --> politicians


Well spotted. Thanks.


It still appears as "politicans" on my nation page, though. Is this normal?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 12, 2018 7:49 am

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:

Well spotted. Thanks.


It still appears as "politicans" on my nation page, though. Is this normal?


That's normal. Once you've answered, the line doesn't change (although it should update in any issues folders where people haven't answered it yet).

The line definitely has been updated (I just triple-checked it).
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Postby Frieden-und Freudenland » Sat May 12, 2018 7:51 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:It still appears as "politicans" on my nation page, though. Is this normal?


That's normal. Once you've answered, the line doesn't change (although it should update in any issues folders where people haven't answered it yet).

The line definitely has been updated (I just triple-checked it).

Alright, thanks :)
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Sanctions, Sanctions Everywhere! (An International Incident)

Postby Techolandia » Sat May 12, 2018 6:59 pm

The penultimate second of option 389.1 is: We can embargo the non-essential items, and stick considerable tariffs on the stuff we do need.
Should the last part be on the stuff they do need?

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Postby Phydios » Sat May 12, 2018 9:21 pm

Techolandia wrote:The penultimate second of option 389.1 is: We can embargo the non-essential items, and stick considerable tariffs on the stuff we do need.
Should the last part be on the stuff they do need?

Certainly not. Reading the option shows that it is talking about imports, not exports. So the speaker is proposing a ban on unnecessary imports, and high taxes on necessary ones.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun May 13, 2018 12:34 am

Is it really ever necessary to import from one specific nation? There'll invariably be some other nation selling the same stuff.

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Luminumbra
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Postby Luminumbra » Sun May 13, 2018 2:27 am

In the issue “we who are about to die would like to go home” I elected to have criminals thrown into the coliseum.

I mean I know the result got rid of prisons (which I didn’t intend...but that’s the nature of the game I guess) but my authoritarianism went down. Regardless, I’m not sure how throwing all criminals to their deaths and having others watch decreases authoritarianism. It should raise it. Now citizens truly have a reason to fear committing crime.
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Government: Think democratically elected pope, except it's an unorthodox cult.
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Elites: Fine wines, wax candles, hallways of gold, violet, ruby, emerald. Parties inspired by the Greek God Dionysus. A conservative, elegant, mardi gras all day, every day.
Common Folk: A contrast to the above--Dark, medieval style alleys. Small, cold, metallic apartments, prone to collapse on terrestrial worlds, or platforms prone to falling to the depths on jovian ones.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun May 13, 2018 2:47 am

Luminumbra wrote:In the issue “we who are about to die would like to go home” I elected to have criminals thrown into the coliseum.

I mean I know the result got rid of prisons (which I didn’t intend...but that’s the nature of the game I guess) but my authoritarianism went down. Regardless, I’m not sure how throwing all criminals to their deaths and having others watch decreases authoritarianism. It should raise it. Now citizens truly have a reason to fear committing crime.


This belongs in our Unusual Effects Thread.

However, I can tell you, while a rise in authoritarianism is programmed with this option, the effects it ultimately has depends on where you are, and can be partly counterbalanced by the banning of jails, and making prisoner punishment into entertainment (allowing people to profit from prisoner punishment).

In your case, your civil rights are very low, so this option actually increased your civil rights. For most nations, it would increase authoritarianism.
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Postby Luminumbra » Sun May 13, 2018 3:02 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Luminumbra wrote:In the issue “we who are about to die would like to go home” I elected to have criminals thrown into the coliseum.

I mean I know the result got rid of prisons (which I didn’t intend...but that’s the nature of the game I guess) but my authoritarianism went down. Regardless, I’m not sure how throwing all criminals to their deaths and having others watch decreases authoritarianism. It should raise it. Now citizens truly have a reason to fear committing crime.


This belongs in our Unusual Effects Thread.

However, I can tell you, while a rise in authoritarianism is programmed with this option, the effects it ultimately has depends on where you are, and can be partly counterbalanced by the banning of jails, and making prisoner punishment into entertainment (allowing people to profit from prisoner punishment).

In your case, your civil rights are very low, so this option actually increased your civil rights. For most nations, it would increase authoritarianism.


I see, so there was no where to go but up. And the result is relative. Thanks!
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Theme/Aesthetic: Think of Theatre Masks, jewelry and cult-like robes, and make a sci-fi country out of it.
Government: Think democratically elected pope, except it's an unorthodox cult.
People: Traditional, Reserved, Soft-speakers.
Elites: Fine wines, wax candles, hallways of gold, violet, ruby, emerald. Parties inspired by the Greek God Dionysus. A conservative, elegant, mardi gras all day, every day.
Common Folk: A contrast to the above--Dark, medieval style alleys. Small, cold, metallic apartments, prone to collapse on terrestrial worlds, or platforms prone to falling to the depths on jovian ones.

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Postby Lakewood- » Mon May 14, 2018 6:19 am

This looks interesting. Beside, Thereś no way you´ll fix it.
Good luck

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Capitalizt

Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon May 14, 2018 7:41 am

Lakewood- wrote:This looks interesting. Beside, Thereś no way you´ll fix it.
Good luck

You're quite correct. There is no way for Issue Editors or Moderators to 'fix' a player's propensity to post spam such as this. We can but request that you refrain from it in future.

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Corporate Bordello

Postby Goldwater » Mon May 14, 2018 4:07 pm

On Saturday I answered two issues back to back that seemed to conflict with one another. Following the advice of Mod Ransium here I thought I'd pass along the conflict.

First, I think I answered issue #224 which involved deciding whether or not to create a minimum wage. Then the very next issue I came to was issue #30 that had an option to abolish the minimum wage. And before you ask, in the first issue I chose option 3 which did not create an artificial price floor on labor, but issue #30 was already queued before I even answered the issue. So it wasn't that my response from issue #224 made me valid for #30.

I think the last option on #30 should not be valid for the nations for which #224 is valid.

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